Do you have mtDNA results from Family Tree DNA?

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If you have mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) results from Family Tree DNA, then please upload your mtDNA results to mitoYDNA.org and add your mitoYDNA ID to your DNA Tests page in WikiTree.

Doing so will automatically associate your mtDNA information with your direct maternal line and allow you to easily verify that your mtDNA matches the mtDNA of your direct maternal line cousins.

Here are step by step instructions to upload your mtDNA results from Family Tree DNA to mitoYDNA, and add your mitoYDNA ID to WikiTree:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:MtDNA_instructions_for_mitoYDNA

Suggestions are welcome on ways to make those instructions more clear.

Current mitoYDNA statistics (Jun 2, 2019) show there are 302 mtDNA uploads from Family Tree DNA users. https://www.mitoydna.org/Help/statistics

Thank you and most sincerely, Peter

in The Tree House by Peter Roberts G2G6 Pilot (706k points)
edited by Peter Roberts
done, mt and Y
Hello Peter, It worked. I loaded my mtDNA csv file into the DNA section of my page.
done (right)
It would be wonderful to have a systematic and automated method to find living direct maternal-line cousins. I have been searching by the manual method and so far, have not identified any. This is not very efficient.

Correction: I did manage to find a mtDNA cousin on WikiTree but she was a distant cousin and did not reply to my inquiry.
Here are your known direct maternal line cousins in WikiTree (the list is long so it takes a long time to load):

https://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Unknown-232903/890

If you contact the profile managers for those persons born since the 1920's, then they may know of living descendants who should share your mtDNA.
Hello Peter. Many thanks for your suggestion. You are a real treasure at WikiTree.
Added my MtDNA today.
Any plans to support LivingDNA ??
Rob, it requires a FASTA file with results from the entire mtDNA ring of 16,569 bases.  The Living DNA and 23&Me tests only check selected SNP's suitable for determining a haplogroup for you, and cannot provide results for the rest of the ring.  You need a Full Sequence type of test that provides ALL of your mutations.
Hello Rob, Thank you for your explanation. Sounds like you know quite a bit about DNA tests. Have you any idea about the cost of a FASTA file for a full-sequence test? Are they available to the general public?
Rob Jacobson, Thanks. I should have results from Dante Labs soon (6 months and still waiting) so I'll upload that when it's available.
Hello Rob Judd,

I believe a program would need to be written to select your mtDNA from your Dante Labs results and then they would need to be converted to mimic a FTDNA FASTA file.
Yep, I'm aware of that Peter. DNAKitStudio should work. :)
Howdy Marion! (sorry, had to work today)

Almost all of us who have taken a full mtDNA test have taken the Family Tree DNA Full Sequence mtDNA test.  It's not cheap!  But most of us waited for those times during the year when it is significantly discounted.  I think the next sale is in August, but if not, there are always very good sales from Thanksgiving to Christmas.  It's currently $199, but much less than that in the sales.

I should add a disclaimer - mtDNA test results are the least likely to be of any genealogical help, of any DNA type.  It's very possible to find someone who is an exact match to your results, but your common ancestor could be as far back as thousands of years!  It's not impossible though, just not likely.  It can be more useful for negative testing - if someone does not match mtDNA results but your paper trail shows them on the maternal line, then you know there's an error somewhere.  At the same time, I really like mtDNA, find it really fascinating.  I've written an article about my own mtDNA haplogroup K1c2, everything I could find on it, plus introductory material and medical info.

For more on DNA tests, especially mtDNA ones, see my comments here - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:K1c2_mtDNA_Haplogroup#About_Your_mtDNA_Test_and_Haplogroup
Howdy Rob Judd!  I'd like to recommend also uploading your FASTA file to YFull ($25 fee).  You'll be included in their tree (the YFull MTree), and get your most detailed haplogroup possible currently, may even get a new branch opened up with your result, if there's one more kit that's almost identical.
Hello Rob. Thank you for your reply. I think  I'll pass on another test and save some money for a while. You are right. The mtDNA can go back thousands of years.
I stopped at 'Uploading mtDNA results to mitoYDNA.org currently requires the Chrome browser with the mitoYDNA Chrome extension installed.'

Once they fix that I'm happy to play.
Hey Rob Jacobson,

I suspect I'll end up with the same group as you, given that I got K1 from LivingDNA. YFULL is a good plan though.
Howdy Rob!  Living DNA tests a pretty good selection of SNP's, enough to be able to determine a fairly detailed mtDNA haplogroup for most westerners.  For me, they came up with K1c2, which I found rather impressive, since that represented a whole lot more dollars spent at FTDNA, to come up with the same.

The fact that they did not give you anything beyond K1 would imply you are in a less 'popular' branch, one which they did not have SNP's for.  You're going to need YFull's attention to get your true haplogroup.  A caution though - currently, YFull is going through a huge redo of the mtDNA tree, and making changes constantly.  Haplogroups near mine have already been renamed 3 times, and they are clearly not done!  It may be another month or two before it stabilizes, and you can begin to trust the haplogroup they assign you.  (Actually, that's something I should warn everyone about, that has uploaded to YFull!)
Yep. I've joined the I-L38 groups at both FTDNA and Facebook to keep on top of the matter. Now if Dante will get off their butts and provide some results I should have a much better idea. :[

And yes, despite the negative squawkings of Roberta Estes I do find LivingDNA to be great value for the 3-in-1 package, especially for those of us with 100% British ancestry.
Hi Peter,

I did upload my MtDna to mito and entered in Wiki how do I know if a cousin does not match. Is it automatic? Do you get a notification? Most of my cousins are autosomal only.

Best Regards,

Sherry

Hello Sherry,

See the matrilineal descendants of your earliest known direct maternal line ancestor: 

https://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Cherokee-215/890

They should all have matching mtDNA with you.  Here is a video which shows how the mtDNA matching works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCHSFtSMjY8

Hello Rob, thinking about your very interesting and informative post of 21 July, "mtDNA test results are the least likely to be of any genealogical help, of any DNA type." Whereas this is literally true, mtDNA, combined with historical context can help us to understand from circumstantial evidence what our maternal ancestors must have experienced even though we cannot pinpoint them individually with sources that are required for good genealogy.

For example, I can trace my mtDNA back to the Huguenots in Europe in the 17th century, namely Marie Crocheron (Unknown-232903). They were Jews who assumed Huguenot names when required to have names in the "given name-surname" format as opposed to "'given name,' daughter of 'father's name'" format. They were persecuted to the point where one of my maternal ancestors who predates Unknown-232903, told their children that they were Christian. By studying the history that predates Unknown-232903, I can offer a plausible approximation of when this happened. We know that Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492, so with the help of history and some assumptions regarding the time elapsed between successive generation, I surmise that this event of not knowing that they were Jewish could have have occurred during about five generations prior to Unknown-232903 and around the time of 1492. In summary, mtDNA plus history can help us understand the circumstances of our earlier maternal ancestors even though we don't have the genealogical data.
Great thoughts, Marion!  And a well thought out historical trace of your maternal line and their circumstances and struggles.

The one caution I have is that when you go back half a millennium as you have, you have somewhere between 50000 and several hundred thousand lines/ancestors, and the maternal line is only one of those.  Almost seems unfair that so many other lines get so little sympathy.

But then, there's nothing wrong with that, the maternal and paternal lines really *are* special, and do allow for historical 'surmisings'!
Hello Rob, Thank you for your post. I agree with you. Regarding the many other ancestral lines, we genealogists would like to know about all of them. It's just that the mtDNA and YDNA lines are easier to trace due to the science and technology. This is one reason why they get more attention than the others. If and when we improve our auDNA data analysis, we may be able to trace other lines of descent better than we can now.

Moreover, there are reason religious reasons for knowing the maternal and paternal lines. According to Jewish law, if your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish, even if you don't know it. Due to mtDNA technology, many people have learned that they are actually Jewish. If your father is a Cohen, you are a Cohen, the priestly class to whom special laws apply. In Islam, according to Sharia law, if your father is a Muslim, you are a Muslim.

I predict that as more and more people get various DNA tests, we will be able to pinpoint regions of origin using the data-mining technique of clustering. Whereas the DNA data do not change, as the sample size grows, more statistically significant classifications can emerge.

To add on to "....the maternal line is only one of those.  Almost seems unfair that so many other lines get so little sympathy."

When our relatives add their mtDNA and Y-DNA information to WikiTree then our other ancestral lines get their mtDNA and Y-DNA information automatically filled in.

For example my mother's brother's Y-DNA test revealed my maternal grandfather's direct paternal line.  My father's sister's mtDNA test revealed my father's direct maternal line.  My mother's first cousin's Y-DNA test revealed my mother's maternal grandfather's direct paternal line.  In this way I have discovered the Y-DNA of 41 of my ancestors and the mtDNA of 9 of my ancestors in WikiTree.

Unfortunately very few of them are currently in mitoYDNA.org and so I only know their haplogroups and not what their actual Y-DNA or mtDNA looks like.

Well I confess to ignorance on DNA but do not all the other lines fall into Paternal or Maternal? You are related on one side or the other unless both.
Hi Sherry, we probably should have been clearer.  What we mean in this case by the term 'maternal line' or 'paternal line' is those lines that are strictly through mothers only, or strictly through fathers only.  They are sometimes called the motherline (mother, grandmother, great grandmother, great great grandmother, etc) and the fatherline (father, grandfather, great grandfather, great great grandfather, etc).  mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) is only passed down from mothers, so even though their sons receive it, they can't pass it on - only their sisters can.  yDNA involves the Y chromosome, which only males have, so cannot be passed down through mothers.

What makes both these lines so interesting is that they aren't a mix of DNA from both parents, they are only a copy from one parent, and therefore they are unchanged for many generations (except for an occasional mutation).  Because they change so slowly over time, we can dig up a body from thousands of years ago, and figure out if and how you're related to them (only by their yDNA and mtDNA though).
It is fascinating. So females get no MtDna from their fathers fathers but they could get some from their fathers fathers mother? YDna the son could inherit from his mothers father?
Sons and daughters get all their mtDNA from their mother.  Males don’t pass on their mtDNA.

Sons only get their Y-DNA from their father.  Daughters don’t inherit Y-DNA.

Hello Rob, thank you for your excellent explanation. The purely paternal line and maternal lines are so special that they have special names. These names are "agnatic" and "enatic" respectively.

"Cognatic" describes all other lines of descent (mixture of male and females in the descent, such as paternal grandmother.)

The following discussions on Wikipedia may be interesting and informative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_genealogy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrilineality

https://www.yourdictionary.com/cognatic

There is only one strictly paternal line - your father, your grandfather, your grandfather's father, etc. This is the line whereby men inherit their yDNA.

When you generate fan charts, the agnatic line will be the farthest counter clockwise - the edge of the left side, and the enatic line will be the farthest going clockwise on the right side. The cognatic lines will be everything else in the middle, between the two extremes. Hope this helps.

15 Answers

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Done!  Uploaded and connected to WikiTree.
by Michael Stills G2G6 Pilot (528k points)
It's on mom's profile

Ancient migration ancestry of her mtDNA haplogroup: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=J1c3&mt

Cool!
Thank you, Peter, for posting the SNP tracker for the mtDNA migration path of the J1C3. Mine is similar, J1b1b1.

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=J1c3&mt
+9 votes
I've done mine too.  The instructions were very clear, thanks.
by Joe Farler G2G6 Pilot (152k points)
+9 votes
I've done it as well.
by Donna Storz G2G6 Mach 2 (24.8k points)
+9 votes
The instructions were easy to follow.  I added mine and connected to wikitree.
by Caryl Ruckert G2G6 Pilot (206k points)
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I added the number for my kit.  While I was doing that, though, I came across some text on an older Wikitree page that made me pause.  The text reads:   "While it is almost always safe to share HVR1 and HVR2 results, you should not publicly share the results of a full sequence mtDNA test until a qualified consultant has confirmed your results are okay. Full sequence mtDNA test results may reveal medically significant information about you and all your mtDNA cousins."  The page where its found is:  <https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Mitosearch> 

I'm guessing the cautious text was included several years ago, but is it relevant today?  What's changed since?

Thanks.

Jo

by Jo McCaleb G2G6 Mach 3 (39.9k points)
It is still relevant today.  That is why only you can view your coding region results in mitoYDNA.  Your public mitoYDNA mtDNA view shows “Private” to others for your coding region.  Comparisons with others will tell you how many differences you have with them in your coding region, but it does not display the coding region.
Peter, should you not disclose your (and Mags's) intimate relationship with mitoYDNA.org? Conflict of interest and all...

I did get mine checked by a consultant - but there was nothing to report - ie no "private" mutations or any of medical significance. It is a rare sequence apparently : "You are one of the rare cases where your HVR1 matches are very distinctive. "

Edison, I’m an unpaid team member of mitoYDNA.org which is a non-profit. I’m also an unpaid leader at WikiTree.com and an unpaid project admin at familytreedna.com (which are not non-profits).  I’m not in a position to derive benefit from my actions made in my “official capacity” with mitoyDNA.  However I would derive personal satisfaction if mitoYDNA benefited the genetic genealogy community.

Most sincerely, Peter
Just to clarify,  we aren't asking them to state their affiliation every time they mention mitoydna so it is okay to also stop asking them.  Thanks!
Peter: Bless you for your reliable services to all who share these interests!!
Okay, thanks, Peter.  Your answers often prompt me to read twice and learn more.

Jo
+8 votes
After what seemed like an eternity to receive my results, I uploaded my results to WikiTree the same day. It was a very easy process to upload.
by John Stephenson G2G5 (5.8k points)

Please follow these instructions to upload your Y-DNA results to mitoYDNA.org: 

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Space:Instructions_to_Upload_Family_Tree_DNA_Y-DNA_Test_Information_to_mitoYDNA.org&public=1

and these instructions to upload your mtDNA results to mitoYDNA:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:MtDNA_instructions_for_mitoYDNA 

Sincerely, Peter

Thanks,  Peter,  Your notes above may make it clear and therefore easier to respond to your request. I'll make time for it soon.

I think it's pretty strange that I have some trouble learning the new things to do like this one!  So I'm very glad to receive your instructions. Being older has made me much less assertive. Strange, That!

ADDITION:  I'm female and my father's heritage is obscured by his mother's various silences (secrets). So if I gave you my known Y-Dna info (which is brief), would I learn new things about my father's lines??
+7 votes

Hi Peter,

Could not process the file. Kit created, but file not processed.

Is all I am getting.

Your instructions were great.

Steve

by Steve Bartlett G2G6 Mach 7 (78.0k points)
Please describe your problem on the mitoYDNA Facebook group.

Thanks and sincerely, Peter
Still waiting to be accepted on the Facebook page, but tried again today and all went smoothly.

Thanks again
I received the same on my yDNA results then I tried using my BigY results and it was fine.  Maybe it would have been fine trying the first result file a second time.
+8 votes
Have had my mtDNA from FTDNA posted for nearly a year. H102. Work with the genetic genealogy program managers with FTDNA on their blog web. Sadly, while H is very common, very little is known about H102.
by Carol Baldwin G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=H102&mt&walk

I hope you will upload to mitoYDNA.org

Thanks and sincerely,

+6 votes
OK, I think I figured it out and added the information.
by Carolyn Martin G2G6 Pilot (284k points)
+6 votes
Thank you, Peter, for this suggestion. I'll give it my best shot.
by Marion Ceruti G2G6 Pilot (360k points)
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I have installed Google Chrome. I have an account on https://www.mitoydna.org. However, when I go to install the extension, the web site does not recognize that I already have downloaded Google Chrome and asks me to do it again. I have tried to install it multiple times but I am still in an infinite loop. Why won't the extension recognize the existing copy of Google Chrome? I can't get beyond this.
by Marion Ceruti G2G6 Pilot (360k points)
Hello Marion,

Try closing all your programs and then rebooting your computer.  Then launch Google Chrome.  

Sincerely,
Thank you, Peter. That worked.
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Peter, I followed your directions and uploaded my mtydna, I believe I did everything correct and put my MTYDNA # in the appropriate place on my profile. Hope this helps :)
by Doris Leger G2G Crew (520 points)
+6 votes
Done, also added my brother's YDNA, and my paternal aunt's mtDNA.

Hope this helps!!
by Denise Baker G2G2 (3.0k points)
+5 votes
done, I think
by Aurora Chancy G2G6 Mach 2 (28.3k points)
edited by Aurora Chancy
+4 votes
I would like an update on this website. Currently I have new  mtDNA data from FamilyTreeDNA however it is the .fasta file and not apparently compatible with GEDMatch. I can tell you that I have been stressed out with the entire process in not just mine but even just acquiring my grandmother's raw data (permission given) from MyHeritage. So if this site accepts the .fasta file, and nothing else does, it appears that I would be required to use it to get the data to WikiTree, correct?

Now another problem. I despise Google Chrome. I had it. It was a security issue. I removed it from my previous computer and did not choose to add it to my new computer. I utilize the Firefox browser. I didn't know if things changed in the last year and a half but it appears that I may be forced to have to download said browser and extension *just* to get a test up to this website.

Please tell me there have been improvements, or perhaps one is willing to showcase another acceptor of mtDNA (.fasta) files. Perhaps GEDMatch isn't where I send my .fasta file but another third party?
by Steven Greenwood G2G6 Pilot (122k points)
Hi Steven,

This post by Peter is about adding mtDNA to mitoYDNA.org not GEDmatch. GEDmatch does not currently (as far as I know) have the capability to accept mtDNA. Hopefully Peter or someone else can help point you in the right direction.
Hello Steven,

The original posting and instructions are in regard to adding mtDNA results to mitoYDNA.org.  MyHeritageDNA results need to be added to GEDmatch.com.

If you have full sequence mtDNA results then you can do a manual upload to mitoYDNA.org of the rCRS differences (not the RSRS differences).  If you do the automated mtDNA upload to mitoYDNA.org (which does not require full sequence results) then you must use the Chrome browser with the mitoYDNA Chrome extension installed.

Once you have the mitoYDNA ID then it needs to be added to the testee’s DNA Tests page in WikiTree. However if the testee is still living then they must be logged into WikiTree and they must add their mitoYDNA ID.

Peter and all, I'm definitely old now, so your posting immediately above this one is so complex, I don't feel I have the skills. Is there any way to help, e.g., that someone else could do that supposedly small job for me?

Hello Roberta,

I have sent you a request to join the “GFR & WikiTree” DNA project via Family Tree DNA.  That will make it easier for me to help get your mtDNA into mitoYDNA.org.

Sincerely, Peter
Steven, I too was a long time Netscape and Firefox user, and strongly disliked Chrome.  But when Firefox forced me out by requiring only their new style plugins, not most of mine, I looked around, tried a bunch of browsers, and really liked Vivaldi.  It's based on the Chromium engine, so runs almost all Chrome extensions (and runs very well the WikiTree ones), but is very customizable, enough that a Firefox fan like me am very happy with it.  Plus, I can have many more tabs now (over a thousand!), and organize them into tag groups running down the left side, instead of limited to a top bar.

I strongly recommend Vivaldi with uBlock Origin and the WikiTree extensions (plus Roboform and Privacy.com and Chrono Download Manager).

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