Is there an easy way of translating the Quaker dates into regular calendar dates?

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According to the Hinshaw books, Elizabeth Gray was born on the "5th of the 11th month" in 1751. It is my understanding that the Quakers began their new year in March. Would that make her birth January 5th of 1750? I confess that I need a little help with the Quaker dates. Thank you in advance for any help you can give.
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in Genealogy Help by Beth Stephenson G2G6 Mach 6 (68.8k points)
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1751 ran from 25 March to 31 Dec.  March was Month 1, December was Month 10, there was no Month 11.  1752 started Jan 1.

If Hinshaw says 5 11mo 1751, you can't tell if they wrote 5 11mo 1750 (or 1750/1) and Hinshaw has converted it, or if they wrote 5 11mo 1751 by mistake for 1752.

(Of course the month numbers changed at the same time, so Jan became month 1 instead of month 11 from 1752 onwards.  I expect it took people a while to get used to that.)
RJ- As usual, you are brilliant! Thank you for your help. I was thinking the exact same thing. That it had to have been 1750 to be the 11th month and not 1751, because she was born at the time of the change in the Quaker year.

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RJ's answer is, of course, correct, but in case someone reading this needs the broader context, here it goes:  Apologies if I am rehashing something you already know, but there is no "Quaker calendar" per se.  The Quakers changed from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar at the same time as everyone else in the English-speaking world, as explained by RJ above.  What makes Quaker dates especially confusing is that they referred to the months numerically ( 1st month, 2nd month, etc) rather than by their "Pagan" names (January, February, etc.).  Thus, under the Julian Calendar, first month meant March, and twelfth month was February. Thus, the Quaker usage has led to a lot of confusion -- e.g., until 1752, "8th month" was October, not August.  At least, with the "pagan" months, you know August means August, regardless of the year.  Consequently, if you see a Quaker birth date reported as "August 11, 1732" by some secondary sources, and "October 11, 1732" by others, it's a fairly good bet that the October date is the correct one, but you really need to see the primary source to be sure.  January and February (11th and 12th month, old style) need special attention due to the change of year.  To convert 11th or 12th month (i.e., January or February) under the old calendar, you would need to add a year -- i.e., 11th month (January) 1731 under the Julian calendar would be 1st month (January), 1732 under the Gregorian Calendar. Consequently, people will often write "January (or February), 1731-2" just to be sure there is no doubt.  For all the months other than January and February, the year would not need to be changed. It's a helpful practice to specify which calendar you are using for dates before the change-over in 1752.
by Allen McGrew G2G6 Mach 1 (17.4k points)
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Thanks Allen, I (for one) needed the broader context.  It has helped me to a greater understanding.
Glad it was helpful.  I know it had me confused when I first encountered the problem.
Conversions are vital for those monuments giving age at death in years, months, and days, in order to give birth date OS when death is recorded NS.  I forget to bookmark sites which provide a calculator.to perform that directly.

Numbered months appear in VRs for several Puritan towns, and are frequently mis-translated, even in citations from NEHGS.  I suppose the American Quaker system was taken from there.  

To heighten confusion, Orthodox churches adopted a calendar (nearly) matching Gregorian in 1923.  They still vary on setting religious holidays.  All those I looked up celebrate Pascha 4 weeks after our Easter this year.  I've had the privilege of singing in Orthodox choir (5 languages in one service!) as well as several Protestant denominations.
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Here’s an on-line tool. Note that until 1752, March 25th was the first day of the year.

http://aulis.org/Calendar/Old_%26_New_Style_Dates.html

by Tom Rees G2G Crew (700 points)

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