How do you edit a pre-existing profile where you have no idea when the person lived?

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So I was going over some of the profiles I made last year of the Bodkin families of Galway, Ireland and noticed two things:

One, there is this lineage of people where the estimated dates don't make any sense logically.

Two, the webpage that I pulled the lineage from no longer exists, so there's no way to double check what it said.

I unfortunately found out both of these things at the end of the line instead of where I started editing.

I started at the most ancient person who had an estimated birth date, and started entering estimated birth dates for her descendants based on the average gap between generations (about 20 to 30 years). This quickly became a problem.

Before the edits I made today, all of the profiles in between [Athy-25|Susannah Athy, wife of Patrick Bodkin] and her (supposed) descendant, [Bodkin-537|Robert Bodkin, who married Elizabeth Butler], had no birth dates and had death dates that said "died after 1700" or "died after 1680" or something similar, as you can see yourselves by checking the changes sections.

Susannah Athy is said to have been born about 1638. Robert Bodkin, who was supposedly her great great great grandson according to the defunct website, was born in 1680, so when Susannah was about 40 years old.

Robert is said to have been married to Elizabeth Butler on 30 Jul 1716 and died about 1725.

But again, the source I created this with ages ago no longer exists.

I really want to make this right, and have WikiTree be as accurate as possible.

My first thought now is to detach all the parents and children, so that only the married couples are still connected to each other.  What do you all think about doing that?

My second thought is, since I now really have no idea when all these couples were even alive save for a few, how do I edit them?

WikiTree profile: Robert Bodkin
in Genealogy Help by Living Botkin G2G6 Mach 3 (39.8k points)
D., I agree with Julie's suggestions, and I would add that while we realize web pages do disappear, that does not necessarily mean that all the info you found there has disappeared.  Your post leaves me wondering if all the data you found earlier was valid anyway, but it might be possible to retrace at least some of your steps, if that would help.  You don't say how many profiles are involved, but it sounds as if you may have a time consuming task on your hands.  Just take it slowly, a step at a time, and you'll eventually get there.

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I'm sure not everyone will agree with me, but here's what I'd do:

First, I would not do anything as rash as separating all the generations.

Next, instead of starting with the most ancient generation, start with the most recent.  Do everything you can to find sources, and look for duplicates on WikiTree.  Then work backwards.

Some people think estimated birth dates are problematic, but I think they're better than nothing.  Make sure you say they're estimates.

Good luck!
by Living Kelts G2G6 Pilot (551k points)
selected by Pip Sheppard

Add the estimated date template with explanation in the biography

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Estimated_Date

The explanation should be placed under the Research Notes heading: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Research_Notes

I think that is why the template is called a Research Note Box.wink

Thanks for the star, Pip!
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I agree with Julie. The details in your query could be the basis for research notes to be added to the appropriate profile. That way the source of the lineage, and the basis for your estimated dares, will be documented; also it will outline the uncertainties.
by George Fulton G2G6 Pilot (642k points)

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