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Nest ferch Gruffudd (1050)

Nest (Nest I) ferch Gruffudd
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Biography

1050 Birth and Parents

This is the biography of Nest [I] the first Nest, daughter of Gruffydd ap Llewelyn and his first wife Nest Olafsdotter.

Nest [I], according to Wolcott, was born about 1050. [1]

1063 Marriage to Trahaearn ap Caradog

Wolcott cites Dwnn that Gruffudd had a daughter, Nest, who married Trahaearn ap Caradog. [2] This man, in 1075, succeeded Bleddyn ap Cynfyn as king of Powys, and probably also king of Gwynedd. [3] [1] Born c. 1035, Trahaearn had sons Owain and Llywarch (among others) who were born c. 1065/1070. These dates point to c. 1050 as the birthdate of Nest, with the marriage taking place shortly after Gruffudd's death in 1063.

Research Notes

Nest and the Scottish Stewart Legend

In stories of the legendary Banquo and his son Fleance, as recounted in Raphael Holinshead's Chronicles, [4] Fleance—in fear of Macbeth—flees to Wales and marries Nesta verch Gruffydd, daughter of Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, the last native Prince of Wales.

They have a son named Walter who makes his way back to Scotland and is appointed Royal Steward. According to legend, he fathered the Stuart monarchs of England and Scotland. [5]

Gruffydd has a daughter, Nest -- in fact, probably two of them! They are real people, but the rest of this account has no basis in fact. Neither Banquo nor Fleance ever existed, and the Walter of this story was Walter FitzAlan, son of Alan FitzFlaald. Alan began his life in Brittany but was awarded lands by King Henry in Shropshire, adjacent to Wales. Walter grew up in Shropshire and moved on to Scotland to serve the kings there as High Steward of Scotland.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Darrell Wolcott, Ancient Wales Studies. The Consorts and Children of Gruffudd ap Llewelyn Accessed July 8, 2015
  2. Dwnn ii, 107; LB 7. Cited by Darrell Wolcott, Ancient Wales Studies. The Consorts and Children of Gruffudd ap Llewelyn Accessed Jan 6, 2018. jhd
  3. The first cousin of Trahaearn, Cynwrig ap Rhiwallon ap Gwyn, may have originally ruled in Gwynedd after Bleddyn's death in 1075, but was killed later that same year.
  4. Bevington, David. Four Tragedies. Bantam, 1988. ISBN 0-553-21283-4, p.714. Cited by Wikipedia. Fleance Accessed Feb 6, 2018. jhd
  5. Shakespeare, William and Nicholas Brooke. The Tragedy of Macbeth. Oxford Oxfordshire: Oxford University Press, 1998. ISBN 0-19-283417-7, p. 68. Cited by Wikipedia. Fleance Accessed Feb 6, 2018. jhd




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Merges are irrevocable; after a bad merge has been created and one realizes that two different people have become conflated, one has to re-do all the research from scratch to determine which facts go with which person, and then create a new profile for one of them. It is far better -- both from the perspective of good genealogy and the perspective of WikiTree's compuers -- to leave the two profiles as rejected matches until and unless further research shows that they are in fact the same person.
posted by Jack Day
Ferch Gruffudd-22 and Ferch Gruffudd-18 appear to represent the same person because: Clearly the same person
posted by Steve Bartlett
Ferch Gruffudd-22 and Ferch Gruffudd-18 do not represent the same person because: The sources consulted show two daughters named Nest in the same family. The profiles are already distinguished according to (1) and (II) While this is counterintuitive, they should not be merged unless it can be confirmed that all of the information belongs to the same person.
posted by Jack Day
Ferch Gruffudd-22 and Ferch Gruffudd-18 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicate
posted by Stephen Gerwing
Ferch Gruffudd-22 and Ferch Gruffudd-18 do not represent the same person because: The best available sources show the two Nests as different people. They should not be merged without adequate sourcing showing that the current sourcing is wrong.
posted by Jack Day
For some reason it appears Gruffudd named two daughters Nest; they are separate people with different husbands.
posted by Jack Day
Looks like this is the same person as Gruffydd-5 (but mother is different- likely due to arguments about parentage).
posted by C (Gervais) Anonymous

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