Born [date unknown] in England
[uncertain]
Ancestors [uncertain]
Daughter of William Gras
and Unknown (Marshal) Gras
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of
Ralph (Somery) de Somery
— married
before 1194 [location unknown]
Wife of
Maurice (Gaunt) de Gaunt
— married
1221 (to 1230) in Worcestershire, England
Descendants 
Mother of
Joan (Somery) Berkeley and Roger (Somery) de Somery Knt
Died after
in England
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Biography
- Margaret Le Gras, wife of (1) Ralph de Somery and (2) Sir Maurice Gant, is the daughter of ____(Unknown) Marshal and William Le Gras.[1]
- Father William le Gras, Seigneur de Soulangy, Seneschal of Mortain & Normandy[2] d. bt 1210 - 1219
- Margaret le Gras married Sir Ralph de Somery, Baron Dudley, son of Sir John de Someri and Hawise Paganel, before 1194.[1]
- They had 3 sons (Ralph; William Percival; & Sir Roger) & 2 daughters (Joan, wife of Thomas de Berkeley; & Isabel, wife of Sir Alan de Englefield).[3]
- Sir Ralph de Somery died shortly after Michaelmas 1210.[1]
- Margaret (le Gras) Somery married Sir Maurice de Gant, son of Robert FitzRobert and Avice de Gant, before 1220; No issue. [1]
- Sir Maurice de Gant died on the expedition to Poitou in the summer of 1230.[1]
- Margaret le Gras died after 14 June 1247.[1]
- Family 1
- Sir Ralph de Somery, Baron Dudley b. c 1151, d. c 1211
- Children
- Isabel de Somery b. c 1185
- Joane de Somery b. c 1196, d. 22 May 1276
- William Percival de Somery
- Ralph de Somery b. c 1199, d. b 1220
- Sir Roger de Somery b. c 1208, d. c 26 Aug 1273
- Family 2
- Sir Maurice de Gant (no issue)
Research Notes
- She is not the daughter John Fitz Gerald The Marshal and his wife Sybilla Evreux.[1] They are her grandparents.[1]
- Please see the recent G2G question on her parentage.
- In the 2013 Royal Ancestry Vol. IV page 671, Richardson states this persons name was Margaret (or Margery) le Gras, daughter of William le Gras. Her maternal grandfather was John Fitz Gilbert, the Master Marshal.[4]
Sources
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, by Douglas Richardson, Vol IV, page 39-40 and page 671
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 39-40
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 64-65.
- ↑ Royal Ancestry 2013 D. Richardson Vol. IV p. 671-674
- Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), volume IV, page 39 - 40 and volume IV page 671 #2
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http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntac.htm#MargaretCrassusM1RalphSomery
edited by Rod Piper
It may help to read the following linked message board where experts such as Douglas Richardson discuss the primary source documents for the relationships they establish in their books. It is a Google group for a [Society on Medieval Genealogy https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/ZPIUJnysSYo/m/RXmUaVC8uZoJ]. The way I read it, there is no correction needed here, as it confirms the data on our profile. Do you see it differently?
edited by April (Dellinger) Dauenhauer
So yes, the security level is "open" but until the "Project Protection" is temporarily lifted, the parents cannot be changed.
It is something only a designated Leader can lift or add. I should have put the question in the Forum instead of here. Thank you Robin for caring!
We are at a standstill until a Leader removes the PPP from this profile, so that John Fitz Gilbert and Sybilla can be removed as parents and 2) Unknown Marshal and William le Gras can be installed as parents, so that 3) this profile can be re-connected to Ralph Somery as his wife and to Ralph Somery (the son), as his mother.
It all checks out with Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry (of which I own the set) and the Internet database by Mr Marlyn Lewis - who cites Richardson. See link to his site on this profile. See link to G2G question in my Comment below.
Have you read the G2G thread on this family? It explains a lot.
A profile with the correct LNAB and parents is newly created: Margaret Gras.
Please remove the project protection temporarily from this profile, Margaret Marshal-38, and propose a merge of Marshal-38 into Gras-53, to fix the error in the LNAB on this profile.
Please join the discussion on this change in the G2G Forum at Are John Fitzgerald Marshal and Sybilla Evreux the parents of Margaret (Margery) who married Ralph Somery?
The complete family diagram and sources are there.
For some reason it did not format correctly but it is fixed now.
Thank you for your attention to this necessary fix on this profile.