William, son of Freskin,[1][2][3] appears on the Scottish record in the latter half of the 12 Century. His first appearance, as William, son of Freskin was as a witness to a charter granted at Perth by King Malcolm IV. in 1160 to Berowald the Fleming of the lands of Innes, in Morayshire.[4] William must have been of age at this point and was likely born c. 1130.
Between 1166 and 1171 he appears in a charter by King William the Lion, which confirms the lands, named as having been held by Freskin. It seems likely, and has been assumed, that Freskin died shortly before and thus c. 1165.[5][6] Sir William Fraser makes the point that "this charter by King William the Lion must be said to be the foundation charter of the Sutherland family."[7]
He seems to have lived in the vicinity of Elgin as he signs a number of Royal Charters there. The date of his grant to the Lordship of Duffus is not clear but he appears with that title after 1187.[8]
Balfour Paul asserts that "He seems to have survived the year 1204, if he were the William Fresekyn who was Sheriff of Invernaryn in that year".[4] If this is so he must have been of some age for the time and presumably did not live long after.
Married Ada UNKNOWN, daughter of Malise, Seneschal of Strathern. He acquired the lands of Tullibardine, or which his descendants were barons.
Family
The name of his wife is not provided in source. He is known to have had three sons:[4]
Hugh. Hugh will become the major beneficiary of the estates.
William. He is seen, on record, as William, son of William, son of Freskin. He and his brother, Hugh, frequently appear together as witnesses after 1195. He also, about 1200 or later, assumed the surname "de Moravia", and in a charter about that date refers to Hugh as "his lord and brother", which proves the latter's seniority. He became lord of Petty and Bracholy, Boharm and Arteldol, and died before 1226. He is believed to be the ancestor of the Morays of Bothwell.
Andrew. He joined Holy Orders and is described in a writ of date before 1203 as son of William, son of Freskin, and parson of Duffus. He is also described in a later writ by Hugh Freskin as brother to him and William. He is named in 1221, but it is not certain that he was alive at that time.
Research Notes
Notes on sources: There are variations between the major source works noted below. These are discussed in the Profile if applicable. Use Scots Peerage (SP) in preference unless original material is sourced although the two SP volumes themselves have conflicts. The People of Medieval Scotland database provides access to original source material on record.
Sources
↑Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom", Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1905, Vol. II, Archive.org,
p. 122
↑
Atholl, John James Hugh Henry Stewart-Murray, ed., "Chronicles of the Atholl and Tullibardine Families", Edinburgh: private, 1908, Vol. I: p. 1
↑Gordon, Robert, "A Genealogical History of the Earldom of Sutherland, from its Origin to the year 1630 with a Continuation to the Year 1651", Edinburgh: George Ramsay and Co., 1813, Archive.org,
p. 30
↑ 4.04.14.2Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom", Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1911, Vol. VII, Archive.org,
p. 320
↑Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom", Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1911, Vol. VII, Archive.org,
p. 319
↑
People of Medieval Scotland Document 1/6/100 (RRS, ii, no. 116) King William to William son of Freskin; he has given Strathbrock (WLO), Roseisle, Inchkeil, Duffus, and Kintrae (MOR), and 'Machar'
↑Fraser, William, "The Sutherland Book", Edinburgh: private, 1892, Vol. I, Archive.org, The Sutherland book; Sir William Fraser p. 4
↑
People of Medieval Scotland Document 2/8/3 (SEA, i, no. 110) Richard, bishop of Moray, for Kinloss Abbey; has taken them under protection and confirms possessions from various donors.
See also:
Cawley, Charles, 2006-2021: Medlands: "SCOTLAND EARLS". 2021. Fmg.Ac. Moray Family
Debrett’s Complete Peerage of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, 22nd ed., William Courthope, Esq. Editor, J.F. & F. Rivington, London, 1838
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To Scotland Project Managers: Please note that Richard de Moravia was cited in numerous sources as brother to Gilbert Bishop of Caithness , both argued to have been sons of Alexander de Moravia son of Mueredach (Murdoch) and progenitor of the Murrays of Culbin - Culbyn and Aberscross -(Aberscorss etc) . Gilbert has sometimes been queried within various sources as a son of William- son of Freskyn, however his provenance has never been proven. EDITED to indicate that various sources have queried via (?) within text as to whether Gilbert and Richard were sons of William son of Freskin . Sources to be added.
Sources regarding Richard and Gilbert as brothers and their relationship to the Murrays of Culbin / Culbyn can initially be found within the following volumes and sources. Volumes of 'Primary' documentation can be obtained within POMS Database- People of Medieval Scotland, which I can also add here however will be rather cumbersome space wise. URLS might suffice?
SOURCES
Bulloch, John Malcolm (1907). House of Gordon. Aberdeen: New Spalding Club. pp. 6-7. Retrieved 23 January 2023. Morays of Aberscors
Fraser, William (1892). The Sutherland Book. Vol. 3. Edinburgh. pp. 6-8.
Johnston, G. Harvey (George Harvey), 1860-1921 (1910). The Heraldry of the Murrays : with notes on all the males of the family, descriptions of the arms, plates and pedigrees. pp. 104–106. Quoting: Forman's MS, Lyon Office, c. 15
McAndrew, Bruce (2006). Scotland's Historic Heraldry. Woodbridge, UK: The Boydell Press. p. 440.
ibid;
McAndrew, Dr Bruce (2010). "Heraldic investigations anent early Murray genealogy". Heraldic investigations anent early Murray genealogy. Society of Antiquaries of Scotland: 145–164.
Rose, Mr D. Murray. Notes on the family of De Moravia, or Moray, Part 1. Retrieved 11 February 2018.
Ibid;
Rose, Hew; Shaw, Lachlan; Innes, Cosmo (1848). A Genealogical Deduction of the family of Rose of Kilravock. Edinburgh: The Spalding Club. p. 64.
Shaw, Lachlan (1827). The History of the Province of Moray. Moray, Scotland: J. Grant. p. 473
Simpson, William Douglas (1922). "The Cathedrals of Moray and Caithness". A Forgotten Aberdeenshire Monastery. Aberdeen University Press. p. 2.
Scottish Notes and Queries, Volume 2. D. Wyllie and Son, 1901. pp.130-131.
Sutherland, Malcolm (1996). A Fighting Clan, Sutherland Officers: 1250 – 1850. Avon Books. p. 3. ISBN 1-897960-47-6.
OTHER SOURCES
"Early History of Clan Murray (Clann Mhoraidh) in New Scotland (Nova Scotia)". chebucto.ns.ca.
"Norse Invaders". historylinks.org.uk.
Notes and Queries. Oxford University. 1905. p. 242.
"People of Medieval Scotland - Gilbert Murray, Bishop of Caithness (d.1245)". poms.ac.uk. (Many references provided)
"The Genealogy of the Murrays of Culbin". kinnaird.net.
Transactions of the Gaelic Society of Inverness, Volume 25, Gaelic Society of Inverness, 1907.
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If you are posting to the 2023 G2G, those questions are closed. You have to select 'Answer' on the 2024 Open Question.
Looks like you answered on the 2024 Question now. I see 4 posts on there. I checked the Scotland Project Page and the G2G Welcome post link is going to the 2024, not the 2023 post. You will hear from Sheena soon, I am sure.
Oh yes I have hidden those now. However the message on the project page says to answer a question on the G2G but does not explain that members will be required to undertake the Tartan Trail. It is somewhat confusing.
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Sources regarding Richard and Gilbert as brothers and their relationship to the Murrays of Culbin / Culbyn can initially be found within the following volumes and sources. Volumes of 'Primary' documentation can be obtained within POMS Database- People of Medieval Scotland, which I can also add here however will be rather cumbersome space wise. URLS might suffice?
SOURCES Bulloch, John Malcolm (1907). House of Gordon. Aberdeen: New Spalding Club. pp. 6-7. Retrieved 23 January 2023. Morays of Aberscors
Fraser, William (1892). The Sutherland Book. Vol. 3. Edinburgh. pp. 6-8.
Innes, Cosmo (1837). Registrum Episcopatus Moraviensis. Vol. 58. Edinburgh: Bannatyne Club. p. Xxxiii.
Johnston, G. Harvey (George Harvey), 1860-1921 (1910). The Heraldry of the Murrays : with notes on all the males of the family, descriptions of the arms, plates and pedigrees. pp. 104–106. Quoting: Forman's MS, Lyon Office, c. 15
McAndrew, Bruce (2006). Scotland's Historic Heraldry. Woodbridge, UK: The Boydell Press. p. 440.
ibid; McAndrew, Dr Bruce (2010). "Heraldic investigations anent early Murray genealogy". Heraldic investigations anent early Murray genealogy. Society of Antiquaries of Scotland: 145–164.
Rose, Mr D. Murray. Notes on the family of De Moravia, or Moray, Part 1. Retrieved 11 February 2018. Ibid;
Rose, Hew; Shaw, Lachlan; Innes, Cosmo (1848). A Genealogical Deduction of the family of Rose of Kilravock. Edinburgh: The Spalding Club. p. 64.
Shaw, Lachlan (1827). The History of the Province of Moray. Moray, Scotland: J. Grant. p. 473
Simpson, William Douglas (1922). "The Cathedrals of Moray and Caithness". A Forgotten Aberdeenshire Monastery. Aberdeen University Press. p. 2.
Scottish Notes and Queries, Volume 2. D. Wyllie and Son, 1901. pp.130-131.
Sutherland, Malcolm (1996). A Fighting Clan, Sutherland Officers: 1250 – 1850. Avon Books. p. 3. ISBN 1-897960-47-6.
OTHER SOURCES
"Early History of Clan Murray (Clann Mhoraidh) in New Scotland (Nova Scotia)". chebucto.ns.ca.
"Norse Invaders". historylinks.org.uk.
Notes and Queries. Oxford University. 1905. p. 242.
"People of Medieval Scotland - Gilbert Murray, Bishop of Caithness (d.1245)". poms.ac.uk. (Many references provided)
"The Genealogy of the Murrays of Culbin". kinnaird.net.
Transactions of the Gaelic Society of Inverness, Volume 25, Gaelic Society of Inverness, 1907.
edited by Alexandrina Murray
I have added some sources above and can also add the POMS Database URL links to save space. The Profiles under discussion can be listed in this comment once I edit and include URL's of those concerned , along with any potential amendments.
I have messaged there. Still waiting . Posted on the 2023 Post in December but no replies. Was forwarded the new link yesterday.
edited by Alexandrina Murray
Looks like you answered on the 2024 Question now. I see 4 posts on there. I checked the Scotland Project Page and the G2G Welcome post link is going to the 2024, not the 2023 post. You will hear from Sheena soon, I am sure.
↑ Balfour Paul: Vol. 2, pp 120-130