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Angharad ferch Dafydd (abt. 1415 - abt. 1446)

Angharad ferch Dafydd [uncertain]
Born about in Kefn Melgoed, Cardiganshire, Walesmap
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Daughter of and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died about at about age 31 in Burton, Denbighshire, Walesmap
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Profile last modified | Created 9 Jun 2017
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The Birth and Death Dates are a rough estimate. See the text for details.

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Biography

Angharad ferch Dafydd ap Llywelyn married Robert ap Maredudd.[1] Their son, Evan Wynne, was born in 1435.

Since she was the daughter of Dafydd ap Llywelyn, her correct LNAB should be ferch Dafydd, not Dafydd, in accordance with Wikitree Welsh Naming Protocol

Estimated Dates: The profile's previous birth/death dates (1410/1416) could not be correct for wife of Robert ap Maredudd (b c1378 or, on Wynne-71, 1405-1490). Changed death to "about 1446" (attached profile for son Evan has birth in 1435; duplicated profile for Ieuan ap Robert has birth about 1444; 1416 may have been a mis-reading of or a typo for 1446).
Merged profile (ferch Dafydd ap Llywelyn) had birth year of c1378 (perhaps based on the birth year estimate given in her husband's profile). Birth year of 1410 (from ferch Dafydd-14) initially retained in merge. In Wales at that time, it would be more likely that the wife was younger (frequently much younger) than her husband, and highly unlikely that a woman would have a child in her 50s. See "Generational Gaps and the Welsh Laws," by Darrell Wolcott for details.
Birth year changed to c1415, given in Darrell Wolcott's article, "The Muddled Pedigree of Sir John Wynn of Gwydir."

Name

Name: Angharad Verch /Dafydd/[2]

Note

Removed Ieuan ap Adda Howell (b. 1437) as son of Robert Meredydd and Angharad verch Dafydd - naming didn't match.

Also removed Ieuan ap Adda Howell as father of Ieuan ap Adda (b. 1344) amb 09:26, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

Llywelyn-8 renamed 9 June 2017 in accordance with guidelines of the Cymru project (see this page).


Sources

  1. ferch means daughter of, "ap" means son of, and "gwraig" means wife of (see Cymru Project Naming Guidance)
  2. Source: #S-2050775427 Page: Ancestry Family Trees Data: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=13232476&pid=25808749
  • Robert ap Maredudd, "The Peerage" (website, compiled by Darryl Lundy, Ngaio, Wellington, New Zealand; accessed June 10, 2017), citing Charles Mosley, ed., Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes. Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003.
  • Ancestry Family Trees (Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members)1, 2, source citations for Llywelyn-8 created through the import of Dickinson Family Tree.ged on 31 March 2011 & Dafydd-31 created through the import of Stough Family Tree.ged on Nov 2, 2011 by Lindsay Coleman.
  • Source: S-2050775427 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Name: Name: Name: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.;;;; Note: Ancestry Family Trees (Name: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.;;), Ancestry Family Trees (Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.), _APID: 1030::0 CONT This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. CONT .

Acknowledgements

  • Steve Parsons (created a profile for this person).
  • WikiTree profile Dafydd-25 created through the import of 2010-09-14.ged on Jul 28, 2011 by Bob Carson. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Bob and others.
  • This person was created on 08 April 2011 through the import of Grant R. Phillips, Jr..ged.







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Hi Bob

As per Darlene!s earlier note, Angharad Dafydd and Angharad ferch Dafydd are married to the same person, but Angharad ferch Dafydd conforms to Wikitree Welsh Naming Protocol. To tidy up the family tree of Sir John Wynn, it would be helpful if you are prepared to consider changing the LNAB of Angharad Dafydd to ferch Dafydd so that the 2 Angharads can be merged, yours into the other Regards Steve Ringer (Ringer-92)

posted by [Living Ringer]
If I'm understanding Wolcott's article correctly, the Robert ap Maredudd who married Angharad ferch Dafydd (b c1415), was the son of Maredudd ap Ieuan; the Maredudd who married Morfydd ferch Ieuan Goch was Maredudd ap Hywel (see Darrell Wolcott's article, "The Muddled Pedigree of Sir John Wynn of Gwydir").
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Ferch Dafydd-14 and Dafydd-11 appear to represent the same person because: they married the same person. Pretty sure they're intended to be the same person, but need to figure out her estimated DOB.
Verch Dafydd-8 and Ferch Dafydd-14 appear to represent the same person because: Llywelyn-8 was adoptable, so I corrected its LNAB. These can merge now (into ferch_Dafydd-14). Thanks!
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Ferch Dafydd-14 and Ferch Dafydd ap Llywelyn-1 appear to represent the same person because: Llywelyn-8 was adoptable, so I corrected its LNAB. These can merge now (into ferch_Dafydd-14). Thanks!

P.S. I think 1410 is the more plausible birth year for the time & place, even though her husband was born c1378.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Ferch Dafydd ap Llywelyn-1 and Llywelyn-8 are not ready to be merged because: Llywelyn-8 is wrong LNAB for her. she should be ferch Dafydd by Cymru project guidelines: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Name_Fields_Welsh_Aristocrats
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
set in unmerged match with verch Dafydd-8 - it should be "ferch Dafydd" (and should only have one name, not string, in LNAB, so this LNAB is wrong also)
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
as posted elsewhere, "verch" is wrong. should be "ferch Dafydd" ... set in unmerged match with Ferch_Dafydd_ap_Llywelyn-1 (should only have one name, not string, in LNAB)
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Llywelyn-8 and Ferch Dafydd ap Llywelyn-1 appear to represent the same person because: Same father, same husband, same son. Dates are junk. True dates are unknown.
posted by [Living Horace]

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