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Lleucu, granddaughter of William de Braose III, was daughter of Maud (de Braose) and Gruffudd ap Rhys, Prince of South Wales.[1]
Many online trees show Lleucu's parents as William de Braose III and his wife Matilda de Saint Valery (and her birth about 1181, Bramber, Sussex),[2] but a careful reading of Cawley's entries for the family and the latest information from Richardson (in his 2013 Royal Ancestry series) are clear: William de Braose is her grandfather. Cawley says her parents are unknown, but Richardson presents evidence that Leucu is the daughter of William's daughter Maud who married Gruffudd ap Rhys.[3]
Leuca's husband was Geoffrey de Camville of Llanstephan Castle, Carmarthenshire,[4] son of William de Camville and his wife Albreda Marmion.[5] Geoffrey, married "firstly (divorced on grounds of consanguinity) FELICE, daughter of PHILIP de Worcester", had a son Richard by her.[6]
Leuca, Geoffrey's second wife, granddaughter of William de Brewes (or Brause) and Maud de Saint Valery, was the mother of William de Camville.[4]
Lleucu's husband died in 1219,[4] before 20 September:[6]
On 6 October, 1219, at Staffordshire and Warwickshire, the King [Henry III] sent word to the Justices that Albreda Marmium attorned before him John Ruffus versus Leuca de Canvill, in a plea of dower, and Walter de Arderne versus Walter (sic) de Canvill, in a plea of warranty of Charter.[7]
Lleucu died in 1239.[6]
Richardson notes that William (IV) and his wife, Maud de Clare, are often assigned a daughter, Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville (died 1219), of Llanstephan Castle, Carmarthenshire. This affliation is made due to the fact that Lleucu de Camville is known to have been a granddaughter of William de Brewes IV's father, William de Brewes III, who granted her property in Ireland in marriage (see Shirley Royal & Other Hist. Letters Ill. of the Reign of Henry III 1 (1862): 6061 [letter discussing lands in Ireland claimed by Lleucu as her maritagium]). [8]
Recent research, however, has located evidence which indicates Lleuca was the daughter of Gruffydd ap Rhys (died 1201), Prince of South Wales, by his wife, Maud (died 1210), daughter of William de Brewes III (see Jones Brut y Tywysogyon (Board of Celtic Studies 6) (1941): 154; Dict. of Welsh Biog.(1959): 318319 (biog. of Gruffydd ap Rhys); Bartrum Welsh Gens. 3001400 (1980) [Rhys ap Tewdwr 6]).
As the daughter of Maud, who was the sister of William (IV), Lleuca was the niece of William (IV).
"Note: William and his wife, Maud de Clare, are often assigned a daughter, Lleucu, wife of Geoffrey de Camville (died 1219), of Llanstephan Castle, Carmarthenshire. This affliation is made due to the fact that Lleucu de Camville is known to have been a granddaughter of William de Brewes IV's father, William de Brewes III, who granted her property in Ireland in marriage (see Shirley Royal & Other Hist. Letters Ill. of the Reign of Henry III 1 (1862): 6061 [letter discussing lands in Ireland claimed by Lleucu as her maritagium]).
William de Brewes III and his wife, Maud de Saint Valéry, had a large family of children, many of whom married and raised families; Lleucu de Camville could conceivably be the child of any one of these couples.
Recent research has located evidence which indicates Lleuca was the daughter of Gruffydd ap Rhys (died 1201), Prince of South Wales, by his wife, Maud (died 1210), daughter of William de Brewes III (see Jones Brut y Tywysogyon (Board of Celtic Studies 6) (1941): 154; Dict. of Welsh Biog.(1959): 318319 (biog. of Gruffydd ap Rhys); Bartrum Welsh Gens. 3001400 (1980) [Rhys ap Tewdwr 6]).
Specifically, in the period, 1293/1308, Lleucus grandson, Geoffrey de Camville, 1st Lord Camville, and his son, William, wrote the King and Council regarding the lands in Cardigan of Owain ap Gruffydd, whose heirs they were (see Rees Cal. of Ancient Petitions Rel. Wales (Board of Celtic Studies, Hist. & Law Ser. 28) (1975): 150151). Owain ap Gruffydd of Cardiganshire was the eldest son of Gruffydd ap Rhys and Maud de Brewes (see Dict. of Welsh Biog.(1959): 689690 (biog. of Owain ap Gruffydd).
At the date of the Camville letter, the lands of Owain ap Gruffydd had been permanently forfeited by his male heirs for rebellion against King Edward I of England. He was implicated in his father's rebellion. By the order of King John, he was starved to death with his mother in the dungeons of Windsor Castle in 1210. His wife, Maud, escaped when her husband was captured." [9]
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Please merge.
Thanks!
for info from Richardson's Royal Ancestry, see Camville-10
researching information about Maud, wife of Gruffudd ap Rhys, it seems that they are the parents of Leuca (according to Richardson's analysis). Cawley says her parents are not known but lists her as a granddaughter of Matilda & William III (not daughter).
So... If no objection, I'll move her over to Maud & Gruffudd ap Rhys.