Agnes (Grandison) Bardolf
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Agnes (Grandison) Bardolf (abt. 1283 - 1357)

Agnes Bardolf formerly Grandison aka de Grandison
Born about in Harpenden, Hertfordshire, Englandmap
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Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died at about age 74 in Ruskington, Lincolnshire, Englandmap
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Biography

Agnes was born in 1285. Agnes De Grandison ... She passed away in 1357. [1]

Father Sir William de Grandison, 1st Lord Grandison[2] b. bt 1255 - 1264, d. 17 Jun 1335

Agnes de Grandison was born circa 1283; Daughter of her father's 1st (name unknown) marriage. [3]

She married Sir Thomas Bardolf, 2nd Lord Bardolf, son of Sir Hugh Bardolf, 1st Lord Bardolph and Isabel d' Aguillon, circa 1310; They had 1 son (Sir John, 3rd Lord Bardolf).[4]

Agnes de Grandison died on 11 December 1357 at Ruskington, Lincolnshire, England.[5]


Family

  • Sir Thomas Bardolf, 2nd Lord Bardolf b. 4 Oct 1282, d. 15 Dec 1328

Children [6]

  • Margaret Bardolph
  • Cecily Bardolf d. 23 Nov 1386 or 25 Nov 1386
  • Sir Thomas Bardolf b. c 1313
  • Sir John Bardolf, 3rd Lord Bardolph b. 13 Jan 1314, d. 29 Jul 1363

Research notes

There is a discussion regarding the wife of Thomas, Lord Bardolf in Complete Peerage. Coming to no very firm conclusion it discusses the possibility that she was the 7th daughter of Thomas Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick. The other possibility noted was that she could have been daughter of William de Grandison and Blanche of Savoy. [7]

However it seems that William's first wife was Jeanette de Gruyere. [8]Agnes daughter of William by his second wife, Sybil de Tregoz had a life of her own. Blanche of Savoy was probably wife of Pierre de Grandison. [9]

There is a strong possibility that this profile is intended to be the same person as wife of Thomas Bardolf or unknown Bardolf, Agnes Beauchamp.

Sources

  1. Entered by Timothy Griffen Makahilahila Kamehameha, Sunday, December 15, 2013.
  2. Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 179.
  3. The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. I, p. 418
  4. Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 102.
  5. Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 252
  6. Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 517.
  7. The Complete Peerage of England ........Page 418: Bardolf
  8. Project Medlands English Nobility: Grandson
  9. French Wikipedia: Famille de Grandson

Acknowledgments

Thank you to Timothy Griffen Makahilahila Kamehameha for Grandison-38 creating De Grandison-38 on 15 Dec 13. Click the Changes tab for the details on contributions by Timothy and others.






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From <http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/14/33435.htm>:

He [Thomas Bardolf] married Agnes, perhaps daughter of William DE GRANDSON, SEIGNEUR DE GRANDSON, on the Lake of Neuchatel in Switzerland, by Blanche, daughter of Louis DE SAVOIR, BARON DE VAUD. He died 15 December 1328, and was buried at Shelford Priory, Notts, aged 46. His widow, who had a protection, August 1337, as being "by birth of the parts of Almain," died 11 December 1357, at Ruskington, co. Lincoln. [Complete Peerage I:418, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: In note (d) CP I:418, in explaining that Agnes was NOT the seventh daughter of Thomas Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, states that Agnes de Grandison married again, but did not say to whom. William de Grandison by his 2nd wife, Sibyl de Tregoz, had a daughter also named Agnes who married Roger de Northwode, but she was obviously a different person, with a different date of death (4 Dec 1348). I believe this Agnes was born in "Almain" (ie. Switzerland?), while the other Agnes was born in England.

Note: In CP XIV:64 (XIV is the volume of corrections), there is a remark that it is doubtful that Agnes was daughter of William de Grandson by Blanche de Savoir. Whether this means that she was probably not daughter of William or her mother wasn't Blanche, is not clear.


posted 8 Mar 2011 by Katherine (Alvis) Patterson
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According to FMG there's a source that says Agnes was the daughter of William Grandison & his 1st wife Jeanette Gruyere.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gruy%C3%A8re-1

It does sound as though William was married 2 times-

https://fmg.ac/publications/journal/vol-10/591-fnd-10-08

From Papal Register

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-papal-registers/brit-ie/vol2/pp1-15

'To the wife of William de Grandison. Indult for five years to visit three times a year the Cistercian monasteries of Dora and Flayleye, in the diocese of Hereford, founded by her ancestors, accompanied by six women, and there to cause divine service to be celebrated for the souls of the elder sons of her said husband, and all the faithful departed.' THIS IS REFERING TO HIS 2ND WIFE SYBIL TREGOZ & IT MENTIONS THE ELDER SONS OF HER HUSBAND & NOT THEIR SONS.

'David Williams traced the citation to an undated mid-18th century manuscript genealogy, which he consulted in the Burgerbibliothek in Bern. He notes the absence of any source reference for the marriage in the document, but highlights Wattenwyl’s use of primary source material and concludes that “there is no obvious reason to believe that Wattenwyl fabricated the marriage, and very probably he used otherwise unknown charter evidence or an earlier genealogy as his source”. If this marriage is correct, it must have taken place after Mar 1267 when Jeannette is named with her parents and siblings: "Petrus miles filius…Rodulfi comitis de Gruyeria" donated property to the abbey of Hauterive, with the consent of "domine Ambrosie uxoris nostre et Petri filii nostri et Willermete uxoris eiusdem Petri necnon filiarum nostrarum Ioannete, Perrete et Columbe", by charter dated Mar 1267. The possibility of this Grandson/Gruyère marriage seems good, especially as Jeannette’s older brother was already married to Guillaume’s sister'.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3D-K.htm#GuillaumeGrandsondied1335B

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvaud.htm#JeannetteGruyereMGuillaumeGrandson

Jeannette's brother Pierre was married to William Grandison's sister Guillemette who is sounds reasonable to me.

posted by Nancy Yeager
This Agnes married to Thomas Bardolf WASN'T the daughter of William Grandison & Sybil Tregoz.

See the below Wilthshire post mortem links-1 on PG. 110-year 1335-states Agnes who was the wife of John de Northwode daughter of the aforesaid William & Sybil held the Manor of Lydiard Tregoze, etc-

https://archive.org/details/abstractsofwilts48grea/page/110/mode/2up

1 post mortem on PG. 188-year 1348-states Agnes who was the wife of John de Northwode held the manor of Lydiard Tregoze, etc & she died in 1348.

https://archive.org/details/abstractsofwilts48grea/page/188/mode/2up

The history of the Manor of Lydiard Tregoze- Sybil de Grandison died in 1334 and William in 1335. William's heir was his son, Peter, but in 1331, William and Sybil had leased Lydiard to their daughter, Agnes, widow of John de Northwood, for her life.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol9/pp75-90

posted by Nancy Yeager
Beauchamp-237 and Grandison-19 do not represent the same person because: In process of changing Beauchamp-237 back into Anne de Beauchamp who did exist (with notes that she may be named Agnes).
posted by John Atkinson
Beauchamp-237 and Grandison-19 appear to represent the same person because: reviewing the source cited to support Agnes as a daughter of Thomas de Beauchamp led me to disconnect her from him & his wife. The footnote in the source, paraphrased in both of these profiles' research notes, continues (as quoted in the added "Disconnected" paragraph in Beauchamp-237's profile - which should not have the birth year it has, which is based on the presumption that she was the 7th daughter of Beauchamp-74). Please merge away Beaucham-237 into Grandison-19, as is suggested as being likely in the research notes of both profiles. Thanks!
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Grandison-19 and Grandison-49 appear to represent the same person because: Same dates and places of death, birthdate is close. Same spouse. Grandison-19 is the lowest profile number, but Grandison-49 is PPP. Y'all can sort that out.
posted by Robin Kabrich

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