John Spencer Black (abt. 1785 - abt. 1865)

Born about 1785 in North Carolina, United States [uncertain]

Husband of Hanness (Unknown) Black — married 1805 in Virginia

Descendants

Died about 1 Aug 1865 at about age 80 in United States [uncertain]

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This profile needs extensive research. The two most cited 1850 census contain conflicting residential, age, and spousal information.

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Ronald James Black: I am the great great grandson of this John Black. The Cherokee descent was not along the Black paternal lineage. YDNA testing, that is the DNA that is passed only from father to son, has proved direct descent from Scottish ancestry going all the way back to the 1400's. - Ronald James Black [R-A7804; YDNA111 & the Big Y; FTDNA Kit #B76809; ytree.net B76809; ysearch.org SBAAE] 3 years ago (copied from Ancestry profile tag 1/3/20)

SURN Black GIVN Spencer _UID 10208581D51C3341B1AC76CB96189987077A mixed blood Cherokee and Whatever else is in the Pennsylvania Black Dutch. Source of Name, DOB, and ethnic heritage: Bible of Jasper Marion Black held by Pauline (Polly) Scanlon. Robert Black's father was of mixed blood (reportedly Pennsylvania Black Dutch, an admixture of Anglo-Saxon Frontiersmen, Cherokee Indian, Afro-America and Portuguese blood lines who populated the Appalachian Mountain areas of western PA and VA, and east TN and KY in the 1700's and 1800's). His mother was a full-blood Cherokee Indian. Robert and Susanna moved from Grainger Co., TN to Clark Co., IL, then to Jasper Co., IL, and then to Reynolds Co., MO, per the 1850 US Census. Robert and his family came to Reynolds Co., MO with his brother George Black. Later, Robert and Susannah moved to Newton Co., MO and bought a farm near Corsicanna. DATE 22 Jul 2005 TIME 17:59:46 ^[1]

215A 40 Black Hanner 58 Missouri pg0206b.txt 234B 16 Black Mary 19 Illinois pg0228b.txt 241B 40 Black Nancy 28 Kentucky pg0239b.txt 234B 15 Black Saml 21 Tennessee pg0228b.txt 234B 17 Black Sarah 2 Missouri pg0228b.txt 241B 42 Black Sarah J E 1 Missouri pg0239b.txt 241B 39 Black Solomon 28 Missouri pg0239b.txt 215A 39 Black Spencer 58 Tennessee pg0206b.txt

Message Board: Genealogy research on "Spencer Black" aka Hunting Bear Black

John Black's father was Spencer Black b. 1785/TN, d.1855/Iron Co, Mo. Married Hannorah Hannes (don't know if surname is correct) 1805/TN. Hannorah b. 1785/TN, D. 1850/MO. Their children were-----Our John, Alfred, b. 1806/TN, Rebecca, b.1808/TN, Rhedmond H, b. 1810/TN, Robert, b. 1817/VA, Mary Pollyanna, b. 1819/VA, James Samuel, b. 1822/TN & Sarah Lova, b. 1824/TN. I've no further info on these children nor parents to Spencer

Gertrude A. Black (1887-1982), her father was James A. Black (1856-1939), his father was John Black (1825-1856), and whose father was Spencer Black (1785-1854), his father was Hunting Bear (Cherokee) (1760).

John (purported son of Spencer) and Tabitha. I too am looking for documentation of John's parents, and have seen the postings on the board for Spencer and Hannes. Polly Scanlon had a post on 28 Apr 2006 referencing the Earles, Black and Glidewell lines, and the apparent entry of Spencer and Hannes into the families. Have tried to reach Scanlon without success looking for the sources of her info. I had hoped that probate records in Sullivan County involving John's death would help. Juanita Hall of Sullivan County sent me some well-documented info on John and Tabitha's descendants, but had nothing on ancestors.

Spencer Black. Albert Griffith Black was the oldest son of Spencer Black. Spencer came to Sevier Co. TN ln the late 1700's Perhaps he was born there. His parents were apparently Indian as was his wife. I think they may have lived on English Mountain. I do have him located in Sevier Co. in that same time frame. His son Griffith was mentioned as working for Jacob Byrd surveying land and he married Clarissa Alice Byrd (who was related in some way to Jacob Byrd.) Spencer and his wife died in Madison County, MO. and are listed in the 1850 census. They had spent several years traveling from east TN as a group. Spencer was listed as a mulatto and his wife, Hanness, was listed as a black man. Obviously a mistake. I have read that it was not unusual for Indians to be labeled Mulattos. I have seen pictures of Albert Griffith Black and he doesn't look particularly Indian although he must have been. Griffith settled the Town of Black in Reynolds, MO and was the first postmaster. He and his brother Sam and their families moved to South Fork in southern Mo. I think Sam was a postmaster there. Most of Griffith's children were born in Alabama. Griffith stayed in the area and is buried in the Mount Pleasant cemetery at Moody. Some of his siblings moved to Arkansas, South Western Missouri and on to Oklahoma. Griffith's son, Francis Marion Black was my husband's great grandfather. He married the widow of Anthony Cocke, who was also at least part Indian. They raised a family and after his wife's death he remarried and moved to the Chickasaw Nation reservation near Paul's Valley, OK, with some of his sons.

John Black/1825 TN, d. 1856/Sullivan Co, MO, m. 1842/Clark Co, Illinois, Tabitha Earls/1827/KY, d. 1916/Sullivan Co, MO, 2nd marriage: 1858/Sullivan Co, MO to Lewis Glidewell. I'm searching for parents to John Black. Think father may have been from Virginia(?). Anyone have John & Tabitha Earls Black in their genealogy

Gertrude A. Black (1887-1982), her father was James A. Black (1856-1939), his father was John Black (1825-1856), and whose father was Spencer Black (1785-1854), his father was Hunting Bear (Cherokee) (1760). I don't have any further information on Spencer's parents other than what is in my tree. What information do you guys have about the black line? I am stuck at Hunting Bear.

Hunting Bear and native American indian wife (name UNK) you may find interesting. Good luck in your search. I am tracing the lineage of ELIZABETH BLACK (1770 Wythe Co VA to May 10, 1841 Johnson Co INDIANA and wed my GGGGgrand father Joseph A. Smith (May 17, 1765 at sea to May 6, 1847 Johnson Co IND) on Dec 19, 1793 in Prince Edward Co VIRGINIA. Elizabeth had 4 brothers (Thomas born 1772; Gavin 1774; John 1776; and Joseph Jr 1778; and 1 sister Nancy born 1780 - all in Fredrick Co Virginia. Their father was Joseph Black (Feb 22, 1746 or 1747 UNK location and died March 25, 1825 in Blount Co TENN. and buried Eusebia Cemetery. The mother may have been Jane Vance or Martha Jane Golding or just Jane UNK - several versions in my family on who the mother was but have no dates of birth, death. Joseph Black and "wife" did marry in 1769 Wythe Co Virginia

You may find that info. at the History center in Tahlequah, OK. That is where most of the Indian's settled from the Trail of Tear's. My brother, David Black lives there and has given me a lot of info. You will need to change your pattern of search because they logged most of the tribe through the mother's. Women were traded back and forth like the horse's. Children were named Yellow eyes son of Running wolf under there mother Young Fawn. Several of the Black family member's settle in Black, Missouri. There is a cemetery there with several of our relatives in the middle of a wheat field. It get's weirder after that.

Did you know that Hanna or Hannorah was a black slave? She is listed in the archives.

I’m aware that Hanna's of African lineage and Spencer's mixed African lineage, apparently with Cherokee, based on the 1850 census for Madison Co., Mo., showing Spencer as M for mulatto and Hannes as 'B' for black. They are listed almost at the bottom of the page, and all other entries above them for that page have no reference to race, implying that those entries were white. The two entries below Spencer & Hanna (a ‘Bill Moore’ & a ‘Bill Dillon’) are also identified as ‘B’ for Black. The combination of the blank entries above and the initiation of race entries beginning with Spencer give credibility to the accuracy of the entries, albeit circumstantial. So the racial makeup of Spencer and Hanna has reasonable documentation from the 1850 Madison Co census. But – if Spencer was a combination of Cherokee/Black/White and Hannes was Black, how did we get to their son John being listed as non-black or non-mulatto in the 1850 census for Reynolds Co., Mo.? All of the household members have no racial notation (we know Tabitha was white, but John would have been approximately 50% or more, depending upon the intermixing degree for both Spencer & Hannes. It’s not impossible, it could be the census taker was ignoring racial notations (there were no racial entries at all on the page), they could have been light-skinned and with Caucasian features, on and on. But it is a major inconsistency. We’re within 10 years or so of the start of the Civil War, and Missourians had strong feelings for both sides. I would think racial identities were significant in 1850 in MO. Plus, it is alleged (yet to be confirmed) that John was killed (murdered?) ~ 1853 based on hostilities between northern and southern sympathizers. His death probably had a lot to do with his son Perry signing up for the Union Army under-aged and needing his step-father, as guardian, to sign for him. Finally, Jerry Cranford, in a FamilySearch™ Pedigree Resource File (submission search # 1910116-1101103212755) has listed Tabitha Earles husband, John, as having a father by the name of William Riley Black, not a Spencer Black. I’ve yet to find documentation supporting this position either. So..

A lot to think about and check on...William Riley Black was married to Sarah Jane Foster. His father was Rev. Samuel Black son of John Spencer Black "Running Bear". Mary Pollyanna Black, daughter of William Riley Black was my great-great-great grandmother.

Redmond Black was a light skinned man of Scotch Irish heritage. He said his ancestors came from around Nashville, TN. His father William Monroe Black married Cynthia Chitwood in Reynolds Co., MO. William's father another Redman/ Rhedmond Black came into Reynolds County, MO as a young man in early 1800s. We figure he was born about 1810 as he died under 40 years of age. He married Sara Carty and had the three children: 2 girls, Elizabeth (married a Wadlow) and Charlotte (married a Scott) and the one boy, Wm. Monroe. There were a lot of Blacks in that area but we were never able to connect them. A lot of folks have him on the Spencer Black tree which to my knowledge has never been proven.

Sources

1. ↑ "Partner Trees: MyTrees.com," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3BVQ-HVF : accessed 9 December 2020), entry for Spencer Black; file (2:2:2:MMXQ-QMZ), submitted 17 December 2019.

• "United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-632Q-HY2?cc=1401638&wc=95RX-FM4%3A1031312801%2C1032484801%2C1032484802 : 9 April 2016), Missouri > Hickory > Hickory county > image 38 of 52; citing NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

• "United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DBLS-29H?cc=1401638&wc=95RQ-HZS%3A1031312801%2C1031549001%2C1031549002 : 9 April 2016), Missouri > Madison > Madison county > image 40 of 128; citing NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).