Frederick
J
Smith
Born about [location unknown]
Son of Robert Smith
and Isabella (Ramsay) Smith
Brother of
Maud J. Smith
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died
at about age 24
in Fleuve St-Laurent, Québec
Profile last modified
| Created 21 Feb 2015
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Biographie
Ce profil est un passager de l'Empress of Ireland le 29 mai 1914.
Biography
This profile is a passerger of the Empress of Ireland on May 29, 1914.
Source
- Empress of Ireland 3rd class passengers List, Compiled by Geoffrey E Whitfield and Chris Stringer, http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/visit/floor-plan/line
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Categories: Empress of Ireland | 3rd Class Passengers on Empress of Ireland
However, the parents are different. The family story is that an aunt/uncle and niece were travelling together, rather than a family unit. Based on that, I'm not sure that Frederick Smith and Isabella (Ramsay) Smith were married. In fact I'm not sure who Isabella Ramsay is to Frederick Smith. Would love to know why we think Maud and Frederick are brother and sister (she does have a brother Frederick Charles Wakefield Smith, so perhaps that's him?)
I will keep digging, just wanted to reach out and see if we have a potential match here. If so I have plenty of bio details I'm happy to add.
edited by Jennifer (Tench) Green
the passenger lists were compiled from the passenger manifests by some people in England, so they had to go by what was on there. http://www.empress2014.ca/listepsc3.html is what is still available online directly for 3rd class passengers. Names the original compilers at the bottom, who were working with UK Maritime Museum.
Looking at it, I don't know either where the way this family is grouped comes from, the list only names 3 Smith in 3rd class, Frederick J., miss Maud J., and Mrs Isabella Ramsay Smith. In second class there's a Mrs Lewis Smith, not likely to be related, none in 1st class.
Do please keep digging, we need all the help we can get on this commemoration.
Danielle
What does it mean when you note that the plot where Maud was buried was owned by Est. Frederick George Smith? Estate? Indicating he was already deceased? Determination of his death date moves up the priority list if so.
I wondered if Est. means Estate, I haven't been able to confirm. I do know it was her brother, not her father, who arranged the burial - and the plot was already owned by her father, no additional plot was purchased by him at the time of death. All circumstantial, but pointing to him potentially having died at the same time, or prior.