DNA - GRIFFIN paternal line confirmed ancestors

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Surnames/tags: Griffin Ellard Brotherton

This page seeks to identify the ancestors of Veronica Williams, on her fathers maternal side via the GRIFFIN line, which have been confirmed by DNA. To see the family tree of her grandmother Thelma GRIFFIN please click here.

GRIFFIN line - For the GRIFFIN maternal line, the following ancestral relationships are suggested as being confirmed, based on Autosomal DNA results.

Edith Griffin and an as yet Unidentified Male Noll - Great Grandparents

• Edith Griffin only, is consequently confirmed as a result of between Veronica Williams, her 3rd cousin once removed (BA) and another 4th cousin granddaughter of Thelma Margaret Griffin, JF, Gedmatch ID M210209 whose shared ancestors are Ediths grandparents James Griffin/Ann Coats.

• Unidentifed Male NOLL - Through DNA research we now believe my great grandfather to be named NOLL. Please refer to my free space page for more information and details regarding DNA confirmations - The Search for Thelma's Father. I believe its either Henry, Fred or Otto - most likely Otto but it can't be confirmed.

• Gedmatch triangulated group confirmation of relationships of between Veronica Williams, Gedmatch ID T350954, G.T., Gedmatch ID A756173, and her 3rd cousin SB Gedmatch ID T806778; approx 14cM segment match on chromosome 21, www.gedmatch.com, Jun 2016. Shared ancestors Edward Ellard/Mary Elizabeth Brotherton.

Johann Frederich Wilhelm Noll and Maria Elisabeth Wohling - 2nd Great Grandparents

• GEDMatch Triangulated Group : X chromosome, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll and Cousin B (granddaughter of Herbert Falting); ‘X’ chromosome, shared overlapping segments of 50.8cMs. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

• My Heritage Triangulated Group : Chromosome 2, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and PW (granddaughter of Frederick Wohling) triangulated at My Heritage, 7cMs. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

• GEDMatch Triangulated Group : Chromosome 11, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and Cousin D (granddaughter of Ivon Wohling, shared overlapping segments of 8.3cMs. Also, My Heritage Triangulated Group corresponding triangulated segment match between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll), and PW (granddaughter of Frederick Wohling), 8cMs, from 45-66. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

• My Heritage Triangulated Group : Chromosome 20, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and PW (granddaughter of Frederick Wohling) triangulated at My Heritage, 14cMs. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

Frederick Griffin and Margaret Ellard - 2nd Great Grandparents

• Frederick Griffin only, is consequently confirmed as a result of between Veronica Williams, her 3rd cousin once removed (BA) and another 4th cousin granddaughter of Thelma Margaret Griffin, JF, Gedmatch ID M210209 whose shared ancestors are Fredericks grandparents James Griffin/Ann Coats.

• Gedmatch one to one comparison confirmed relationship of third cousins between Veronica Williams, and her 3rd cousin SB, Gedmatch ID T806778, whose shared ancestors are Frederick Griffin/Margaret Ellard.

• Gedmatch one to one comparison confirmed relationship of third cousins between Veronica Williams GEDmatch T350954, and her 3rd cousin Peter Lock, Gedmatch A290509, whose shared ancestors are Frederick Griffin/Margaret Ellard. Total of shared segments > 7 cM = 113.4 cM, 5 matching segments.

Johann Frederick Noll and Albertine Charlotte Zimmermann- 3rd Great Grandparents

• GEDmatch Triangulated group: Chromosome 4, 13.6 cMs overlapping segment. Veronica Williams with 2 x 3C1R, great grandchildren (2 x 1st cousins) of daughter Friederike NOLL m Ferdinand FRIESKE. 2017.
• Tentative AncestryDNA matches between Veronica Williams and 8 x 4th cousins and 1 x 4C2R to the shared ancestral couple of JF Noll/Albertine Zimmermann from different descendant lines further supports the DNA confirmation, as at 2019.

Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding - 3rd Great Grandparents

• GEDMatch Triangulated Group : X chromosome, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll and Cousin B (granddaughter of Herbert Falting); ‘X’ chromosome, shared overlapping segments of 50.8cMs. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

• My Heritage Triangulated Group : Chromosome 2, between Veronica Williams, Cousin A (grandson of Otto Noll) and PW (granddaughter of Frederick Wohling) triangulated at My Heritage, 7cMs. Shared ancestors Johann Andreas Wohling and Anna Dorothea Wedding.

James Griffin and Ann Coats - 3rd Great Grandparents

• Gedmatch one to one comparison 'tentatively' confirmed relationship of third cousin once removed between Veronica Williams and Unnamed DNA Griffin (BA) and on Chromosome 7, 9.2cms, 2011.

• Gedmatch one to one comparison 'tentatively' confirmed relationship of 4th cousin between Veronica Williams and granddaughter of Thelma Margaret Griffin JF, Gedmatch ID M210209, on Chromosome 17, 10cms and on Chromosome 18', 10cms and 34.2cms, 2012.

Edward Ellard and Mary Elizabeth Brotherton - 3rd Great Grandparents

• Gedmatch one to one comparison confirmed 4th cousin relationship between Veronica WIlliams GEDmatch T350954 and G.T., grandson of Aileen EIZENBERG, Gedmatch ID A756173, 16.0 centimorgans shared across 2 DNA segments, Confidence Level High, 7 November 2015.

• AncestryDNA Predicted relationship - 4th-6th Cousins between Veronica Williams and the granddaughter of Thomas Herbert Ellard J.M. ; 21.0 centimorgans shared across 2 DNA segments, Confidence Level Very High, 6 Feb 2016, changed to Good, April 2016. This 4th cousin relationship is tentatively confirmed subject to further verification using chromosome data.

• Gedmatch one to one comparison, www.gedmatch.com, Private DT GEDmatch - A250216 paternal 3C1R of VW T350954. Nov 2016. Shared ancestors Edward ELLARD and Mary BROTHERTON.

• Gedmatch one to one comparison, www.gedmatch.com, RG A887369 Chromosome 9, maternal 4C of SB T806778 and also maternal 3C1R of DS A250216. Shared ancestors Edward ELLARD and Mary BROTHERTON.

• AncestryDNA Predicted relationship: Distant Cousins C.H. paternal 4C2R. 17.4 centimorgans shared across 2 DNA segments Tentative match with Veronica Williams, 2016. Probable shared ancestors Edward ELLARD and Mary BROTHERTON. Dec 2016.

• FTDNA one to one comparison confirmation of 4th cousin relationships between Veronica Williams, and JM; approx 29.7cM segment match on Chromosome 7 www.gedmatch.com, June 2017 (AncestryDNA match 2016). Adjacent segment to G.T., Gedmatch ID A756173. Possibly triangulated with Private DT GEDmatch A250216.

• Gedmatch triangulated group confirmation of relationships between Veronica Williams, Gedmatch ID T350954, G.T., Gedmatch ID A756173, and her 3rd cousin SB Gedmatch ID T806778; approx 14cM segment match on Chromosome 21 www.gedmatch.com, Jun 2016. Shared ancestors Edward Ellard/Mary Elizabeth Brotherton.

John Christoph NOLL and Anna Dorothea Maria Elisabeth TELTAU - 4th Great Grandparents

• FTDNA Triangulated group, C01, 13.5cMs shared overlapping segments. Shared by Veronica Williams, grandson of Otto NOLL and great granddaughter of Frederick Balfour NOLL, 2017.
• GEDmatch Triangulated group, C05, 11cMs shared overlapping segments. Shared by Veronica Williams, grandson of Otto NOLL and great granddaughter of Marie Frederike NOLL, 2017.

Christian Wedding and Maria Elisabeth Heinrich - 4th Great Grandparents

• GEDmatch Triangulated group, Chromosme 01, confirmation of relationships 9.8cMs overlapping segment match on chromosome 1 between Veronica Williams, the grandson of Otto Noll, the grandaughter of Ivan Ernest Wohling and the great grandchild of Johann Friedrich Carl Wedding.

• My Heritage Triangulated group, 'Chromosome 10, 25.2cMs shared overlapping segments between Veronica Williams, the grandson of Otto Noll, the great granddaughter of Mary Emma Noll and

• Tentative AncestryDNA matches between Veronica Williams and 7 x 4th cousins once removed to 6th cousins to the shared ancestral couple of Christian Wedding and Maria Elisabeth Heinrich from different descendant lines further supports the DNA confirmation, as at 2019.

William Griffin and his wife Elizabeth - 4th Great Grandparents

• My Heritage Triangulated group, Chromosome 08, 24.8 cMs shared overlapping segment, between Veronica Williams, Peter Lock, Allan Sargison and his sibling.

John Coates and Sarah Swift - 4th Great Grandparents

• Gedmatch triangulated group confirmation of relationships between Veronica Williams, Gedmatch ID T350954, Peter Lock, Gedmatch A290509, and their 4th cousin once Graeme GEDmatch A838759 ; approx 9cM overlapping segment match on Chromosome 14', www.gedmatch.com, Aug 2017.

William Brotherton and [[Elstone-11|Mary Elizabeth Elstone] - 4th great grandparents

• FTDNA Triangulated Group consisting of Veronica Williams, the granddaughter of Charles Harto and the granddaughter of Thomas Herbert Ellard sharing a segment on chromosome 7 overlapping segments, March 2018.

Thomas Ellard and Elizabeth Risley - 4th Great Grandparents

• GEDmatch Triangulated group, confirmation of relationships between Private Griffin Ellard T806778, Private Britton GEDmatch T717072 and Private DT GEDmatch A250216, 16.9cM segment match on 'Chromosome 17, 2016.