John Winder (1880 - 1966)

Born 1880 in Over Wyersdale, Lancashire, England

Ancestors

Died 11 Jan 1966 at about age 86 in England, United Kingdom [uncertain]

Biography

John Winder was born in Over Wyersdale, Lancashire, England.

John was born in 1880. He is the son of David Winder, a farmer, and Margaret (Parrington) Winder.

In 1881 he is one year old in his parents home. ^[1]

In 1891 he is 11 and in his parents home. ^[2]

In 1901 he is 21 living and working on his parents farm. ^[3]

In 1911 he is a farmer, married to Elizabeth Birkett (1884-) with 3 children.^[4]

In 1939 he was a builder's labourer.^[5]

He passed away in 1966.

Research Notes

There are two big issues with the Family Search transcriptions of this family on the 1891 Census causing the need for up to three 1891 Census links as sources, dependent upon the profile. (Ancestry and Find My Past transcriptions are fine.)

1. In 1891, Margaret (Parrington) Winder and daughter Mary Grace Winder are out of the home visiting the childrens maternal grandmother. (This is not an issue. It is just a fact which may be the cause of the transcription and/or programming errors since the Head's Wife is out of the home.)

2. In 1891, David Winder and the remaining children are at home on the farm. They are enumerated on two sheets: Head David and the children Annie, John and David are on the bottom of one sheet. First Transcription Error: Annie, 13 years old, has been erroneously transcribed as the Wife.

3. In 1891 on the second sheet is the Second Transcription Error: at the top of the page, Margaret (7 years old) is not 'linked' as "child to previous Head" thus is being treated programming-wise as the Head of the family which consists of her siblings Elizabeth Winder 3 years old and Ada Winder 10 months old, even though she is not enumerated as the Head. All searches for her in 1891 in conjunction with data for her parents results in other unrelated families.

This is not my family. I am helping clean up profiles as part of the England Project Orphan Trail, Part 1 and will likely not return to see if Family Search has fixed the transcription errors. If you are related to this family you may want to see if the errors have been fixed so that these particular research notes and the extra 1891 census source links in some of these profiles can be removed. I am putting this research note on the profiles of David, wife Margaret and ALL of their ten children, even those not born before 1891. If Family Search ever fixes the transcription, the 1891 Census source links will need to be cleaned up. It will obviously depend upon each Profile. Williams-101129 14:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Sources

1. ↑ "England and Wales Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27R-991H : 12 December 2017), John Winder in household of David Winder, Over Wyresdale, Lancashire, England; from "1881 England, Scotland and Wales Census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing p. 3, Piece/Folio 4261/5, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 101,775,200.
2. ↑ "England and Wales Census, 1891," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QYYS-P6Z : 23 February 2021), John Winder in household of David Winder, Wyresdale, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom; from "1891 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 12, Lancashire county, subdistrict, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
3. ↑ "England and Wales Census, 1901," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9V9-21G : 21 May 2019), John Winder in household of David Winder, Admarsh, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom; from "1901 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing Garstang subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
4. ↑ "England and Wales Census, 1911," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X49F-FXC : 7 May 2019), John Winder, Wyresdale, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom; from "1911 England and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 14, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
5. ↑ "England and Wales National Register, 1939," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7P6W-DJ6Z : 16 April 2019), John Winder, 29 Sep 1939; from "General Register Office: National Registration: 1939 Register," database, FindMyPast (https://www.findmypast.com : 2017); citing Census, Lancaster, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom, RG 101, The National Archives, Kew, England; FHL microfilm .

Acknowledgements

Thanks goes out to Katherine Wall for the creation of this profile on Nov 23, 2011.