Why was I taken off as A profile manager on a proflie???

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Hi: A person on this site contacted me to add them to one of my profiles.

I added the person right away as I thought maybe this person knows more

about the family history than I do. So I added her to more of my profiles than

she had asked for. Then this morning I sign in to find out she has removed me

as the profile manager. This family of Halls are in my lineage as one of the

Halls married into my Porter family. I left her a message on the Bulletin Board

to ask her why she did what she did....

Why is she able to remove me??  I guess I will be more careful next time..

Ouch!! that hurt.....Marie

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I think everyone who uses wikitree will be watching for the answer to this one, because this is every profile manager's nightmare.

I'm fairly new here and I've taken care to consult the original manager before updating profiles, until we learn to work together.

It ought to be like the merges, to be removed from a profile should require action from both parties unless one has been inactive for the requisite period.

Perhaps it is someone new to wikitree who doesn't understand the way the system works, and they'll realise their error when they read your message and put you back.

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Yesterday a request from someone to be added resulted in the near destruction of the Shanklin profile (chosen by Eowyn as a teaching example) that Michael Lechner and I share so you have my deep sympathy Marie.

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This happens more than we think  Marie i feel for you ,its certainly not right as you added her to the trusted list ,TRUSTED being the operative word !

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I'm surprised to hear that.  Isn't it against the honor code and therefore to some extent enforcable and remediable?

Does someone have to be added as a profile manager or just on the trusted list to have this power?

It's a wonder anyone adds anyone at all.  Accepted that we do not own our profiles, but also accepted surely that no one else does either?

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To answer your second question... A Wiki Genealogist needs to be a profile manager to add/remove someone as a profile manager. In this case, the person Marie added to the trusted list then completed a merge with a profile for which she was a manager, resulting in a single profile with both of them as profile managers (until Marie was removed by the other person).

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HI: Thanks every one for your input..hopefully we can look forward to some changes

like Irene Dillon  suggested. She said "  it ought to be like the merges......"

Eowyn wanted to know which profile it was...but I do not think I will  post that

as I have said all I want to say on this matter    ...Marie

I,. too, sometimes contact a profile manager if I am going to add something

to their profile... I think this is of good manners and shows respect to that person...

And leave a source......Thanks again :)  M.

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While I understand the need for just a few managers, I have noticed quite a few will remove one without so much as a 'see ya' - I understand there is a need for efficiency.

Yet there is a protocol for opening a profile that is in need of merging/cleaning and it is done to allow a manager to deal with the issues on the page. Which can take weeks to 'clear up' - but it is done out of courtesy and the "one tree'' collaboration that is central to WikiTree.

There is also a protocol for removing people as profile managers:

Remove extra managers

No profile should have more than a half-dozen managers. One or two is usually enough.

It's a good idea to contact Profile Managers if you're removing them and this might come as a surprise. It could easily offend and upset new users who aren't familiar with how WikiTree works. This doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. It just means we need to be sensitive.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project_protecting_and_merging#Remove_extra_managers

There are a couple of supervisors that seem to have forgotten this.

I came to WikiTree Because of the collaborative effort - yet when one person takes it upon self to remove all other managers leaving just themself? That is a bit off-putting.

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Hi Michelle: Thank you for your input ...you have summed it up just

perfectly.  2 or 3 profilers per profile should be enough...:)  M.

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More than off putting if they decide to make wholesale changes that could mess up your tree.

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Thanks Michael  for your input......you summed it up in  few words:)...Marie

Answer 1

Hi  Marie,

I'm so sorry to hear that this happened to you!  What occurred is against the honor code but it's also part of the honor code to assume that other WikiTreers make mistakes unintentionally and that their intentions are good. So let's try and get the situation fixed! :)

Marie, can you post the link to one of the profiles that you were removed from?  Thanks!

Eowyn

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Irene is right that it's against the honor code . And also the possibility that it may be a newbie who is not familiar with the concept of collaborative genealogy .

Marie, did you ever receive messages from them that they wanted to make some changes to the information on the profiles ?

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Marie - it appears the other profile manager removed you after completing a merge. Some arborists do this, although generally only when there are many managers and they usually don't remove active managers. It also appears she only removed you from the one she merged.  Has she responded to your post?

Cheers, Liz

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HI Maggie :To answer your  guestion; She asked to be added to my

trusted list. I added her to the profile she wanted but I thought why not add her

to more of the profiles as they are both our ancestors. I was never contactrd

that she wanted to make some changes to the information on the profiles.

I wonder how many times this happens and people do not speak up??

After the merge she "removed" me.( There  would only be 2 profile managers on
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the profile her and me....Cheers...... Marie

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Hi Liz: You are spot on to what happened. She has not responded to my post..

Cheers...Marie

Answer 2

On a related topic why is it so hard / difficult / imposible to become a profile manager?

Trusted list access should be granted to anyone that is a descendant of the profile, if they wish.  Being on the trusted list should not enable ability to merge profiles. A process that can loose data (birth death marriage) reserve this privilage to profile managers.

Profile manager status should be granted on request.  Perhaps with a checklist acknowledging responsibilities and the understanding of proper merging techniques.  Granting and giving credit to contributions of other WikiTree members. Perhaps most important a willingness to improve the profile and a knowledge of the particular line.  A limit to the number of profile managers seems to be within reason.  Inactivity by a profile manager for merge requests etc. should down grade his / her status.

Supervisors taking over a profile and not managing it should be discouraged.

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Everyone seems to think being a profile manager grants you credit for the particular profile.  See how easy it is to be removed.  Credit belongs in the acknowledgement section and within footnotes.

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I would have to consider your post a little longer, but I kind of disagree with your most important point.  Though I agree that a willingness to improve a profile and line is desirable, I will continue to adopt orphaned Smiths whenever I find them.  Being a Smith sometimes feels like you are lost in a crowd.  Being an orphaned Smith seems like you have also been forgotten.  Not if I can help it!  

If you have Smith profiles that you can no longer manage, please consider turning the profile management over to Cooper-1.  Thanks!

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Kind of goes a long with the Big Heart badge.  If you adopt the profile someone that needs to connect to the profile cannot adopt it and has to go through you to add their connections, data and merges.  Not improving on the profile and having others go though extra work to make a meaningful contribution. Just my view on the issue, being able to adopt a profile to connect it makes more sense.

Edit: Profile manager status was requested for the Smith line, took forever and side branch acess denied. You may have them, don't feel like working on that line now anyway. See ancestors of Smith-15971

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Hi: I will jump in here with my "Two" Cents worth :) If the file is over 100 years or so

it is an open profile ...it only takes a few minutes to send one or 2 profile managers

an e-mail to let them know you want to add some info ALONG with a source. Also,

one should be careful who they put on their trusted list..one should ask for proof of

their lineage to your profile..to which they want to be added to..(I know I will. ) I

have viewed some pretty good re- sourced profiles meaning that they took along

time to acquire all the information  needed. And to let someone on the trusted list

and they lost info.  and butcher the profile  NO, NO, NO...

When they are granted access on the trusted list there should be ..... lets say a

FORM that says that they will only provide info with sources and they CAN  have

the right to merge prolfiles but NOT THE RIGHT TO remove another person off the

profile..
 

On the nag. home page she removed the fact that she removed me from the

profile..why it that..how did she do that. On the profile in question it states

I have been removed. And she did not respond to my post.
 

 If not adhering to these rules..Sorry,.... No...     access to profile!!

It may sound harsh .....but in the long run it will  benefit the project....

Has anyone contacted the person that originally started this project for his /her

views on the matter in question.  My input is something needs to be

addressed in the HONOR CODE.....I must state that I was more shocked

at what had taken place.

I, too have adopted some files..I can't help it...by the way to go Kitty.

I guess what I am trying to get across is....... RESPECT !!

Has anyone connected the person that originally started this project to get his or

her views on this subject??

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I will reconsider my approach.  Thanks again for all the work you did on that Smith line.  I know it was a mess.

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my two cents worth-sources should be wills, deeds birth/death/marriage records..NOT ancestry.com garbage.

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Anyone that signs the Honor Code can edit any profile over 200 years old, trusted list or not.

Trusted list gives you notice of any changes. (and unfortunatley allows merging)

Profile manager -

For older profiles, the manager is a leader for the genealogical collaboration.

Profile Managers get merge proposals when someone thinks two profiles represent the same person.

IF you do not wish me to be a profile manager, your loss.  Again it should not be so hard to become a profile manager.  This would solve original question problems.

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Hi again Marie... I don't know if you noticed, but she reinstated you as a profile manager before she deleted your bulletin board post from the profile page.

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And that is good news.  It was an error, as we all hoped.  Also hoping the poor lady understands that our conversation is about preventing mistakes down the track, and not a gripe about any specific occurrence.  

So since everything is temporarily good now, I hope someone still looks into this aspect of merges and profile-sharing, just to help the collaboration work seamlessly.  

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HI: I did notice that she put me back on the profile...I will give her a thank you

for that. I will have to ponder on poor lady and a mistake. However,I   am

glad I posted what I did  regarding the incident. . I. too, hope that someone

will look into the aspects of merging and profit-sharing.   Marie

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maybe not a mistake, but for sure a misunderstanding. She did post an apology on your page.  And y'all are cousins :D

One of the joys of WikiTree - for me - is "meeting" distant cousins and working with them on our shared ancestry. I'm constantly amazed at the great things we accomplish (brick walls falling all around)!

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Hi : Just to let you know  I do not have an "issue" with the person in question.

Anymore :)

I have read and I have accepted her apology....Marie

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I would have agreed with you a week ago. It is called a trusted list for a reason and even if you are both related to a person, if they aren't trusted, because they  make a habit of creating duplicate profiles and adding no sources or changing info that is correct *like a date is unsure to sure) without evidence - they aren't trusted. I didn't actually know you could remove a PM...

Answer 3

What is a Profile Manager?

The Profile Manager has primary responsibility for a WikiTree profile.

For modern profiles, the manager is a privacy steward. The Profile Manager sets the Privacy Level and manages the Trusted List.

For older profiles, the manager is a leader for the genealogical collaboration.

Profile Managers get merge proposals when someone thinks two profiles represent the same person.

Does the Profile Manager own the profile?

No. See the page on ownership and control.

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If a profile manager (with out guidelines to follow) decides who else is to be a profile manager, he does own and control the profile.  If some one else wishes to participate in the genealogical collaboration should they not be allowed?