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John Morison (bef. 1669)

John Morison aka Muirson, Morrison
Born before in Longside, Aberdeenshire, Scotlandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Son of and
Brother of , , , , , , , [half], [half] and [half]
Husband of — married 17 Dec 1690 in Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotlandmap [uncertain]
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Died [date unknown] in Scotlandmap
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Biography

  • John was baptized 22 November, 1669 at Longside Parish, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. His father was John Murison, but no mother was recorded.[1] (The spelling "Murison" is recognized as a phoenic varient of Morison on ScotlandsPeople).
  • John grew up and was married in Campbeltown.
  • John married Jean Alexander 17/12/1690 at Campbeltown Parish.[2] (Note: Ancestry.com is not an acceptable source for this record.)
  • There is no record or indication that John Morison ever left Scotland.

See DNA match below.

Research Notes


Sources

  1. ↑ Birth or Baptism: "Church of Scotland: Old Parish Registers - Births and Baptisms," database, National Records of Scotland, https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ (accessed 17 March 2023), Surname MURISON Forename JOHN, Parents/Other details JOHN MURISON/, Gender M, Birth Date 22/11/1669, Parish LONGSIDE; citing Parish Number 218, Ref 10/57.
  2. ↑ Banns and Marriages,"Church of Scotland: Old Parish Registers-Banns and Marriages", database, National Records of Scotland, https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ (accessed 3 August 2023), Surname MORISSON, Forename JOHN, Spouse Name, Surname ALEXANDER, Forename JEAN FR209 (FR210), Marriage Date 17/12/1690, Parish Campbeltown; citing Parish Number 507, ref 11/404.

DNA

MRCA: Sir Alexander Morrison and Helenora Maule

  • Paternal Relationship is suggested by a GEDnatch test match between 10th cousins once removed Mack Morrison Jr.,PhD. GEDmatch QS4002482 and S L GEDmatch FU3065754 sharing an 8.2 cM segment.

MRCA: John Morrison Sr and Jeane Steele

  • Parental Relationship is suggested by a GEDmatch test match between 9th cousins Doug Hannah GEDmatch GS8501600 and Joyce Mason Emerson GEDmatch M915741 sharing 13.2 cM over two segments.

MRCA: John Morrison Sr and Jeane Steele

  • Parental Relationship is suggested by a GEDmatch test match between 8th cousins Phillip Smith GEDmatch QS6478917 and Deva (Thomasson) Brehony GEDmatch A509388 sharing 16.3 cM over 2 segments.

MRCA: John Morrison Sr and Jeane Steele

  • Parental relationship is suggested by a Gedmatch test match between 8th cousins once removed Carolee (Copen) Stout GEDmatch A682003 and Mack Morrison Jr., PhD GEDmatch QS4002482 consisting of a shared match of 26.1 cM over 3 segments.




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[Living Dieterle]
Here's another funny result — given that the John of this profile married in 1690, which is not under dispute, and given that Charter John was born in 1678, this would mean that he married Jeane when he was 12 years old. There are any number of humorous or sarcastic things that could be said, but I am told to mind my manners. So why don't you hand this site over to me, and let me clean it up?
posted by [Living Dieterle]
flagged by Michael Cayley
[Living Dieterle]
I'm utterly mystified that you could identify this John with the son of John Morison d. 1736, the man known as "Charter John." This profile's John was born in 1669, or perhaps 1668. Charter John's tombstone gives the exact date of his death, and his age as 98, implying that he was born in the year 1678 (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Morrison-1229). Furthermore, he was said in a death record reproduced at the Charter John site, to have been born in Ireland. So we can prove that Charter John was born in Ireland in 1678, and he and two brothers, James and Halbert, left for the colonies in 1718. You should be honest and forthright, and say up front that this John (or is it two Johns?) is not identical to "Charter John," the son of John Morison (d. 1736).

Give me the site, and I'll merge it; then I'll make a separate profile about John & Jean, since they are in fact people in North Carolina who descend from people in Campbeltown, not to mention Scottish genealogists who might find this of interest. I would just mention the John Murison birth in a Research note.

posted by [Living Dieterle]
edited by [Living Dieterle]
flagged by Michael Cayley
Jonathan Crawford
I truly wish you would stop inferring dishonesty and lack of forthright behavior from someone not working to your timetable. You may be "utterly mystified" to find out that I am not obligated to jump to your whim.

I hear your points, if you wish to add them into a Research Notes section point by point then please do so, but please do not merge anything until that has been clearly laid out for all to see.

lastly, a headstone is not always reliable for dates and ages, nor are death certificates always accurate for birth information. I understand your point and see that it is questionable but it is not "proof".

posted by Jonathan Crawford
edited by Jonathan Crawford
[Living Dieterle]
It was a double disproof, the other being that he was born in Ireland, not Scotland. His tombstone is not the only source: "The oldest on the catalogue of longevity (except the late Mrs. Cunningham who deceased in her 99th year) is Mr. John Morrison, who died June 14, 1776 , in the 98th year of his age. Mr. Morrison retained his faculties till within a short time of his death. He was remarkably intelligent and his memory very retentive." So the reverend Dunbar wrote in 1822. He lived in Petersborough, and certainly knew people who knew well Charter John, if he did not know him himself. So the John Morrison profiled here, the husband of Jeane Alexander (or is it Eshinor ?), is not Charter John. QED
posted by [Living Dieterle]
[Living Dieterle]
If you define this John Morrison as "the man who married Jean Alexander," then if people can make a connection to this couple, the genetic evidence can come into support; but we still do not know of any evidence that this John, so defined, is the same as the John born in Aberdeen. Yet you do not make any statement to the effect that this connection has not been established. You volunteered to be the profile manager, yet you keep dodging responsibility. You should open a Research Note that states that the only known connection of John Morison of Campbeltown to anyone in Aberdeen, is the coincidence of names and rough alignment of dates, none of which proves anything. In other words, the John of Aberdeen might be the John of Campbeltown, but there is no evidence of connection.
posted by [Living Dieterle]
[Living Dieterle]
Simple question: How do you know that the John born in Aberdeenshire is the same John who married in Campbeltown?
posted by [Living Dieterle]
Dale Ohda
multiple dna matches to his siblings and half-siblings. in Campbeltown and New Hampshire
posted by Dale Ohda
[Living Dieterle]
1. You have the cart before the horse: first you have to show that the genealogical relationships are valid. This is done through history, not genetics. Only after the genealogy is established can you use genetics to confirm it. 2. Since there were thousands of John Morrisons in Scotland, what if some other person named "John Morison" were put forward as a candidate? How do you show that your John Morison is the one from whom everyone is descended? 3. See all the other things I've said below, none of which was given any satisfactory answer.

So, once again, how do you know that you've settled on the right John Morrison, and how do you even know that the one upon whom you settled is the one who married in Campbeltown? It should be obvious to any intelligent person that you can't answer "DNA". What is needed is historical evidence.

posted by [Living Dieterle]
edited by [Living Dieterle]
[Living Dieterle]
This is still a mess. You name as the person's father the John Morison of NH. His son John Jr, "Charter John", was born in Ireland, at least according to his people who informed those recording his death. However, this John of the present profile, so you say, never left Scotland! So, either John Sr. had two sons named John — an unheard of practice unless one of them died before the birth of the other — or you are wrong in assigning this John as a son to John Morison (d. 1736) of New Hampshire. So you need to cut the paternal tie with John (d. 1736). I hope that you can understand this obvious implication. The fact that your DNA "proves" or even suggests that John Morison Sr. of NH is the father of this guy, is a reductio ad absurdum of your methodology.
posted by [Living Dieterle]
edited by [Living Dieterle]
[Living Dieterle]
Here's what they have to say at 23&Me:

"Under a simple model where a family has 2-3 children, you would have 190 third cousins, 940 fourth cousins, and a whopping 4,700 fifth cousins.

Going back to 8th cousins (or 9 generations back to a common ancestor), the model we developed predicts you would have over half a million 8th cousins!"

Also going below 7 cM is considered unreliable. That's why the GEDmatch is set at 7 by default.

You guys refuse to respond to me when I ask historical questions. It seems that all you've got is DNA, which in this case is insufficient. The match you make might be right, but there will be, at 9 generations, so many shared ancestors that you have no idea which of them your DNA connection singled out!

posted by [Living Dieterle]
edited by [Living Dieterle]
Jonathan Crawford
Dale, can you clarify for me which matching tool you are using on gedmatch? for the first and third match listed I am only seeing about 7.2/7.3 matching, not the 13 or 26 cM you listed. I am using the free one to one autosomal.
posted by Jonathan Crawford
edited by Jonathan Crawford
Dale Ohda
Lower the minimum segment size from 7 down to 5. When using the "multi kit analysis, you can lower the 2D chromosome browser to 5 cM and get the same detailed report.
posted by Dale Ohda
[Living Dieterle]
More bad news. 8th cousins are 9 generations apart. I was, for instance, born in 1945, so giving each generation 30 years (this is generous), and given that autosomal DNA is sufficient to make connections from 6 to 8 generations, that would mean that I could go back to someone b. 1705 at 8 generations. Younger people not as far. However, here we have 9 generations, and the people compared are most likely younger than I. That means you've blown a stop sign.

From Google: "Most 9th cousins are not “blood related”, in that they likely do not share DNA with each other. In fact, we might only share genetic material with . 0034 of our ninth cousins, which means that out of 1,000,000, we might only match the DNA of them – if they all were to take DNA tests."

posted by [Living Dieterle]
edited by [Living Dieterle]
Jonathan Crawford
Richard, please read over the DNA help.pages to familiarize yourself with YDNA tests. These differ from autosomal tests, and only relate to the unbroken paternal lineage. R-M269 compared to the terminal SNP is similar to saying "he lived in California" versus "he lived at this specific address in this city in California". The two are not falsehoods when compared, they are just different levels of specificity.
posted by Jonathan Crawford
[Living Dieterle]
You're not offering Y-DNA matches, you're (or Ohda) is offering autosomal DNA matches. The latter are only good for 6 to 8 generations. If you are referring to Guyon Morison, then you should put the comment over there. See my comments there.

The John Morrison who married Jeane Alexander is definitely not the John Morison Jr., of N.H. No historical argument is offered here.

posted by [Living Dieterle]
[Living Dieterle]
A quick check of the internet shows that Muirson is not the same name as Morrison/Morison.

Jeane Alexander, of whom no one has heard anything in New Hampshire, appears to have been generated out of thin air. Argyll is on the opposite side of Scotland from Aberdeen where this Morrison family came from.

So your profile is an amalgam of three profiles: that of John Muirson of Aberdeen, that of John Morrison of Argyll who married Jeane Alexander, and John Morison Jr of New Hampshire.

You need to fix this mess before you're worthy of merging with the more strack version of this profile.

posted by [Living Dieterle]
Jonathan Crawford
Since you were the one who suggested the merge Richard, I will take it as agreement that the merge request should be declined. I agree that this profile needs some attention and untangling.

Thanks!

posted by Jonathan Crawford
[Living Dieterle]
d i e t e 0 0 3 @ u m n . e d u I found myself pursuing the genealogy of John Morrison Sr because I had been working on the N. Carolina Morrisons from Iredell and encountered crude attempts to link them directly to the New Hampshire Morrisons. I found these latter quite interesting, but their profiles were chaotic, duplicated, and undeveloped, an unfortunate state of affairs that I attempted to remedy. I should point out, when DNA is presented, that it is only as good as the history that precedes it. If you triangulate three descendants of John Doe, and they all converge on him as being their MRCA of the right time depth, then they feel confident that they have proven that John Doe is indeed their common ancestor. But what if it transpired that it was really Joe Blow who was this ancestor, and that the genealogy of John Doe had misidentified him as occupying this slot? Only history can establish who the shared ancestor actually is. Therefore, history takes precedence over DNA when it comes to identifying the shared ancestor. That's why I'm so anxious to see proof of historical (genealogical) connections. Y-DNA could be very helpful. If a known descendant of the NH Morrisons has the same Y-DNA as Wm Henry Morrison, or some other Pa/NC Morrison, then we would know that they are of the same clade (if that's the right term), although, of course, they could be very, very distantly related to one another.

Concerning Wm Henry Morrison — the N. C./PA Morrisons have the name "Andrew" heavily represented generation after generation; yet this name is completely absent in the NH Morrisons. The latter have an occasional Robert, which I don't remember seeing in the southern group. Also, I haven't run across anyone who spells their name "Morison" with one /r/ in the southern clan.

posted by [Living Dieterle]
edited by [Living Dieterle]
Morrison-12380 Mack Morrison Jr., Ph.D.
Hi Richard - Thank you again for all your hard work. With regards to DNA, I know very little about its use in genealogical research, and yes it would be good if there were some NH Morrison's who would take a test. As far as names go, Andrew is not a commonly name found in the descendants of William Morrison. However, the names John, Robert, and William appear generation after generation. In fact, in my close family, I have uncles as well as first cousins with each of these names. As you said my branch of the Morrison's uses the spelling with two "r's" in the last name. I'll reach out to you directly in case you would like to continue this discussion outside of Wikitree and not clutter up the comment section.
posted by Mack Morrison Jr., Ph.D.
[Living Dieterle]
1. Concerning the Nutfield source: it is almost entirely derived from The History Of The Morison Or Morrison Family, except that this latter has a great deal more to say about his son Robert. The Nutfield source could be deleted, except it is a nicely formatted back-up electronic text.

2. The Nutfield source probably botched this one. The History Of The Morison Or Morrison Family and its sources, one of which goes all the way back to 1822, are, I think, consistent on this. Nutfield is a "suburb" of Londonderry (later changed its name to just "Derry"), so he is variously described as being the first child born in Nutfield and the first child born in Londonderry.

3. This Jean Alexander seems to be one of these mirages that arise from people finding matching names in Scottish records. See William Henry Morrison, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Morrison-762, an alleged son of our John Morison. Yet he is not born in Aberdeen, and he is born in Scotland in 1704, when we know that John Jr was in Ireland at age 10 during the Siege of Londonderry. When John Jr and James went to America in 1718-1719, there is no mention of them having children with them. None of the sources that I've consulted know of any such person as Wm Henry Morrison. Our John Morrison Jr is being confused with one of the myriad of Scotsmen named "John Morrison".

On item #4, I'm not clear on what you mean. Check my version, I think they're in order there.

Concerning 5, the Scottish connection is, again, problematic. It can be shown to be false: our John Jr. was 9 or 10 in 1689 during the siege of Londonderry, which was a very big deal in this family. In some of the early sources, there were living people who remembered hearing his stories from his own lips. So he wasn't born in 1669. Also, his father has his name spell "Muirson". John Sr. was literate and spelled his name "Morison". However, this could be dodged by suggesting that the person writing the record did not consult John Sr. as to how he spelled his name. I don't know how "Muirson" is actually pronounced in Scotland. Finally, John Jr. was said to have been born in Ireland, not Scotland.

You might want to view again my profile version, which I have built up a bit more lately.

posted by [Living Dieterle]
edited by [Living Dieterle]
Morrison-12380 Mack Morrison Jr., Ph.D.
Hi Richard,

Thank you so much for the work that you are doing on “John Morrison.” I am a direct descendent of William Henry Morrison (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Morrison-762). In 1993, my Morrison cousins travelled from North Carolina to Scotland to try and trace the ancestry of William Henry Morrison in preparation for updating the 1950 family genealogy book by the Lore Sisters. Their updated Morrison genealogy was published in 3 volumes in 1996; one for each of the 3 sons (James, John, and Robert) of William Morrison who travelled to the British colonies in the 1750s, arriving in Pennsylvania before eventually settling in North Carolina a few years later.

Based on my cousin’s research, William was born to John Morrison and Jean Eshinor/Eskinor in Campbelltown, Scotland and baptized in 1704. They were unable to find any other records as to the ancestors of John and Jean. William Morrison did marry Janet Hall in 1725.

Based on the Morrison Surname DNA Project at Family Tree, the descendants of William Morrison have been placed in Group A, which is identified as having ancestors from Kintyre and Ayrshire in Scotland, Eastern County Londonderry in Northern Ireland, and New Hampshire. In addition, Group L contains Morrison’s who trace their ancestry back to Ayrshire and Lanarkshire in Scotland, Counties Londonderry and Antrim in North Ireland, and Londonderry, New Hampshire.

I am interested in learning how the ancestors of William Morrison are related to the Morrison’s in New Hampshire. In particular, into which DNA Group would the descendants of John Morrison, Sr. (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Morrison-1091) be classified, i.e. am I related to them through DNA, or would they be in Group L? Do you have any knowledge?

Kind regards

Mack Morrison

posted by Mack Morrison Jr., Ph.D.
[Living Dieterle]
Morrison-1229 and Morison-54 appear to represent the same person because: same place and date of death, same father, same son Thomas.
posted by [Living Dieterle]
Jonathan Crawford
thanks Richard, see Research Notes for comments, I need to research the sources we have further before approving this, as different children are attached, different spouse, and some of the info on the given sources seems to be contradictory.
posted by Jonathan Crawford
Jonathan Crawford
Morison-54 and Morrison-1229 do not represent the same person because: Additional research and work needed to untangle the conflated people in this profile prior to any merging. See comments.
posted by Jonathan Crawford
Arbuthnot-53 William (Arbuthnot) Arbuthnot of Kittybrewster 2nd Bt
Born when his father was seven
posted by William (Arbuthnot) Arbuthnot of Kittybrewster 2nd Bt

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