John
Ryves
Born about [location unknown]
Son of Robert Ryves
and Johan (Unknown) Ryves
Husband of
Amye (Harvey) Man
— married
1536 in England
Descendants 
Father of
John Ryves, Mary (Ryves) Aden, Margaret (Ryves) Lawrence, Jane (Ryves) Sydenham, Robert Ryves, Richard Ryves and Thomas Ryves
Died about
at about age 33
in Damory Court, Dorset, England
Profile last modified
| Created 19 May 2010
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Biography
According to Childs, John Ryves, born about 1514, of Damory Court, co. Dorset . . . made his will in 1547 and died shortly thereafter. [1]
However it would appear that John Ryves, wrote his last will and testament in 1545. This will has not been found but he predeceased his father Robert who died in 1551 and whose will includes the following quotation
"Item where John Rives my sonn deceased by his last will and testament being date the twentie day of July in the yere of our lord god a thousand fyve hundred [xlvth?] in the xxxvijth yeare of the reign of our late sovereign lord henry the eighth [1545 ] dyd give and bequeath to Robert Ryve Richard Reve and Thomas Reve his sonnes and to every of them fiftie pundes of lawful money of England and to Mary Ryve, Margaret Ryve and Jane Ryve his daughters and to every of them twentie poundes of lawfull mony of England "[2][3] John must have died after July 1545 but before mid 1547 since his widow Amey appears to have married John Mann of Poole at the end of September of that year. [4]
Research Notes
Note 1
- There are three related documents for 1 Edward V1 1547-8 are catalogued at the National Archives,Kew. They may apply to this John Ryve/Reve's death .
- WARD 7/3/5
- IPM C 142/84/23
- IPM Wards and Liveries WARD 7/3/5 (this court dealt with wardship of minors as were John's children at his death)
- IPM Escheators file E 150/936/16 [5]
Note 2
- The Needles book cited above includes 'transcriptions of a document that is alleged to be a Memorandum of family dates and events from the Mann family. The date of the marriage of Amy could be miss transcribed (or possibly even fabricated) Edward Mann MP born c 1549 in the History of Parliament account and July 1552 in the Needles account was Amy's second child by this marriage . Edward Mann HOP online Coleman-5109 10:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Note 3
- The Y DNA of the Rives of Dorset and descendants is E-M35 freepages, rootsweb added by Solomon Reeves Jr
Sources
- ↑ Childs book, p. 2
- ↑ National ArchiveWill of Robert Reve or Ryve of Blandford Forum, Dorset, PROB 11/35/113 , 24 March 1552 viewable on ancestry.co.uk
- ↑ image of specific text from will http://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Ryves_wills
- ↑ Needles, Samuel Hambleton, Record of the Man, Needles and Hambleton Family https://archive.org/stream/recordofmanneedl00need#page/n125/mode/2up
- ↑ Ward 7 E150 C 142
See also:
- James Rives Childs, Reliques of the Rives (Ryves) (c) 1929 James R. Childs, pub. by J. P. Bell Co., Lynchburg, Va. Facsimile reprint publ. 1994 by Heritage Books, Bowie, Md. Vol. 1 p. 1-344, Vol. 2 p. 345-750
- Visitations of Somersetshire, Ancestry.com.
- Profile for Sir John Ryves, Kt., of Damory Court on geni.com
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I agree that we cannot be certain where he was born. I've looked at many primary records and the only mention of France I have seen is in the IPM and wills for John Ryves d 1625 but that is to Fraunce alias Nutford Lockley. Damory Court was purchased by his father in 1549 so possibly before this John's death
ah! important edit, after this man's death
The Ryves book is about my only source. I have not personally investigated the knighthood of any ancestor. I'm positive that Mr. Childs knew more about that than I do. If someone can show that it's wrong it's an easy edit to just remove the prefix
John Ryves (Ryves-15) is married to Amye "Ann, Amy" Ryves formerly Harvey (Harvey-44) Harvey-44 is also married to John Mann aka Man (Mann-4941)
Ryve-1 is married to Amy Man formerly Harvy aka Ryff, Ryve (Harvy-5) Harvy -5 is also married to John Man (Man-117)
Man -117 is also married to Eleanor Man formerly Whytt aka White (Whytt -5) This is (in my opinion his correct first marriage) I don't think that they are duplicate Eleanors.
( sorry, I created John Mann-4941 linking him to Amy Ryves so inadvertently creating one duplicate profile. I found that there was an existing Eleanor Whytt linked to the others afterwards)
Not sure if need to propose all the necessary merges so have started with John Ryves as it is project protected.
There is an Inq, Post Mortem for a likely John Ryves dated 1547 to 1548. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7822969 His death date though can't be 20 October 1549 if will probated in 1547. That date is actually the date his father, Robert's will was written on. He doesn't seem to have had a knighthood (and died before his father) His grandson was (according to Hutchins) knighted in 1606
Also have proposed merge and this date differs from duplicate. see comment on Ryve-1