Stuck Again! (rambling/venting)

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I noticed something interesting recently, while trying to get a better grasp on who's who along one branch of my family tree (it felt like trying to differentiate between the Ptolemies with how often "William Barnett" came up). 

Double checking census data and cross referencing death/birth/marriage records, I kept fixating on how often the reported birth locations changed between, my 2xGreat and 3x grandparents.

Ordinarily, I'd just chalk that up to the individual reporting said information for another person, and the former not knowing the exact details. It happens-- whatever. Same with misspellings, or mistaking a letter written in cursive. 

I feel kind of dense, but when I finally started to scrutinize the ages in reference to census year for individuals that were giving me issues-- sure enough I found a concrete discrepancy. 

For example: [barnett-203] and the new [Barnett-11786]. The former, Mr. William Theodore: For the longest time, I had thought him to be my great-great grandfather. Afterall, the dates were accurate enough, the locations? Lined up with what I knew, and bonus (and perhaps my folly) there was already information and connections to who I knew definitely to be related to me. 

Turns out, it wasn't that simple. Not only was age just a bit off, but marriage data didn't line up. What I thought was a simple misreporting was, or likely is, different people entirely. It's just coincidence that their names are almost identical, and their general locations, professions are pretty much the same, also. 

I could still be wrong about this new discovery-- hell, it'd probably be a lot easier to be wrong. There's definitely more information about one William than the other. 

WikiTree profile: William Barnett
in The Tree House by Sydney Browder G2G1 (1.1k points)

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Sydney, I feel your pain. My great grandfather was named John Smith, enough said.
by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.7m points)
selected by Sydney Browder
Love your comment, wish we had a LOL emoji instead of just the Up Vote!  My pains are all 18th century Welsh men: multiple Edward Owen and Enoch Jones.  Best of luck to you on your John Smith search.
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Same same. At times, it feels like there was a list of about a dozen approved names for the last thousand years, and only half that for a given gender. But stiff upper lip, at least his name isn’t John Smith. 

What I tend to do in this situation is start to find as many sources as possible for that person. Census records can be helpful after 1850 if you look for all occurrences with that name and start sorting things out by the right family groups.

Then you can also look for probate records to help, or land ownership. 

I got really carried away and built a Research Worksheet Template if you want to try using that, it’s overkill, but that’s kinda the point of it. 

by Jonathan Crawford G2G6 Pilot (280k points)
Right? And no kidding! Much respect to anyone who maps out Smith families.

Thank you so much! I'll take a look at the worksheet-- anything helps! I haven't had too much luck yet with probate records, but I'm going to start on land ownership.
I am running a course that is half about genealogical methodology, and I just mentioned yesterday that according to Robert Charles Anderson, there were 21 John Smiths who had come to New England by 1640. Anderson's work is always impressive, but disambiguating 21 John Smiths who lived 400 years ago! That's really impressive!

(I was blessed with *two* Smith lines, and both of those have two of my more recent brick walls.)
Also look at tax records, and if possible for court records for jury list and any possible law suits they may have been involved with.
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If you include the family list with the census source, you can usually see the ages not going up in the regular intervals or the children are different or incorrect age increments, IF you are looking at census from different families.  

There are a lot of families where brothers called their kids the same names, so you have same names in the same area.  I have a GGF who has the same wife's name as his son, who is a Jr, so I have 2 families with the same husband and wife name (Jr wasn't always included) in the same location, and of course, the Jr has a son with the same name.  Only way to distinguish the census is with the family list.  In the earlier census, you can see the age of the family members to help distinguish those also.
by Linda Peterson G2G6 Pilot (781k points)
The 2 images that you have in that profile are both for the 1910 census, although one is labeled 1900.

These are for William Barnett-11786, b 1853 Arkansas, d 1912 Arkansas

1900 - Steel Township New Lewisville, Arkansas - "United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3FZ-F1H : accessed 12 February 2021), William Barnette, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 114, sheet 28A, family 564, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,240,064.

William Barnette
Head
Male
46
Arkansas
Wife
Female
44
Arkansas
Son
Male
26
Arkansas
Son
Male
15
Arkansas
Daughter
Female
11
Arkansas
Son
Male
8
Arkansas
Daughter
Female
6
Arkansas
Son
Male
4
Arkansas
Daughter
Female
21
Arkansas
Grandson
Male
1
Arkansas
1900 census has birth and marriage info, so that census in New Lewisville, matches children and ages to 1910, but 1900 census says that William Barnett was born Jan 1854 (doesn't match profile), married abt 1875 (close enough).  Sarah was born Feb 1856 (matches her profile), and states she has had 7 children, all living.

1900 census family list includes Robert, not Jack, as children and you would 'assume' both would have been with their parents in 1900, so that census may not be the correct one to match with those children.

Edited  - Robert in 1900 census above has birth date of Jan 1885, which doesn't match to birthdate for the attached child Robert.  Family search isn't showing another Robert Barnett with a birth year of 1885 with another William Barnett family in Arkansas in 1900.

"United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKV3-N9K : accessed 12 February 2021), William J Barnett, Steel Township, Lafayette, Arkansas, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 95, sheet 10B, family 187, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 53; FHL microfilm 1,374,066.

Different Page than you ancestry has so this may be the 'other' family. 

William J Barnett
Head
Male
56
Arkansas
Wife
Female
51
Arkansas
Son
Male
17
Arkansas
Daughter
Female
15
Arkansas
Son
Male
12
Arkansas
Daughter
Female
7
Arkansas
Son-in-law
Male
34
Texas
Daughter
Female
y
Arkansas
Granddaughter
Female
8
Texas

For William Barnett-203, b 1948 Missouri, d 1915 Texas.

1850 census states he was born in Arkansas

"United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M678-YHJ : 20 December 2020), William T Barnett in household of William Barnett, Washington, Arkansas, United States; citing family , NARA microfilm publication (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

Male
26
Arkansas
William T Barnett
Male
2
Arkansas
Female
26
Tennessee

And then 1860 census shows he was born in Misouri, so that is part of the confusion. 

"United States Census, 1860", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8W7-6PC : 10 November 2020), William T Barnett in entry for William Barnett, 1860.

Male
35
Arks.
Female
35
Ten.
William T Barnett
Male
12
Mo.
Female
9
Arks.
Female
7
Arks.
Female
4
Arks.
Female
2
Arks.
Male
0
Arks.
Female
14
Arks
For Barnett-203, you have 2 sisters both named Margaret.  That is not likely, since one did not die young.

1880 - Bowie, Texas - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFFG-KVT

W. F. Burnett
Self
Male
32
Missouri, United States
Wife
Female
26
Tennessee, United States
Son
Male
11
Arkansas, United States
Daughter
Female
6
Arkansas, United States
Son
Male
4
Arkansas, United States
Son
Male
2
Arkansas, United States
Brother
Male
20
Louisiana, United States

1900 Caldwell, Texas - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3LS-CGC

Daughter Dora should be in 1880, but doesn't look like she is. Dora is listed as born Jul 1879.

W T Barnett
Head
Male
52
Missouri
Wife
Female
46
Tennessee
Daughter
Female
21
Arkansas
Daughter
Female
15
Texas
Daughter
Female
13
Texas
Son
Male
10
Texas
Daughter
Female
8
Texas

First: I hugely appreciate you going through and checking through sources and talking through it! this is a massive help

Second: 

I was actually just looking at the Double Margaret issue, and I'm pretty sure that's a typo. One of the Margarets is likely Martha E from the 1860 Census

Clint Barnett is Jack; for whatever reason, he switches between the two names. I can't discern whether that's a middle name, but I know it as true as unlikely as it sounds. I've asked relatives first hand, and I also have some evidence on paper (not just these, but it's a good, quick example) 

I went to school with a guy who went by Blake, even though that wasn't his first or middle name. It was because he had the same name as his dad, and it was confusing, so at some point they "picked Blake" to make life easier for them. Could be something like that. Census takers aren't checking IDs.
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Try William Thompson during the colonial times, I believe that was the name of every 3rd person!
by Dean Thompson G2G4 (4.7k points)

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