Incorrectly dead before her time

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Hi, WikiTreers!

Someone included my mother on the Family Search tree 3 years ago and attached several personal records-including my brother's Vermont marriage license. My mother's story is very common- 70 years ago, she married an older gentleman who passed about 2000 at the age of 85. She herself is now in her 90s but in very good health.

I was able to see the name of the person who created the profile and I have no idea who she is or whether she is related to us or not. I have no idea if she is still active on that site so that she might respond to the note I sent asking her to employ the privacy settings and detach some of the records for our protection.

Please, in any case, be cautious while connecting records to public genealogy sites like Family Search or WikiTree. Scammers and ID theives don't need any help at all, so be careful not to make their dirty work easier for them. Be careful reading, writing and posting obituaries which link the deceased to living people-especially children.

Is anyone here familiar with Family Search policies for addressing people exposed by being incorrectedly posted as dead?

What do you consider the appropriate genealogical boundary between the deceased and the living? How do you protect other people from having their mother's maiden name exposed?
in The Tree House by Anonymous Reed G2G6 Pilot (183k points)
recategorized by Ellen Smith
Thanks for adding categories to my question, Ellen!

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Best answer
My mother was also listed as deceased on Family Search. I emailed Family Search not the person who added the records to her file telling them I was her daughter and she was living. They changed her profile to living and her profile has no sources attached. She is 93, so sources can certainly be found for her, and sources someone attached to my father, who is deceased, or her parents can be seen by anyone.
by Sue Knifley G2G6 Mach 3 (31.5k points)
selected by Anonymous Reed

Thanks Sue,

I'm pleased to report that Family Search has my mother back among the living. heart

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Here on WikiTree, if she was not deceased then her profile would be Unlisted and not visible to anyone unless they are on her Trusted List. This is maintained for 100 years ie the person would have to have been born in 1921 or earlier for them not to be Unlisted.

On FamilySearch, they tend to work to 120 years (or 95 years from marriage), so the person would have to have been born in 1900 or later to come under their privacy rules so that the person would not come up in searches etc.  If your mother had been listed as deceased, of course she would be visible on either site.

As far as a mother's maiden name being exposed, banks etc tend to suggest having anything else as your secret word.  After all, the DVLC, your doctor, and probably many other sites/people know your mother's maiden name!
by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (2.0m points)
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From an immediacy standpoint, if you find one of these situations, you should notify the PM of the mistake and ask for them to please update the profile appropriately. Typically these are honest mistakes and not intended to cause issues, even though the scenarios you mention above are conceivable. If the PM either is idle or slow to respond, you might just email the admins at info (at our address, wikitree.com) and ask for their assistance.

The policy on Living People is here. In most cases, profiles marked appropriately would be unlisted. However, in this case, this is most likely a simple mistake and someone presumed she had passed due to her age.

I don't believe we have an explicit policy that states that if a person is less than a certain age with no absolute proof of death that they must be listed as living, but there are general guidelines that various people follow. For example, UK Census data is held as private for 100 years. In Canada it is 92 years. In the US it is 72 years. So data being made public varies in different countries. In general, I'd imagine most people begin making assumptions around the age of 90+, with 100+ being even more likely, and from what I've seen, only in very rare circumstances would someone imagine that someone 110+ is still living. However, the oldest living person alive today is 119 years old, so in some cases, these assumptions are incorrect.

Regardless, I would simply ask for the mistake to be corrected, but it is an interesting proposition as to what date we should set as a general "guideline" for new or amateur genealogists to follow when guessimating whether a person is still living or not.

by Scott Fulkerson G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
We've already got a 'guideline'.  If the person you want to add was born before 1922 (a hundred years ago) you're good to go.  It does actually state this in the link you provided about 'Living People'.

And remember that this is a FamilySearch profile being asked about, so it doesn't have a PM.  There isn't even a profile for Anon's mother on WT, so no point writing to info@.
D'oh! I missed that - thanks for keeping me honest, Ros!

Although the point about assumptions is still accurate. People do rarely make it past 100, so once in awhile these things will happen. I've had to send up a request to FS admin to have them fix one once in awhile and they're generally responsive, although it can take a few days to get a response.
Honorable mention for both Scott and Ros for your detailed explanation on policies reguarding safe boundaries between living and the dead. I appreciate your time and feedback. Thank you!
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If you can see your mother's profile on FS it must list her as deceased. If your brother is living and his marriage licence is shown on a profile for him, that is also unacceptable.

I had the same situation on FS a few months ago, I contacted the person who created the profile on FS directly and the profile was edited very quickly.

 I also contacted FS on their support forum, and was told a group would research the person and get back to me in several days to several weeks.
by M Ross G2G6 Pilot (742k points)
Hi M,

Family Search has Mom back among the living. Thanks for the advice! I didn't even have to blow my cover- they took me at my word that I had spoken with her yesterday and she was alive and well...

Also no death record, and she was listed a few months ago in an obituary as a survivor of the deceased. The person who created her profile marked her as dead in 2019.

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