Saher (Quincy) de Quincy (abt. 1100 - abt. 1157)

Husband of Matilda (Senlis) de Quincy — married after 1136 in England

Descendants

Died about 1157 at about age 57 in England

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Biography

Saher de Quincy's parents, birth date and birth place are not known. The family probably originated in Cuinchy near Chocques in Normandy where his English overlord, Anselm de Chokes, came from.^[1][2]

Around the period 1124-1129 Saher is recorded as a tenant of Anselm de Chokes, holding land at Long Buckby, Northamptonshire^[1][2] (spelt "Long Buckley" by Keats-Rohan;^[3] Long Buckby is the modern spelling.)

In 1155-56 Henry II confirmed Saher's right to hold Long Buckby.^[2] Saher was said by Magna Carta Surety Baron Saher de Quincy, Earl of Winchester to have held the advowson of Wimpole, Cambridgeshire at about this time.^[2] He died very soon after: an 1157 entry in the Pipe Rolls named his son Saher as newly holding land in Northamptonshire.^[4]

Marriage and Children

After 1136 Saher married Maud de St Liz/Senlis, daughter of Simon de St Liz/Senlis^[2] and widow of Robert de Clare.^[3][4][5] They had at least three children:

• Saher^[2][3][4][5]
• Robert^[2][3][4][5]

They probably had one other daughter:

• Alice, who married Roger de Huntingfield^[6][7]

Simon died probably in about 1157, when the Pipe Rolls record his son inheriting some of his lands.^[4]

Research Notes

Possible Daughter Jueta

Keats-Rohan suggests that Jueta who married Robert FitzLancelin may possibly have been a daughter of the Saher de Quincy of this profile. Her basis for this is that Saher's son Saher restored a knight's fee at Childerley, Cambridgeshire to Jueta's son William and grandson Rainald/Reginald.^[3][4] The charter confirming this is also cited in Farrer's Honors and Knights' Fees,^[8] but Farrer does not name Jueta's parents, and Keats-Rohan's tentative identification of them must be regarded as very uncertain.

Douglas Richardson

Douglas Richardson's entry for Maud de Senlis in Royal Ancestry conflates the Saher of this profile with his son of the same first name.^[5]

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1} Lewis C Lloyd. The Origins of some Anglo-Norman Families, Harleian Society, 1951, reprinted by the Genealogical Publishing Company, 1975, p. 84
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6} G E Cokayne. The Complete Peerage, revised edition, Vol XII, Part II, St Catherine Press, 1916, pp. 745-746, viewable on Familysearch
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4} K S B Keats-Rohan. Domesday Descendants, The Boydell press, 2002, p. 652
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5} Charles Cawley. SAHER I de Quincy, entry in "Medieval Lands" database (accessed 1 October 2021)
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3} Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), Vol. II, pp. 644-645, FITZ WALTER 4
6. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, pp. 373-374, discussion in footnote to HUNTINGFIELD 5
7. ↑ Douglas Richardson post of 17 December 2002 on soc.genealogy.medieval in the thread Alice de Senlis (d. 1204)
8. ↑ William Farrer. Honors and Knights' Fees, Vol. II, Manchester University Press, 1925, pp. 352-353