John Ogle (abt. 1649 - 1683)

Born about 1649 in England

Ancestors

Husband of Elisabeth Petersdotter Jochimson — married before Dec 1671 in UNPROVEN [uncertain]

Descendants

Died 1683 at about age 34 in Delaware

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John Ogle of Delaware

John Ogall (Ogell)^[1] or John Ogle of Delaware^[2][3][4]

(disputed) bp. 30 Sep 1649 Berwick-upon-Tweed^[5][6][7]

abt. age 32 on 27 Aug 1680.^[3]

d. 1683^[8]

parents: unknown.^[1][4]

13 Sep 1664: Sailed to Delaware on either the Guinney or the William & Nichols.[9] Arrived 30 Sep 1664.^[9][10]

m. by 31 Dec 1671 Elizabeth _____.^[11]

Biography

This profile is part of the Ogle Name Study.

John Ogle migrated from England to New Netherland.

Disputed Parents

The parents of John Ogle of Delaware are UNKNOWN. Research by Hibbard followed the earlier work of Todd, which resulted in two popular theories but others exist^[12]

Hibbard's Theory

Wikitree.com -- Some genealogists follow the early 1960's research of Francis J. Hibbard, and think that "John Ogle of Delaware" is the son of Cpt. John Ogall, who baptized an unknown child on 30 September 1649 at Berwick-upon-Tweed, co. Northumb., England.[[10] Based on this, some believe that John of Delaware has ties with the Ogles of Eglingham.^[4]

As such, the idea that John's parents might be Cpt. John Ogle and Eleanor Pringle, is now one of two main theories of his lineage.^[4][1][6][3] If true, his grandparents are Henry Ogle of Eglingham and Jane Forster from Whitehouse. The fact that Henry's nephew, the Rev. Luke Ogle, held Berwick has also played a hand in rationalizing the baptism's location.

Todd's Theory

The other big theory is based on the work of Dr. Simeon S. Todd (d. 1899), who believed that John's parents were Thomas Ogle and Ann Ashton.^[13]

If true, then John is still a direct descendant of Sir Robert Ogle and Maud Grey, through their second son John "Sinfrid" Ogle, esq. (abt. 1408 - 1506) and his wife, Margaret Booth.^[4]

Nevertheless, there are still many other theories, and none have proven to reveal the identity of John's parents.^[14]

Disputed Wife

John's wife, Elizabeth, is another missing piece to the puzzle, since her parents remain unknown. In the past some believed she was the daughter of Thomas Wollaston.^[15] In the 1990s, Dr. Peter Stebbins Craig, thought her father could have been [[Jochimsson-1|Peter Jochimsson]. Both of these theories are disputed.

In any case, it's common to see genealogies state that Elizabeth was born around 1650. Ironically, this weakens the idea that she was a Wollastan ... because it would mean that she was born before her father shipped off to war, by a decade and a half. It also creates another problem...

According to the 1671 Census of the Delaware, Thomas Wollaston was single. He married sometime after that, but before 1678. His two daughters were also born after 1671, but before 1680. So how could John Ogle be married to either of them by the close of 1671 ... let alone have children with either one of them, before that time?^[11]

Inevitably, this strengthens the case for Craig's theory, which considers Elisabeth Petersdotter (b. c.1654), as a plausible wife, but there's a major problem ... There is no proof that Peter Yochim ever had a daughter named, Elizabeth.^[16]

Children

John Ogle of Delaware and his wife Elizabeth, had two (2) proven sons:

• Thomas^[17]
• John (dsp).^[17][18]

Descent is through Thomas Ogle. Note that Blackburn & Welfy (1906), insert a third son William into the line, but there's no proof for his existence.

War

While highly literate for the standards of his day,^[16] John's rank and social status remain a mystery... But we do know that in 1664, John Ogle was a Red Coat. Sent to the Delaware River, the royal preogative to end Dutch rule turned bloody.

New Castle settlers were plundered and brutalized. Homes burned and land was stolen. The rogue troops even sold off Dutch soldiers and citizens as slaves.

Some blame Carr and Ensign Hook for the "storming party." Col. Nicolls certainly didn't approve. But at the end of the day, it was the future James II -- Duke of York and Albany -- who made the most gains. After all, he was the one who demanded total "conquest of the New Netherlands."

In short, the Dutch were terrorized by the English crown. No. It's not a pretty story. But that's how it went down. And for John ... life was just getting started.

Colonialism

According to Scharf (1888), he started living in New Castle around 1667 ... laid down roots with Elizabeth, and quit that red coat. We don't know much about the wife ... But we do know that she was widowed, and outlived him by almost thirty years.

Death

Court documentation from Wm. Welch detailing George Talbot's illegal homestead on Elizabeth's property, shows that John died in 1684. His sons Thomas and John went on to inherit his land. ... and buy a lot more. None of it remains in Ogle hands but today, many American Ogles trace their line back to this Colonial family. And that's why he's remembered as "John of Delaware."

John's wife Elizabeth was granted administration of his estate on 19 Feb 1683/4.^[19]

Property

Primary Source Verifying Age

"on 25 August 1680 Thomas Wollaston of White Clay Creek, Delaware, wrote a letter to John Briggs of West Jersey which he gave to John Ogle for delivery. ... Ogle made the journey and in New York he made an affidavit on 27 August 1680 stating his age thirty two or thereabouts."^[15]

"John Briggs:

Sir I have been sent by the bearer hereof John Ogle your bill which you ordered me to take up from the tailor William Johnson, which you may be so kind to take it to consideration that I have been out of my money for near three years.

You say you paid Mr. Shakerly onejj of tobacco. You cannot make it appear, for Mr. Shakerly told me at his coming from your house to New Castle ... sufficient witness that he had not received one pound and likewise you sent by Mr Hambleton that I could send from under my hand that tobacco, which I did, hoping that you would have been so civil as to have pay it to Mr. Hambleton who I ordered to receive it, therefore, I would desire you to pay it to the bearer or give him a new bill in my name to pay next fall in tobacco or pork according to your promise or else send me your answer for I will take some other course for I will not be kept out of my money much longer.

No more at present,

respectfully your,

Tho. Wollaston,

White Clay Creek

August 25 1680.

John Ogle aged thirty two or thereabouts, declareth upon ... that he did nevere receive of John Shakerly any part or parcel upon the account of John Briggs and order further sayeth not. John Ogle sworne the 27th day of August before me.

Tra. Whitwell."

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2} Hibbard, F.H. (1967). The English Origin of John Ogle, First of the Name in Delaware. FamilySearch.org. eBook.
2. ↑ Wilkerson, C, (n.d.). WFT no. 3, Family no. 5025: Robbins, Wolf, Yocum (Steelman). CD.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2} It's often assumed that this John Ogall (Ogell) is the same John Ogle of Delaware. This is based on Hibbard's (1967) research, which has been noted to be circumstantial since there is no hard evidence outside of John Ogle's statement that he was about 32 years old in an affidavit he signed on 27 Aug 1680.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4} For 12 other theories on the parents of John Ogle of Delaware; and explanation of the birth certificate's failure to identify the name or gender of the child being baptized (see Ogle & Engler, 2012, p. I-199).[1]
5. ↑ Hibbard, 1967, p. 7 - 7a

   Hibbard, F.H. (1967). The English Origin of John Ogle, First of the Name in Delaware. FamilySearch.org. eBook.

6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1} "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Ogell, 30 Sep 1649); FHL microfilm 94,987, 94,988.[2]
7. ↑ According to Flynn (1996), Rev. Luke Ogle of Berwick and Bowsden (1630 - Aug 1696) performed the baptism. The reverend was actually working at Inghram at this time. He was not the vicar of Berwick until 1655.
8. ↑ Hibbard, 1967, p.14

   Hibbard, F.H. (1967). The English Origin of John Ogle, First of the Name in Delaware. FamilySearch.org. eBook.

9. ↑ See Carr's Commission to Delaware.
10. ↑ Wiley, 1894, p.35
11. ↑ ^{11.0 11.1} 1671 Census of the Delaware
12. ↑ see Ogle & Engler, 2012
13. ↑ Ogle, R.W. & Engler, J.F. (2012). Looking Back at the Ogle Family: A Comprehensive History and Genealogy of the Ogle Families in America, 1, p. 199. Seattle, WA: The Genealogy Printing Co. www.ogles.org. Print.[3]
14. ↑ Ogle & Engler, (2012), state that, "William J. McIntosh recorded 13 different theories," for John's parents (p. 199).[4]
    • For instance ... another researcher recently suggested we start with the lineage of Nicholas Ogle, and Michael -- brother of Mark and Cuthbert Ogle. ... of the Hall line.[5]
15. ↑ ^{15.0 15.1} Flynn, 1996, p.1-2

    Flynn, J.M. (1996, March 7). The Ogle Family. FamilySearch.org. Ebook.

16. ↑ ^{16.0 16.1} Ogle & Engler, 2012.[6]
17. ↑ ^{17.0 17.1} Blackburn, E. H. & Welfley, W.H. (1906). History of Bedford and Somerset Counties, Pennsylvania, with genealogical and personal history, III, pp.10. NY: Lewis Publishing Co. archive.org.
18. ↑ Flynn, J.M. (1996, March 7). The Ogle Family. FamilySearch.org. Ebook.
    The research of Dr. Simeon Todd was revised after it was shown that John II Ogle had no children (oglekin.org).
19. ↑ "Estate of John Ogle, 1683/4." The Ogle Genealogist, 11, pp. 8-39. O/OFA. www.ogles.org. Print.[7]
20. ↑ ^{20.0 20.1 20.2 20.3 20.4 20.5 20.6 20.7 20.8 20.9} Scharf, J. T. (1888). "White Clay Creek Hundred." History of Delaware: 1609-1888, (Vol. II, pp.932-948). Philadelphia: L. J. Richards. Google Books. Web. 7 Jan. 2014.
21. ↑ Land granted by the Duke of York to John Ogle in 1684 for military service. See map (Baumgardt, 2015)

• Baumgardt, K. (2015). "1752 plat of Eagle's Point." Along Delaware's Old Post Road, (pp.90). Arcadia Publishing. Google Books.
• Craig, P.S. (1999). 1671 Census of the Delaware, (pp.68). PDF.
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• Frist, W. H. & Wilson, S. (2003). "Part III: The Garrettsons of New Castle County, Delaware." Good People Beget Good People: A Genealogy of the Frist Family, pp.222. Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield. Google Books. Web. 7 Jan. 2014.
• Hastings, H. (1902). Documents of the Senate of the State of New York. One hundred and twenty-fifth session. Vol. XIV, 32(6). Albany, NY: J.B. Lyon Compnay, State Printers. Google Books. Web. 09 Jan 2014.
• Holy Trinity Parish: Volume A, 1574 - 1700. Parish Registers of Berwick-upon-Tweed. (original birth certficate record).
• John Ogell, 30 Sep 1649. FHL microfilm 94987, 94988; citing BERWICK UPON TWEED, NORTHUMB.[11]
• "Lord Baltimore again," (1899). Biographical and Genealogical History of the State of Delaware, 1, pp. 48. J.M. Runk. Google Books.
• Ogle, R.W. & Engler, J.F. (2012). Looking Back at the Ogle Family: A Comprehensive History and Genealogy of the Ogle Families in America, (Vol. 1). Seattle, WA: The Genealogy Printing Co. www.ogles.org. Print.[12]
• Original Land Titles in Delaware Commonly Known as the Duke of York Record: Being an Authorized Transcript from the Official Archives of the State of Delaware, and Comprising the Letters Patent, Permits, Commissions, Surveys, Plats and Confirmation by the Duke of York and Other High Officials, from 1646 to 1679 (1903). Wilmington, DE: Sunday Star Print. Google Books. Web. 8 Jan. 2014.
• Wiley, S.T. & Winfield, S.G. (1894). "Aboriginal Inhabitants - Dutch Occupation - Swedish Settlement - Dutch Invasion - English Conquest and Erection of Upland County." Biographical and Historical Cyclopedia of Delaware County, Pennsylvania: Comprising a Historical Sketch of the County, pp.27-40. Richmond: Gresham. Google Books. Web. 07 Jan 2014.

See Also...

• "Genealogy of John Ogle, the Kings Soldier." Ogle Kin. Ogle Information Systems, 24 Jan. 2010. Web. 11 Jan. 2014.
• Older, Curtis L. "Documentation for Thomas Ogle (1666 to 1734)." The Documented Genealogy of Curtis Lynn Older. N.p., 2010. Web. 07 Jan. 2014.
• "Who Was John Ogle's Father." Ogle Kin. Ogle Information Systems, 16 Sept. 2013. Web. 11 Jan. 2014.
• Wikipedia: Ogles Family. See Ogle's of Eglingham

• www.smokeykin.com : gives alt descent line and adds children based on 19th century research via son John II (dsp).
• McCarter, E. & McCarter, B. "John (of Delaware) Ogle." Ancestor Archives, Oct. 2006. Web. 07 Jan. 2014.