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Maud Fitz Hugh (Avranches) d'Avranches (abt. 1068)

Maud Fitz Hugh d'Avranches formerly Avranches
Born about in Chester, Cheshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died [date unknown] in Englandmap
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Biography

No evidence in any reliable source has been found for the existence of a woman named Maud d'Avranches.

An example of Maud's existence in popular genealogy is a profile on Ancestry.com for "Matilda Lupus," daughter of "Hugh Lupus", in which "Lupus" (Wolf), a nickname for Maud's supposed father Hugh d'Avranches has been made into a surname for both. [1]

Research Notes

Was Maud/Matilda the daughter of Hugh d'Avranches?

Some genealogies show Maud as the daughter of Hugh d'Avranches, either legitimately through his wife Ermentrude or illegitimately through one of his many mistresses. In addition, some give her a birth year of 1068 in Chester.

There is no mention of Hugh, the first Earl of Chester having a daughter named Matilda in Helsby's edition of Ormerod's History of the County Palatine and City of Chester,[2]

There is also no mention in Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands database.[3]

By making Hugh Lupus d'Avranches her father, popular genealogies show his other children as her siblings:

  • Tanglust FitzHugh;
  • Helga d'Avranches who married Lathom;
  • Robert FitzHugh;
  • William Smyth de Caryngton;
  • Geva d'Avranches who married de Ridel; and
  • Richard d'Avranches, his parent's legitimate heir, and later Earl of Chester;

Logic works against her existence

When Richard d'Avranches, Earl of Chester, died in 1119, his cousin inherited the earldom. If Maud was his legitimate sister wouldn't she, or if she was dead, one of her sons, have inherited the earldom? Therefore, if Maud existed, she wasn't the daughter of Earl Hugh's only documented wife, Ermentrude de Clermont.[3]

Did Maud d'Avranches marry Harold FitzRalph, Earl of Hereford?

Many popular genealogies show Maud married to Harold FitzRalph, some giving a date of 1084. No evidence has been found for this, and she has been disconnected from him as her husband.

The wife of Harold de Ewias of Ewias Harold, Herefordshire, son of Raoul de Mantes Earl of Hereford and his wife Gytha, is unknown.

Harold had five sons: Robert de Ewias; Roger; John de Sudeley; Alexander de Ewias; and William de Ewias, and they have been disconnected as her children.[4]

Sources

  1. Ancestry.com. Self-published Family Tree Accessed 31 May 2023 jhd
  2. George Ormerod, Esq, LLD, FRS & FSA, "Containing the Introduction and Prolegomena, the county of the city of Chester and Bucklow Hundred", The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester; Compiled from Original Evidences in Public Offices, the Harleian and Cottonian MSS, Parochial Registers, Private Muniments, Unpublished Ms Collections of Successive Cheshire Antiquaries, and a Personal Survey of Every Township in the County; incorporated with a republication of King's Vale royal, and Leycester's Cheshire antiquities, 2nd Edition, Ed. Thomas Helsby, Esq, Vol. I, (London: George Routledge and Sons, 1882), accessed 16 March 2015, pp.9-49.
  3. 3.0 3.1 Cawley, Charles, "HUGUES d'Avranches, EARLS of CHESTER 1071-1120 (AVRANCHES), Medieval Lands, 2006-15, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#HuguesAvranchesdied1101 16 March 2015
  4. Cawley, Charles, "Harold de Ewias (Ewias), Medieval Lands, 2006-15, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3D-K.htm#HaroldEwiasidiedafter1100B 16 March 2015




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I disagree with the assertion that logic works against her existence because she did not inherit the earldom. Women, in general, could not claim the inheritance of an earldom - albeit women could claim the inheritance of a barony. Sounds convoluted? Yep, But that is the inheritance of royal titles has worked in England. On top of this, you can infer that the male of the family would be willing to fight wars to claim the inheritance of an earldom--even if, his sister was the legitimate heir; the male would be the one who could lead an army to fight for it. It is also logical to assume that Harold FitzRalph de Sudeley would be able to marry the daughter of a earl, such as Hugh d'Avranches. The Avranches are listed among the nobles who accompanied King William from Normandy before the victory at the Battle of Hastings in 1066. The historical narrative about this period in history is about "warring brothers." So, to find irregularities of some sort (i,e. omissions - someone not mentioned) does not wholly invalidate the claim of Harold FitzRalph de Sudeley [being married] to the daughter (legitimate or illegitimate) of Hugh d'Avranches, which could have been an alliance with a noble of England in the time of King Harold by a noble from the time of King William (marriages in this time were alliances).
posted by David Xaviel
edited by David Xaviel
You may be very right in questioning this particular assertion -- however, the bigger issue is that no evidence has been found in reliable sources for Maud's existence itself either as the daughter of Hugh Lupus d'Avranches or the wife of Harold FitzRalph, so I have proposed her for "Disproven Existence" status. Uncovering good evidence that was previously unknown does happen from time to time, and if her existence can be demonstrated with reliable sources, the disproven existence status can be removed.
posted by Jack Day
From thepeerage.com, Matilda d'Avranches, Dame du Sap was the daughter of Robert d'Avranches. 1. She married William de Crucy. 2 She married Robert fitz Edith, Baron of Okenhampton, son of Henry I 'Beauclerc', King of England and Edith Sigulfson. This does not suggest she was the wife of Harold. Sources: Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 48. Also: Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1122.
posted by Robert Duncan
Regrettably, these sources, while useful as clues for further research, are not reliable sources when the existence of a person has been questioned.
posted by Jack Day
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There is no evidence to support his marriage to Maud d'Avranches.

Harold de Sudeley, born at Sudeley Castle, Gloucestershire, England about 1050 and was the son of Raoul I de Mantes and Gytha de Clapa or Clopa. His parents died when he was a young boy and was made a ward to King Edward's widow, Edith. They were all closely connected because his father, Raoul came to England with Edward the Confessor in 1041 to take up his kingship of England after Edward had been in exile in France.

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