Mabel (Bellême) de Montgomery
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Mabile (Bellême) de Montgomery (abt. 1026 - abt. 1079)

Mabile (Mabel) de Montgomery formerly Bellême aka Talvas
Born about in Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 1048 in Perche, Francemap
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 53 in Bures-sur-Dives, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, Francemap
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Biography

Mabel 'l'Empoisonneuse' de Montgomery (born de Talvas), dame de Bellême Geni World Family Tree Birth: Between 1015 and 1026 - Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France Death: Dec 2 1079 - Bures-sur-Dives, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France Father: Guillaume I de Bellême, comte de Bellesme et Alencon Mother: Haberga "Hildeburge" de Beaumont Husband: Roger 1st Earl of Shrewsbury de Montgomery (born de Montgomerie), Sire d'Alençon. Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury Children: Mabel de Montgomery, Maud Matilda de Montgomery, Comtesse consort de Mortain, Hugues (Hugh) de Montgomery (born de Montgomerie), 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, Rissa de Montgomery, Ameria de Montgomery, Robert (Earl of Shrewsbury) de Montgomerie (born de Montgomery), 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury and Arundel, Phillip 'The Grammarian' de Montgommery, Crusader, Roger 'le Poitevin' de Montgomery, comte de la Marche, Sibyll Sybil de Montgomery, Ponce de Montgomery, Marche, Emma de Montgomery, Abbess of Almenchêches, Maurice Montgomery, Arnould Cimbricus de Montgomery (born de Montgommery) Sibling: Arnoul de Bellême

First wife of Roger [II] de Montgomery, son of Roger [I], Seigneur de Montgomery. She bore him 10 children. Mabel was said to be an extremely strong willed woman, shrewd, politically adept, but also cruel.

She was murdered at Bures Castle by one Hugh Bunel and his accomplices. Her son, Hugh de Montgomery who was at Bures Castle when she was murdered there, pursued them in vain, they having broken down the bridges behind them as they fled. The pursuit was further hindered by the winter floods.

Children

Maud (Matilda} de Montgomery, Comtesse consort de Mortain, b. c 1064

Hugues (Hugh) de Montgomery (born de Montgomerie), 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, b. c 1042, d. 1098

Rissa de Montgomery, b. c 1044, d. c 1090

Ameria Emma de Montgomery, Abbess of Almenchêches, b. c 1045, d. 1077

Robert (Earl of Shrewsbury) de Montgomerie (born de Montgomery), 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury and Arundel, b. c 1052, d. c 1131

Phillip 'The Grammarian' de Montgomery, Crusader, b. c1056, d. c1099

Roger 'le Poitevin' de Montgomery, comte de la Marche, b. c 1058, d. c 1153

Sibyll Sybil de Montgomery, Ponce de Montgomery, Marche, b.c 1058, d. c 1107

Emma de Montgomery, Abbess of Almenchêches,

Maurice Montgomery, b. c 1065

Arnould Cimbricus de Montgomery (born de Montgommery), b. c 1066, d. c 1125

Sources

Citation text:

Mabel 'l'Empoisonneuse' de Montgomery (born de Talvas), dame de Bellême Alias name: Mabel Talvas d'Alencon, Mabel de Talvas, Mabile, "Mabel /Talvas"/, Mabel, Mabel Talvas Gender: Female Birth: Between 1015 and 1026 - Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France Occupation: Comtesse, d'Alençon, de Bellême, de Sées, Countess of Shrewsbury, Bitch, Dame de Alençon, de Séez, and Bellême, Countess of Shrewsbury and Lady of Arundel Marriage: Spouse: Roger 1st Earl of Shrewsbury de Montgomery (born de Montgomerie), Sire d'Alençon. Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury - 1048 - Perche, France Death: Dec 2 1079 - Bures-sur-Dives, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France Burial: Dec 5 1079 - Troarn, Basse-Normandie, France Father: Guillaume I de Bellême, comte de Bellesme et Alencon Mother: Haberga "Hildeburge" de Beaumont Husband: Roger 1st Earl of Shrewsbury de Montgomery (born de Montgomerie), Sire d'Alençon. Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury Children: Mabel de Montgomery, Maud Matilda de Montgomery, Comtesse consort de Mortain, Hugues (Hugh) de Montgomery (born de Montgomerie), 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, Rissa de Montgomery, Ameria de Montgomery, Robert (Earl of Shrewsbury) de Montgomerie (born de Montgomery), 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury and Arundel, Phillip 'The Grammarian' de Montgommery, Crusader, Roger 'le Poitevin' de Montgomery, comte de la Marche, Sibyll Sybil de Montgomery, Ponce de Montgomery, Marche, Emma de Montgomery, Abbess of Almenchêches, Maurice Montgomery, Arnould Cimbricus de Montgomery (born de Montgommery) Sibling: Arnoul de Bellême

Source: Geni World Family Tree URL: http://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-40000/geni-world-family-tree?s=178346832&itemId=6519274&action=showRecord&indId=individual-178346832-1500398 Confidence: Direct and primary evidence





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Thanks.

Found it in archive.org... I'll look into trying to figure out what specifically the link was meant to go to & see if it's still in MedLands.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160119104127/https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc254886762

update

close, but not the entry captured by the WayBack Machine (which is her as daughter of Guill- https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#_Toc127521369

B. COMTES de PONTHIEU (BELLÊME-MONTGOMMERY)

ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême", son of ROGER [II] de Montgommery Earl of Shrewsbury & his first wife Mabile d'Alençon ([1052/56]-[Wareham Castle] 8 May [after 1129], bur [Wareham Castle]). Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[738]....

found it - see Mabli at https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#_ftnref61

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
also see my Comment on Montgomery-543
posted by [Living Scott]
Her name should be Mabel de Alençon as they had Place names in this Time Frame not Surnames and she was also Guy de Bailleul's Husband also, Guy and Roger may have been the same Person being Guy Roger de Montgomery https://www.geni.com/people/Count-Guy-de-Bailleul/6000000005597624682

this is also supported by my YDNA Results and Montgomery YDNA Match my Scott Line is Descended from the Balliol Family my wikitree Profile is Scott-9507 my ID at YFULL is YF09886 here notice it says France Nord beside my ID https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y34170/ notice TMRCA (Time to Most Rescent Common Ancestor 950 Years (YBP) see this Screen Shot of My YDNA Montgomery Match https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Balliol-25 See my Kit 510220 here in the Montgomery YDNA Group STR Results here https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Montgomery?iframe=ycolorized

Some of my SNP'S can be viewed on the SNP Results Page of that group notice i am Positive for DF49 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Montgomery?iframe=ysnp FTDNA is doing a BIG Y Upgrade so SNP'S for my big Y Results will not be visible until second week of November here is some alternate Geography info for DF49 https://yhrd.org/tools/branch/R1b-DF49

posted by [Living Scott]
Ponce is not her daughter. She was born years after both her parents died. Could she be part of the family listed on page 24 of this source:

https://archive.org/stream/genealogicalhist00mont#page/24/mode/2up

posted by Pat (Fuller) Credit
MABILE d'Alençon, daughter of GUILLAUME "Talvas" Seigneur d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge [1]
posted by Shelley Freestone

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