Investigation needed ... I found on daughter Petronilla's page and posted herein the text and sources below ... afterwards discovering that this info conflicts (re: the mother of Maud, who m. de Ros), with Richardson and BHO, which both state that her mother was Joan _____, widow of Roger de Gyney, rather than Sibyl.[1][2]
John deVaux died in 1288, the 16th Year of the Reign of Edward I. 1288.
By his Wife Sybill, he left two Daughters, between whom his vast Pofief-
fions, amounting to no less than Forty-four Knights' Fees, were divided.
Petronilla, the eldest, married William de Nerford, whose Heirs
afterwards married into the Family of Dacres.
Maud, the second Daughter, became the Wife of William de Ros,
Ancestor to the present Duke of Rutland.
John de Vaux bore for his Arms, "Argent, an Escutcheon between
Eight Martlets Gules".
Lots of sources shown on Petronilla's profile (added below), but I know not from which the above is quoted.
↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), page 448
↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), page 448
"Baldwin de Gisney was living in the 8th year of that King [King John]...; by Maud his wife, he was father of Roger de Gisneia, lord of this manor in the 18th of Henry III.... married Joan, daughter of - - - - - - - - - -, sister and coheir of Sir Peter de Pelevile, (who remarried Sir John de Vaux,) and by her had Sir William de Gyney, his son and heir, and Sir Roger, who married Margaret, daughter of William Peche, and in her right was lord of Brandeston..."
Rymer's Ftedera, vol. ii. p. 23 and 1087.
XI ibid. p. 74, 190, 199 and 288.
Dugdale's Baronage.
Sphere of Gentry, by Silvanus Morgan, p. 64.
Monasticon Anglicanum, vol. ii. p. 897.
ACCOUNT OF THE FAMILY OF VAUX, VANS, OR DE VALLIBUS. 1800
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The only reference I have found for the surname Longchamps is from her husbands mother being the widow of William Longchamps as per John Burke’s Heraldic Dictionary page 548. (Her name also according to en. Wikipedia and everywhere else I look is spelt Sybilla).
D. Richardson in Feb 2017 post to Soc. Gen. Medieval, cites publice records to show that chronologically the mother of both Pernel(Petronilla) and Maud de Vaux must have been Sibyl ___, not Joan de Pelevile, widow of Roger Gyney. No mention made of Sibyl's surname being Longchamps, however.
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Is there verifiable sources?
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Thanks, Liz