Warin (Munchensy) de Munchensy

Born [date unknown] in Edwardstone, Suffolk, England

Descendants

Died before 1162 in Norfolk, England

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Biography

Gilbert confirmed his father's grant to Abingdon around 1120/21, and attested in other documents as a brother of Hubert and Hugh.^[1]

Warin was the founder of the younger branch of this family, based in Norfolk and associated with the estate of Swanscombe. With his brother, Hubert, he witnessed the foundation charter of Buckenham Priory about 1151. With his marriage to Agnes, part of the great Lacy estates and the Talbot fee came to his descendants.^[2]

Through his own ancestry Warin seems to have inherited lands of the Domesday lord of Godric dapifer.^[3]

It has been proposed that Warin's father Hubert married a daughter of Godric.^[4]

Other lands came to him from his wife, Agnes the daughter of Payn fitz John. (Complete Peerage argues that Warin's wife's mother, sometimes called Sybil de Lacy, was actually the daughter of Geoffrey Talbot by Agnes de Lacy, a sister of Hugh II de Lacy. This explains how Warin's family acquired Talbot lands.) Children that Warin had with Agnes include the following according to Complete Peerage:

• Ralph. Son and heir of Warin, His own heir was his brother William.
• William, was heir to his brother Ralph.
• Hubert de Munchensy, a clerk.
• Alice, who possibly married Robert de Mortimer.

Complete Peerage states as follows about the end of Warin's life:

"Warin d. in or before 1162, when his relict was Wife of Haldenald DE BIDUN, whom she survived. In 1185 she was a widow, said to be aged 60, with 3 sons, Sir Ralph and Sir William de Munchensy, knights, and Hubert de Munchensy, a clerk. She appears to have d. between Mich. 1190 and Mich. 1191."

Sources

1. ↑ G.H. Fowler, "Montchensi of Edwardstone and some kinsmen", Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, fifth series, 9 (1935-37).
2. ↑ Cockayne et al. Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 9. "MUNCHENSY or MUNCHANESY OF EDWARDSTONE" (p.411); "MUNCHENSY OF NORFOLK" (p.418).
3. ↑ Complete Peerage, pp. 411-412, footnote h:

   The Inquest as to Knights’ Fees in 1212 found that Willelmus de Monte Caniso tenuit Gurreston [Gooderstone] ... et fuit quondam dominicum Regis, et data fuit antecessoribus [a not uncommon description of Henry I in official records of the time of King John] (Book of Fees, p. 129)

4. ↑ Complete Peerage, p.418, footnote h:

   In 1166 the Bishop of Ely returned that the son of Hubert de Munchensy held of him as a knight in Norfolk of the old feoffment (Red Book of the Exechequer, p. 364.). Warin de Munchensy was dead already in 1162, so the statement is not exactly accurate if made in 1166; but in 1185 his [Warin's] widow Agnes had Bergh of the fee of Ely, and held Holkham (of which Hubert de Munchensy had granted the tithes - see MUNCHENSY OF EDWARDSTONE, p.413, note “b”) of her son, the heir of Warin de Munchensy (Rot. de Dominabus, Pipe Roll Soc., pp. 50, 54). In 1227 his grandson Warin claimed that his ancestors had held Winfarthing, Norfolk, from the time of the Conquest. Domesday shows that Winfarthing was one of the manors of the royal demesne of which Godric was steward.

   Also see Fowler's remarks and pedigree.