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Marguerite (Orgemont) de Montmorency (abt. 1415 - aft. 1481)

Marguerite de Montmorency formerly Orgemont
Born about in Nivelles, Nord, Francemap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died after after about age 66 in Francemap
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Biography

Marguerite d'Orgemont, fille de Pierre II d'Orgemont et de Jacqueline Paynel; veuve de Guillaume de Broullart, seigneur de Badonville, épouse de Jean, seigneur de Montmorency, vers 1449[1].

Research notes

De Chesne

This is what De Chesne says of her family:

  • Her father was Pierre II d'Orgemont, knight, seigneur de Chantilly; son of Amaury d'Orgemont seigneur de Chantilly and Marie de Paillart, dame de Thorigny & Lisy-sur-Ourcq. Marie de Paillart was the daughter of Philibert de Paillart, knight, and Jeanne de Dormans. Amaury d'Orgemont was the son of Pierre I d'Orgemont.
  • Her mother was Jacqueline Paynel, daughter of Guillaume Paynel, seigneur de Hambuye. Jacqueline Paynel married secondly, Jean de Fayel, vicomte de Breteuil.
  • Her brother was Pierre III d'Orgemont, seigneur de Chantilly. He married (Nov 11, 1422) Marie de Roye, daughter of Mathieu de Roye and Marguerite de Guistelles. Pierre had no children; this is how the Montmorency family inherited Chantilly.

Her first husband was Guillaume de Broullart, seigneur de Badonville. They had several children including:

  • Guillaume de Broullart, seigneur de Badonville
  • Jacqueline, married (Aug 3, 1452) Louis de Vieuxpont seigneur de Courville
  • Marie, wife of Colart Gourle, knight, seigneur de Monsures
  • Jeanne, married Gaucher de Doulcigny baron de Broyes, lord of St Quentin le Verger in Champagne.

Her first husband died around 1453. She married Jean de Montmorency before May 3, 1455. They had three children:

  • Guillaume, seigneur de Montmorency
  • Philippe, married 1st. Charles de Melun and 2nd. Guillaume Gouffier, widower of Louise d'Amboise (Guillaume Gouffier and Philippe de Montmorency had 6 sons and 3 daughters: Artus, Guillaume, Adrian, Emar, Louis, Pierre, Anne, Charlotte, Catherine).
  • Marguerite, married Nicolas "Colart" d'Anglure, seigneur de Bourlaimont etc.

She made her testament on 3 March 1481.

Nothing on her birth place.

Schwennicke

Schwennicke in Europaische Stammtaflen, Band XIV, Tafel 122 has some different details. Principally:

  • Marguerite's mother was Jeanne Paynel, not Jacqueline;
  • She married Jean II de Montmorency before 3 August 1452;
  • Agrees that her testament was dated 3 March 1481 at Paris, but that she died between 14 April 1484 and 20 February 1488
  • Is buried at Senlis, in Franciscan monastery
  • Has same 3 children with Jean, though has extra details doesn't mention her children with her first husband.

Although there is a long list of sources used it would be difficult to work out which source or sources were used to support the details about Marguerite d'Orgemont.[2]

Siméon Luce

Long article with a lot of transcribed documents in appendix, in Mémoires de l'Institut impérial de France, Académie des inscriptions et belles-lettres (France), Volume 34,Partie 1 (1833). It is about the presence at Chantilly of Jeanne Paynel, daughter of Foulque Paynel and Marguerite de Dinan, and niece of Jacqueline Paynel. Pages 301 to 415: https://books.google.fr/books?id=m6kAAAAAYAAJ&hl=fr&pg=PA301#v=onepage&q&f=false. Jacqueline is first mentioned p. 310. Jacqueline is chosen as guardian of her niece, p. 314. Jacqueline is widowed with 3 children, p. 319. Second marriage p. 320, Jacqueline's children raised by their paternal grandmother. Widowed again p. 324. Pièces justificatives (p. 341), see p. 357 (https://books.google.fr/books?id=m6kAAAAAYAAJ&hl=fr&pg=PA357#v=onepage&q&f=false), Pierre d'Orgemont and Jacqueline Paynel's marriage contract; p. 390 (Jacqueline Paynel, widow of Pierre d'Orgemont); p. 394 (gives up custody of her children) .

This confirms that Marguerite was the daughter of Pierre d'Orgemont and Jacqueline Paynel, and generally confirms Du Chesne's information on Marguerite's mother.

Sources

  1. Histoire de la Maison de Montmorency, par André Du Chesne, Cramoisy, 1624. Page: 236 https://books.google.fr/books?id=W9FDAAAAcAAJ&lpg=PA247&ots=Ml9CmP3iku&hl=fr&pg=PA236#f=false, consulté le 30 septembre 2017
  2. Schwennicke, Detlev, (ed.), Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Band XIV - Les familles féodales de France II, Marburg: J.A. Stargardt, 1991.




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To clarify:

According to De Chesne, Marguerite was the widow of Guillaume de Broullart. Not her mother. De Chesne says nothing of the Meulan family in his paragraph on Marguerite d'Orgemont.

Mr. Atkinson, please add daughter and parents, et al, as listed below, with source.
posted by Sunny (Trimbee) Clark
Ancestor to Elizabeth II. Please add:

1. Daughter: Marguerite de Montmorency

2. Mother: Jacqueline Paynel, daughter of Guillaume, widow of Guillaume Broullard.

3. Father: Pierre d'Orgemont, Knight killed at the Battle of Agincourt. p. 9

4. Maternal Great-Grandmother Jeanne Paynel, daughter of

5. Isabelle de Meulan, daughter of

6. Waleran, son of

7. Amaury, son of

Amaury de Meulan & Grandson of Galeran IV Wikipedia Comtes de Meulan seigneurs de Beaumont... Earls of Leicester pp. 7-8.

posted by Sunny (Trimbee) Clark
Parents: Pierre d'Orgemont, seigneur de Chantilly (1375-1415), Knight killed at the Battle of Agincourt, and Jacqueline Paynel, daughter of Guillaume, baron de Hambye.
posted by Sunny (Trimbee) Clark

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