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Margaret (Reade) Vining (bef. 1636 - 1659)

Margaret Vining formerly Reade aka Reed
Born before in Long Sutton, Somerset, Englandmap
Wife of — married 11 May 1657 in Weymouth, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
[children unknown]
Died after age 23 in Weymouth, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
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Biography

Margaret Reed (spelled "Reed" in The American Genealogist article by Robert Charles Anderson)[1]

Origin

Margaret Reed was baptized on 20 Jan 1636 at Long Sutton, Somersetshire, England, the daughter of William Reed and Avis Chapman.[2] [3]

The family was next found when they had immigrated to Weymouth, Massachusetts, probably before 1651. Margaret's father, William, was made a freeman at Weymouth on 18 May 1653.[4]

Family

Margaret married on 11 May, 1657 John Vining.[3] Margaret had no children. After her death, John married, as his 2nd, to Mary Reed (no relation).[5]

Margaret married on "11 3 mo. 1657" (11 May 1657) at Weymouth to John Vining.[2][6]

Death and Legacy

Savage, the author of the first record, reported that Margaret died on August 6, 1659 at Weymouth, Suffolk (later Norfolk), Massachusetts.[5] Savage also reports that after Margaret's death, John Vining married, as his 2nd, to a Mary Reed. This seems to be an error. Anderson writes that the works of Pope and Savage "muddled the records."[7]

Research Notes

Note of Caution, Multiple William Reads: Robert C. Anderson in his Great Migration, warns that there were multiple William Reads living in Boston and Weymouth at the same time, and that their biographies are so confused that Anderson chose not to deal with the problems.[7] He said the works of Pope and Savage "muddled the records."[7] He called Weymouth History by George Walter Chamberlain "less successful, but still useful," and Jacob Whittemore Reed's History of the Reed Family in Europe and America, (Boston 1861) "worthless."[7] The one work he recommends is by Donald Lines Jacobus', The Granberry Family and Allied Families, Including the Ancestry of Helen (Woodward) Granberry.[7] However, Jacobus cites Chamberlain and J. L. Reed, and even his work contains some mistakes regarding this William Read. Unfortunately, Margaret is not mentioned in The Granberry Family ...

The other William Read of Weymouth is William Read in WikiTree. (He married 1) Susanna Hayme and 2) Ruth Crooke), arrived earlier, and removed to Boston by 1646.

The information below was included in the biography:

Children Richard Stubbs b: 6 Dec 1661 in Hull, Plymouth colony[8]

Cynthia (Billups) B Reade-126 Unmerged match The only hold-up is the marriage on 194 to Richard Stubbs. This might be an entirely different Margaret Reade. Source(s) are needed. Thanks!

Posted Apr 22, 2017 by Cynthia (Billups) B reply archive flag move to G2G thank Cynthia Cynthia (Billups) B Edited parents, per birth date, which was the daughter of William Reed and Avis Chapman. This Margaret married to John Vining. Do we have a source for the marriage to Richard Stubbs? Thanks!

Posted Apr 22, 2017 by Cynthia (Billups) B reply archive flag move to G2G thank Cynthia Cynthia (Billups) B William Read who married Hayme and Crooke did not have a daughter named Margaret. William Reed who married Chapman did have a daughter named Margaret Reed, bpt 20 Jan 1635/6 Long Sutton, Somersetshire, England; married 11 May 1657 to John Vining, she died 11 May, 1657, without children. Not sure of this Margaret's origin, but it seems it is neither of these two William Read/Reeds of Weymouth. - posted Mar 17, 2015 by Cynthia (Billups) B

The following comment from Jill Olson was posted on the WikiTree profile of Margaret (Reade) Stubbs. Do not reply to this e-mail. Click here to reply or send Jill a private message if you do not want your response to be public. The year of death for Margaret Read/Reed Vining may be 1659 per: https://archive.org/details/vitalrecordsofwe02weym/page/358/mode/2up?q=Vining https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101067881399&view=1up&seq=154 Adopting the 1659 death date makes it very unlikely that Margaret Vining and Margaret Stubbs are the same person. This article in NEHGR says Margaret Stubbs is the daughter of William and Susannah Hayme Read. https://www.americanancestors.org/DB202/i/11712/335/235396573 Although Anderson doesn't list her as a daughter, there is a gap where her birth would fit in.

Sources

  1. Anderson, Robert Charles, "Ancestry of President Calvin Coolidge" The American Genealogist. (Vol 53, Page 165) New Haven, CT: D. L. Jacobus, 1937- . (Online database accessed February 4, 2015. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009 - .)
  2. 2.0 2.1 Chamberlain, George Walter, (1923) History of Weymouth, Massachusetts. Part 2, (Vol. 4). Weymouth, MA: Weymouth Historical Society,
  3. 3.0 3.1 Maxfield, Charles A., Some of the Descendants of William and Avis Reed of Weymouth accessed February 8, 2015.
  4. Jacobus, Donald L., and Waterman, Edgar F., The Granberry Family and Allied Families, Including the Ancestry of Helen (Woodward) Granberry (Page 301-02) Hartford: E. F. Waterman, 1945, HathiTrust.org accessed February 8, 2015
  5. 5.0 5.1 Savage, James, (1892) "Corrections and Additions to Savage's Genealogical Dictionary ." The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Boston, MA: NEHGS [ https://www.americanancestors.org/DB202/i/11629/188/241628211 AmericanAncestors.org] (Vol 46, Page 188) Correction to p 347 in Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England.
  6. Savage, James, (1860) Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England. Archive.org Boston: Vol 3, Page 519) Caution: "muddled the records.," according to Anderson.
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 Anderson, Robert C., (2009) "William Read," Featured name. Great Migration 1634-1635, R-S. AmericanAncestors.org NEHGS (Vol VI, R-S, Pages 24-30)
  8. Death date of July 6, 1659 was removed from the profile because it is 2 years before the birth of this child
  • Page 159: Mary, dau. of William Read, m. John Vining May 11, 1657.
  • Page 359: She died 6 July 1659 Weymouth
  • Marriage to Richard Stubbs: Title: Massachusetts, Town and Vital Records, 1620-1988, Publisher: Ancestry.com. Massachusetts, Town and Vital Records, 1620-1988 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.




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Reade-194 and Reade-126 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicates.
posted by N Fetterly
The year of death for Margaret Read/Reed Vining may be 1659 per:

https://archive.org/details/vitalrecordsofwe02weym/page/358/mode/2up?q=Vining https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101067881399&view=1up&seq=154

Adopting the 1659 death date makes it very unlikely that Margaret Vining and Margaret Stubbs are the same person. This article in NEHGR says Margaret Stubbs is the daughter of William and Susannah Hayme Read. https://www.americanancestors.org/DB202/i/11712/335/235396573 Although Anderson doesn't list her as a daughter, there is a gap where her birth would fit in

posted on Reade-194 (merged) by Jill (Neibaur) Olson
Thanks, Jill. I will add this as a research note.
posted on Reade-194 (merged) by N Fetterly
The year of death for Margaret Read/Reed Vining may be 1659 per:

https://archive.org/details/vitalrecordsofwe02weym/page/358/mode/2up?q=Vining https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101067881399&view=1up&seq=154

Adopting the 1659 death date makes it very unlikely that Margaret Vining and Margaret Stubbs are the same person. This article in NEHGR says Margaret Stubbs is the daughter of William and Susannah Hayme Read. https://www.americanancestors.org/DB202/i/11712/335/235396573 Although Anderson doesn't list her as a daughter, there is a gap where her birth would fit in

posted by Jill (Neibaur) Olson
edited by Jill (Neibaur) Olson
Reade-428 and Reade-126 appear to represent the same person because: same birth date, spouse. sources should be compared to determine correct date of death
posted by M Cole
Reade-126 Unmerged match

The only hold-up is the marriage on 194 to Richard Stubbs. This might be an entirely different Margaret Reade. Source(s) are needed. Thanks!

posted on Reade-194 (merged) by Cynthia (Billups) B
Edited parents, per birth date, which was the daughter of William Reed and Avis Chapman.

This Margaret married to John Vining.

Do we have a source for the marriage to Richard Stubbs? Thanks!

posted on Reade-194 (merged) by Cynthia (Billups) B
William Read who married Hayme and Crooke did not have a daughter named Margaret. William Reed who married Chapman did have a daughter named Margaret Reed, bpt 20 Jan 1635/6 Long Sutton, Somersetshire, England; married 11 May 1657 to John Vining, she died 11 May, 1657, without children.

Not sure of this Margaret's origin, but it seems it is neither of these two William Read/Reeds of Weymouth.

posted on Reade-194 (merged) by Cynthia (Billups) B
Unmerged matches with 428 and 194

Just "collecting" them for now. Would like to find the spelling "Reed" to merge all into (if possible). Otherwise, will at least wait until I am sure to have the lowest number for the target profile

posted by Cynthia (Billups) B
Reade-126 and Reade-194 are not ready to be merged because: Putting this on a match, just for now. Hoping to find a match with the spelling "Read" which is used on the most primary documents (it seems to me)
posted on Reade-194 (merged) by Cynthia (Billups) B

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