Simon Corbet (abt. 1100)

Born about 1100 in Wattlesborough, Shropshire, England

Ancestors

Descendants

Died [date unknown] in Shropshire, England

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Biography

Sir Simon Corbet was a member of the aristocracy in British Isles.

Name

Simon Corbet was of Pontesburie, close to the Welsh frontier, and probably died before his father, William Corbet of Wattlesborough. ^[1]

Simon Corbet, Lord of Caus & Wattlesboro. ^[2]

Shown in the pedigree for Corbet of Wattlesborough & Moreton-Corbet* as "Simon of Pontesbury" ...

* Attached herein

1100 Birth

Simon Corbet was born about 1100 in Wattlesborough, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. ^[3]

Another source places Simon Corbet, Lord of Pontesbury, as born about 1125 in Pontesbury, ^[4]

Parentage

Roger Corbet and Robert Corbet were uncle and nephew ^[5] and Robert's son called his grandfather Simon.^[1]

He was the son of William Corbet, Lord of Worthen & Wattlesboro, born about 1080, Worthen, Forden, Shropshire, England and died after 1136, Wattlesborough, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England (Age ~ 57 years)^[4]

Augusta Corbet's Pedigree of the Barons of Caus shows William Corbet of Wattlesborough, Baron of Caus ^[6] as the father of four children: (1) Roger, Baron of Caus, ob s p circa 1165, = Avidia or Hawisa de Albini, ob s. p. (2) William, knt, ob. s. p. = Dyonisia de Boeville, ob s p.; (3) Walter, ob. s. p. (4) Simon of Pontesburie with numerous children.

Marriages

Cawley states that the wife of Simon Corbet is unknown. ^[7] Therefore he has been de-linked from any wives pending better documentation:

Simon's oldest son's birth has been shown as being about 1125, which would predate the births of both the women shown as wives.

Margaret Brampton

Margaret (Brampton) Corbet, daughter of Brian de Brampton, born Brampton, England, 1130, making her 30 years younger than her husband, and died 1185 in Pontesbury. A marriage date of 1146 has been shown. She has been linked as the mother of Thomas and Robert Corbet.

Maud FitzWaren

Maud (FitzWarin) Corbet, born Wattlesborough, Shropshire, 1153, making her 53 years younger than her husband. No marriage date was specified for this marriage. She would not have married before the age of 15 (1168). She is currently linked as the mother of Richard. Maud is shown without parents or children.

1155 Death

One source says he died before 1165^[4] and another that he died after 1155 (aged about 56 years) at Caus Castle, Westbury, Shropshire, England. ^[3]

Carl Boyer states that Simon Corbet of Pontesburie probably died before his father, William Corbet of Wattlesborough. ^[1] which would place his death date prior to 1136.

Issue

Boyer shows Simon with 7 children: Thomas the Pilgrim, Robert, a daughter, William, Walter, Hugh, and Roger. ^[1]

Simon of Pontesburie, in the generation under discussion, was the only member of it who left descendants; consequently both Richard Corbet and his brother Roger must perforce be amongst those descendants. Simon had several sons, and of these, as I have already mentioned, only Thomas the Pilgrim and Robert the Baron left sons. Of these two Thomas is the only possibility as father to the brothers Richard and Roger Corbet of Wattlesborough; age and date alike forbid any other conclusion. Again, as we note the relative ages of Richard of Wattlesborugh and Robert the Baron we see of necessity that Thomas the Pilgrim was older than Robert the Baron. Thus again fact supports our legend. We may note in passing that Robert the Baron's eldest son was not born till 1182-3. ^[8]

As currently shown, there is currently one son of Simon born about 1135. After a gap of two decades, six more sons are born. The birth years shown are clearly estimates, at two year intervals. The last son, Richard, is born after another interval of two decades.

1. Thomas (Corbet) le Corbet , Lord of Wattlesboro, b. Abt 1135, Wattlesborough, Shropshire, England ^[4]. Thomas the Pilgrim, Progenitor of the line of Moreton-Corbet. ^[9] Boyer shows Thomas the Pilgrim first; no other information. ^[1].
2. Robert Corbet , b . Pontesbury 1151 ^[10], 4th Baron of Caus, ob 1222, m. Emma Pantulf, b. 1168,^[10][1] m. at Wenn 1180. ^[9]
3. William (Corbet) le Corbet, b. Pontesbury 1153 ^[10] Priest. ^[9][1].
4. Hugh (Corbet) le Corbet , b. Pontesbury 1155 ^[10]Priest. ^[9]
5. Walter (Corbet) le Corbet b. Pontesbury 1157^[10]Priest. ^[9] Recluse of Ratlinghope, no issue. ^[1]
6. Sir Roger (Corbet) le Corbet b. Pontesbury 1159^[10] of Chedderly-Corbet, living 1216, ob s. p. m. Hawise Folliot, ob. s.p. ^[9][1] "Sir Roger Corbet appears in possession of Chaddesleye as early as 1199; he must have been one of Rober the Baron's younger brothers, bearing also the same relation to Thomas the Pilgrim; perforce therefore another son of Simon of Pontesburie." ^[11] Roger II, dying and leaving no heir, the Barony became "escheat" and fell under the King's control, who immediatly asserted his right and chose an heir. There was always some delay in doing this, or in announcing it at any rate; and meantime Caus Castle was garrisoned with the King's soldiers. ... Ten years later or more, in AD 1175, we find that the Baron of Caus had been very heavily fined for a severe forest trespass in the North, in company with his uncle William, the de Brus, and many other notabilities. ...we learn that the name of the new Baron was Robert, that he was a son of the mesne lord of Pontesburie (in the Brony of Caus) whose name was Simon, a brother of the late Baron's (Roger II), and apparently the only brother having sons. Simon's elder son would seem to have been called Thomas; he was absent at the time of the King's decision, and ws passed over. ^[12]
7. Philip Corbet b. Pontesbury 1161^[10]
8. Richard Corbet b. Caus 1179, m. Emma Pantulf. ^[10]

Research Notes

Caution: Possible Duplicates

There are several Simon Corbets in a short time period suggesting that some or all may be duplicates:

• Simon Corbet, son of Roger, born about 1093, Caus Castle, Shropshire. Brother of Everard. Mother unknown, 4 siblings, no spouse, no children. Said to have died without issue. Flourished 1139-1155.
• Sir Simon Corbet, b. 1100, Wattlesborough, Shropshire, d. 1155; son of William Corbet. Mother Isabelle Valletort is questionable. 5 siblings, Roger, William, Walter, Robert, Hugh. Supposed Spouses Maud FitzWarin born Wattlesborough 1153, and Margaret Brampton, born Bampton 1130. 8 children:. Thomas, Daughter, Robert, William, Hugh, Walter, Roger, Philip. Last 4 children born after father's death date.
• Simon Corbet, Lord of Pontesbury, b. 1125, Shropshire. No father, mother, spouse. 1 daughter,Alice, married Bardolf

Caution: Skipped Generation

Some sources skip Simon and show Simon's children as the children of Simon's father William.

No Corbet Daughter married Iorwerth ab Owain

Unknown (Corbet) Jerwerth. Daughter, b. Pontesbury 1147 ^[10], m. Jerwerth. (Would this possibly be a Welshman named Iorwerth?) Unknown daughter has now been disconnected, as per discussion below:

Many genealogies show a daughter of Simon Corbet who married Iorwerth ab Owain, father of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth. For instance, Augusta Corbet wrote in 1915: "One of (Thomas Corbet's) sisters became the wife of Jowerth, the father of the Great llewellyn ap Jowerth." ^[13]

This supposition appears to be based on a reference by Llywelyn to a certain Walter Corbet as frater Willielmi Corbet avunculi mei. If William Corbet was Iorwerth's uncle, then surely Iorwerth's mother was William's sister, an unnamed Corbet, as reflected in Augusta Corbet's conclusion. But there are other ways an uncle-nephew relationship can be established.

It is now well established that Llywelyn ap Iorwerth"s mother was Marared ferch Madog. Cawley reports that Marared ferch Madog was born about 1130 and was called Margred, Marared, Marget, Marred, Marret, and Marvred in various records. ^[14]

Yet there were clearly other signs of some Corbet connection. "Historians have long been cognizant of (Llywelyn's) kinship to the Corbet family; he often stayed his hand, spared Corbet lands, and a letter of his addresses William Corbet as 'uncle'. ^[15]

Penman concludes that in order for Llywelyn's reference to William as an uncle to be correct, Marared must have made a second marriage after Iorwerth's death in 1174. ^[16]

Who would Marared's second husband be? "In researching the Corbet family, I was able to eliminate Robert Corbet without difficulty. His brother William was the 'uncle' of Llewelyn's letter. Walter Corbet was a monk. By the process of elimination, Hugh Corbet had to be Marared's second husband, Llewelyn's stepfather."^{[15] [17]}

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8} Carl Boyer 3rd. Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2001. Simon Corbet is #5 on page 62.
2. ↑ The Family Corbet, Corbet, A. E., (Name: The St. Catherine Press; Location: London, Eng.; Date: 1915;), Vol. 1, p. 52, 53 ped. chart. Cited by Medieval Roots: Darrell & Ruth McGowen's Family History & Ancestry. http://www.medievalroots.com/getperson.php?personID=I10194&tree=tree1b. Accessed January 16, 2016
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} The Phillips, Weber, Kirk & Stagg Families etc, Weber, J., (Name: RootsWeb; Location: Online; Date: 2015 accessed;), WorldConnect Project. Cited by Medieval Roots: Darrell & Ruth McGowen's Family History & Ancestry. http://www.medievalroots.com/getperson.php?personID=I10194&tree=tree1b. Accessed January 16, 2016
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3} Simon Corbet, Medieval Roots: Darrell & Ruth McGowen's Family History & Ancestry. http://www.medievalroots.com/getperson.php?personID=I10194&tree=tree1b. Accessed January 16, 2016
5. ↑ (AEC, 52-53, cited by Boyer, 62
6. ↑ Augusta Elizabeth Brickdale Corbet. "Pedigree of the Barons of Caus." The Family of Corbet: Its Life and Times]. London: the St. Catherine Press, 1915. Volume I, page 161.
7. ↑ Charles Cawley, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Untitled English Nobility: Corbet Accessed October 20, 2017. jhd
8. ↑ Augusta Elizabeth Brickdale Corbet. The family of Corbet, its Life and Times. London: The St. Catherine Press, 1915. Volume II, page 217 Pilgrim Accessed October 23, 2017. jhd
9. ↑ ^{9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 9.5} Pedigree of Corbet of Chaddesley-Corbet, Hope, and Leigh-Juxta-Caus, Leighton and Subsequently of Sundorne. Scan attached to profile.
10. ↑ ^{10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3 10.4 10.5 10.6 10.7 10.8} dates currently in WikiTree datafield
11. ↑ Augusta Elizabeth Brickdale Corbet. The family of Corbet, its Life and Times. London: The St. Catherine Press, 1915. Volume II, page 167 Pilgrim Accessed October 23, 2017. jhd
12. ↑ Augusta Elizabeth Brickdale Corbet. The family of Corbet, its Life and Times. London: The St. Catherine Press, 1915. Volume II, page 214 Pilgrim Accessed October 23, 2017. jhd
13. ↑ Augusta Elizabeth Brickdale Corbet. The family of Corbet, its Life and Times. London: The St. Catherine Press, 1915. Volume II, page 218 Jowerth Accessed October 23, 2017. jhd
14. ↑ Charles Cawley. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Marared m Iorwerth Drwyndwyn Marared, Accessed Dec. 20, 2016).
15. ↑ ^{15.0 15.1} Rootsweb: Gen-Medieval Archives Gen-Medieval 1999 Rootsweb post, A Jones
    

    Note - the Rootsweb post correctly quotes the author's note that calls her (incorrectly) "Marared ferch Meredydd", but when introduced in the novel (page 7), she is "Marared, daughter of Prince Madog ap Meredydd."

16. ↑ Sharon Penman, Author's Note, Here Be Dragons. As a writer of historical fiction, does substantive research to make sure that the settings for her stories are as factually accurate as possible. Cited by A. Jones. Gen-Medieval List {http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1999-10/0939744900 Llywelyn'd daughter Margaret and the de Braose Family] 12 October 1699. Accessed October 13, 2017. jhd
17. ↑ see also Stewart Baldwin's Gen-Medieval 1999 Rootsweb post in the same thread.

• "The family of Corbet, its life and times", by Mrs. Augusta Elizabeth Brickdale Corbet Corbet

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