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Thomas (Deeble) Dibble (abt. 1613 - 1700)

Thomas Dibble formerly Deeble aka Deebbell, Dyblie, Dible, Deble
Born about in Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Son of and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married 1636 (to 14 May 1681) in Windsor, Connecticut Colonymap
Husband of — married 25 Jun 1683 (to 25 Sep 1689) in Windsor, Hartford, Connecticutmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 87 in Windsor, Hartford, Connecticutmap
Profile last modified | Created 13 Sep 2010
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Biography

Caution: An incorrect place of origin, and an incorrect parent, have in the past been added to this profile. Before editing, please be certain to carefully read the Research Notes below.

Thomas, son of Robert Deeble, was born in England about 1613.[1] He was a passenger on the ship Marygold with Reverend Hull's company [1] [2] bound for New England from Weymouth March 20, 1635[3]

Thomas Dible, husbandman, aged 22 years [3]
Francis Dible, soror aged 24 years [3] ("soror" is Latin for "sister")
  • 1635: December 17: Thomas was granted land at Dorchester, Massachusetts next to his father Robert's, provided he build a house within one year on his grant. [1]
  • 1635/6: January 4: Robert and Thomas Dibble were granted 30 acres on the great lots between Rochester and Dorchester. [1]
  • 1637: May 17: Thomas Dibble became a Freeman of Dorchester. [4]
  • 1637: Removed to Windsor Connecticut where his son Israel was born on August 29, 1637. [1]
  • 1640: April 9: Tho: Dyblie was made a freeman of Windsor at the Connecticut Colony court.[5] On March 7, 1669/70, "Thomas Deble" appears on the "List of families in Windsor with Quantity of Grain in Possession of Each", with 7 persons in his household, 2 bushels of wheat and 20 bushels of Indian corn on hand.
  • 1640/1: After February 23: Thomas bought land in Windsor from William Hulbird. [1]
  • 1686: Thomas was listed on the tax rate at Windsor with a house and 4 acres of land, 5 acres of meadow, and 2 cows and a swine. [1]
  • 1699/1700: January 11: Thomas sold land to his son-in-law Samuel Gibbs Sr. [1]
Last Name
The name of the Deeble/Dibble/Dibel family is spelled with several variations in early records. Based on Thomas' signature in the History of Ancient Windsor, Deeble or Deebbell seems most correct. [6][7]

Marriages

Thomas married first by 1637, Miriam (___), as their son Israel was born in August of that year. Miriam died on May 14, 1681. [1]

He married second, on June 25, 1683 at Windsor, Elizabeth (___), widow of first husband John Hawkes and second husband Robert Hindsdale. [8] Elizabeth died on September 29, 1689. [1]

Thomas died at Windsor on October 17, 1700. [1]

Children

[9][10] by wife Miriam

  1. Israel born on August 29, 1637; died at Windsor on December 11, 1697; married Elizabeth Hull on November 28, 1661. [1]
  2. Samuel born and died at Windsor on May 31, 1640. [1]
  3. Ebenezer baptized on September 26, 1641; died at the swamp fight during King Philip's War on December 19, 1675; married Mary Wakefield at New Haven on October 27, 1663. [1]
  4. Hepzibah baptized on December 25, 1642; died on February 22, 1697/8; married Samuel GIbbs at Windsor on April 15, 1664. [1]
  5. Samuel baptized on March 24, 1643; died June 5, 1709 at Windsor; married first about 1666, Abigail Graves; married second Hepsibah Bartlett on January 21, 1668; married third, Frances Cranston of Guilford on March 25, 1703. [1]
  6. Miriam born on February 19, 1644/5; likely the widow Miriam Palmer who died at Windsor on May 31, 1727; married first, Jonathan Gillette at Windsor on December 14, 1676 as his second wife; married second Timothy Palmer as his second wife. [1]
  7. Thomas born on September 3, 1647; died before 1719; married Mary Tucker on October 10, 1676. [1]
  8. Johanna/Johaminah baptized on February 1, 1650; died in 1651.[1]

Will

Thomas's will was dated on February 17, 1699/1700 and proved on November 13, 1700. In it he names:

  • son Samuel and his wife
  • grandson Samuel, son of Samuel
  • son Thomas and his wife
  • grandson Abram, son of Thomas
  • daughter Miriam Gillette
  • grandsons Josiah and Wakefield Dibble
  • John Eliot and son-in-law Samuel Gibbs, executors [1]

In an appendix to the above will, specifying the distribution of household goods, he added bequests to:

  • daughter Miriam
  • granddaughter Eliza Gibbs
  • Experience Gibbs
  • Miriam Gibbs
  • Hepzibah Dickson
  • Palidense Denslow
  • Joanna Loomis
  • Rev. Mr. Samuel Mather [1]

His estate was inventoried on November 1, 1700 and valued at L60: 14: 01. [1]

Note: "I give to my daughter Miriam Gillett that two acres of meadow she now posseth. Item: To my said daughter Miriam I give, for the use of her son, my best broadcloth coast, hatt and breeches. All the rest of my apparrel to be divided, two parts to my sons Samuel and Thomas, the other part to be to my grandsons Josiah Dibble and Wakefield Dibble. I appoint Mr. John Eliot and son-in-law Samuel Gibbs to be executors."[11][12] [1]

Research Notes

Disputed Origins

Thomas Dibble was a son of immigrant Robert Dibble of Dorchester, Massachusetts, but his mother's name, his place of birth, and his father's parentage are unknown or uncertain. Father and son evidently emigrated from Weymouth, England, at different times, "Robert Dible" appearing on the passenger list of the ship Recovery on 31 March 1634, while "Thomas Dible, husbandman" – with sister ("soror") Francis – is found on the 20 March 1634/5 list of the Marygould[13].

Thomas married twice; his first wife's given name was Miriam, and while she has been claimed to have been Miriam Grant, this is speculative. His second wife, Elizabeth -- whose maiden surname is also not known, despite longstanding claims that she was Elizabeth Browne -- was the twice-married Elizabeth (Unknown) [Hawkes] Hinsdale (or Hensdell), married first to John Hawkes and then to Deacon Robert Hinsdale. She married Thomas on 25 Jun 1683, at Windsor.

This profile earlier also showed this wife as née Elizabeth Hayden, but it is not clear what, if any, research supported this claim. Torrey's New England Marriages (per NEHGS) offers no maiden surname, and Robert Charles Anderson, in his Great Migration series, clearly subscribes to that approach.

A 1613 est. birth year is based on a stated age of 22 at the time of Thomas's 1633/4 emigration (Anderson). Earlier versions of this profile showed Cornwall as Thomas's birthplace, but no source was offered; FreeReg UK and NEHGS show a Thomas Deeble born in Cornwall at Quethiock in 1618, but the father's name is given as "Thome" [Deeble] (see [1]). This profile of Thomas Dibble originally showed his birth at "St. Germain", Cornwall; Quethiock is roughly five miles from St. Germans. However, this cannot be the same person, as – despite arriving on a different vessel – Thomas was clearly the son of Robert, appearing in his Dorchester household.

Anderson – while deeming it only "tantalizing", not conclusive – refers (exclusively) to research that found a father Robert Dibble at St. John's, Glastonbury, Somerset with three children, one of whom is named "Frauncisca" – a possible match to the sister Francis who came with Thomas aboard the Marygould. Anderson makes no mention of Cornwall as Thomas's possible place of origin.

This profile has been detached from that of "Frances Goody" -- see Goody-42 – which may or may not represent an actual person, but does not accurately represent the wife of Great Migration emigrant Robert Dibble, whose wife's name remains unknown despite much speculation. "Frances Goody" cannot be the mother of Thomas Dibble.

An extremely thorough discussion of Thomas, his possible origins, and his family can be found at http://www.dibblehistory.org/alts.htm .

Additional Notes

  • Thomas Deeble [14]
  • Born to Robert Dibble in Weymouth, Somerset, England. Married Miriam ____ circa 1637 in Windsor CT. His name was placed on this memorial in Palisado Cemetery to recognize him as a founder of Windsor. It is unknown where he was buried.
  • Find A Grave contributor Evelyn Murray adds: Miriam died 14 May 1681, and Thomas married as his second wife, on 25 Jun 1683, Elizabeth, widow of John Hawke and Robert Hensdale. She died 25 Sept 1689 Windsor.
  • Note that NEHGS shows a Robertus Deble m. 23 Jan 1608 to wife Ellyna at Cornwall; see https://www.americanancestors.org/DB544/rd/305912980 (subscription required) (index-only database); however, Cornwall is ca. 50 mi. from Weymouth.

Sources

  1. 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 1.16 1.17 1.18 1.19 1.20 1.21 1.22 Williams, Alicia Crane. Thomas Dibble (m. 1637) in: Early New England Families, 1641-1700. (Original Online Database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2013. Thomas Dibble
  2. Anderson, Robert Charles; George F. Sanborn; and Melinde Lutz Sanborn. The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635. (NEHGS, 1999-2011).
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 Hotten, John Camden (editor). The Original Lists of Persons of Quality: Emigrants, Religious Exiles, Political Rebels, Serving Men Sold for a Term of Years, Apprentices, Children Stolen, Maidens Pressed, and Others, who Went from Great Britain to the American Plantations, 1600-1700. London: John Camden Hotten, 1874. p. 285
  4. Andrews, H.F. (arranger). List of Freemen Massachusetts Bay Colony from 1630 to 1691. (Exira, Iowa: Exira Printing, 1906.) link
  5. Trumbull, J. Hammond. (transcriber). The Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut Prior to the Union with New Haven Colony May 1665. Hartford: Brown and Parsons, 1850. AKA Colonial Records of Connecticut. Volume I. 1636-1665 https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Public_Records_of_the_Colony_of_Conn.html?id=X8VSAAAAcAAJ Google Books p. 46
  6. click on snippet view of p. 132; see unnumbered page of signatures following p. 132 (end of Chapter VI), The History and Genealogies of Ancient Windsor, Connecticut, by Henry Reed Stiles; History, Press of the Case, Lockwood & Brainard Company, Hartford, Connecticut, 1898; https://books.google.com/books?id=jMthTrj_UZcC&q=Deeble#v=snippet&q=132&f=false
  7. Thomas's signature is also visible on this page of the genealogy site "The Early History of the Diblee Family": https://web.archive.org/web/20170801024451/http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/genealogy/earlydib/thomas.htm
  8. Anderson, Robert C. John Hawkes in: Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume III, G-H, New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts, 2003, p. 259 (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009.)
  9. Stiles, Henry R. The History and Genealogies of Ancient Windsor, Connecticut; including East Windsor, South Windsor, Bloomfield, Windsor Locks, and Ellington. 1635-1891. Volume II - Genealogies and Biographies. Hartford, Conn.:Press of the Case, Lockwood and Brainard Company, 1892. p. 174 Link at Archive
  10. Connecticut Historical Society. Some early records and documents of and relating to the town of Windsor, Connecticut, 1639-1703. Includes Matthew Grant's Record. Hartford, Connecticut Historical Society, 1930. p. 31
  11. Source: #S271 Page: "Jonathan and Nathan Gilletts' Descendants," vol. 100 p. 276 Note: citing Probate Records, Vol. II, p. 56
  12. Manwaring, Charles William. A Digest of the Early Connecticut Probate Records.Volume 1. Hartford District 1635-1700. Hartford, Conn., R.S. Peck & Co., Printers, 1904. pp 56, 57
  13. Great Migration 1634-1635, C-F. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume II, C-F, by Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001; https://www.americanancestors.org/DB115/i/7373/345/22175285
  14. Source: #S103 Page: pp. 79-80
  • Source: S103 Title: Dibblee-Perry & Allied Families Abbreviation: Dibblee-Perry Author: Conlon, Alice Izelle Dibblee
  • Source: S271 Title: The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 158 vols., 1847-2004, Url: NewEnglandAncestors.org Abbreviation: NEHGS Register Publication: The New England Historical and Genealogical Society, Boston, MA
  • Information developed from Find A Grave Memorial No. 34506606. Entered by Tom Bredehoft, 19/5/2013
  • Cutter, William Richard (ed). New England Families, Genealogical and Memorial: A Record of the Achievements of Her People in the Making of Commonwealths and the Founding of a Nation. Volume 3 (page 1504). Lewis Historial Publishing Company, 1913. Available at: https://books.google.com/books?id=7_UsAAAAYAAJ
  • Birth; marriages: Great Migration 1634-1635, C-F. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume II, C-F, by Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001; https://www.americanancestors.org/DB115/i/7373/346/22175411 (subscription required)
  • Death of first wife (Miriam): Connecticut: Vital Records (The Barbour Collection), 1630-1870 (Online Database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2011.) From original typescripts, Lucius Barnes Barbour Collection, 1928; https://www.americanancestors.org/DB414/i/12316/73/138413586 (subscription required)
  • Marriage (2) (23 June 1683, to Elizabeth (__?__) [Hawks] Hinsdale ( ? -1689), wife of John; wife of Robert): New England Marriages to 1700 (Online database, AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: New England Marriages Prior to 1700; Boston, Mass.; New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015; https://www.americanancestors.org/DB1568/rd/21174/451/426883607 (subscription required)
  • Marriage (2) -- see also: New England Families, Genealogical and Memorial: A Record of the Achievements of Her People in the Making of Commonwealths and the Founding of a Nation, Volume 3, by William Richard Cutter; Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1913 - New England, p. 1145, [1]
  • Death: Connecticut: Vital Records (The Barbour Collection), 1630-1870 (Online Database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2011.) From original typescripts, Lucius Barnes Barbour Collection, 1928; https://www.americanancestors.org/DB414/i/12316/73/138413586 (subscription required)
  • Ancestry.com. Connecticut, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999. Original data: Jackson, Ronald V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. Connecticut Census, 1790-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes. Note: Thomas Sr. Deble State: CT County: Hartford County Township: Windsor Year: 1669 Page: NPN Database: CT 1635-1807 Misc. Records




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Dibble-312 and Deeble-1 appear to represent the same person because: Thomas Dibble and Thomas Deeble are the same person. Different spellings based on different records.
posted by James Paxton
I can't find any research on the father Robert https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dibble-334 that supports Robert's wife Frances, nor any of Thomas' siblings Robert, Abraham, John, Joanna (except his sister Frances - who came to New England with him and then disappeared?)

Anderson states no origins for Robert, no wife's name, no other children and indicates that a connection of John and Abraham in New England hasn't been made. (Subscription) https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/great-migration-immigrants-to-new-england-1634-1635-volume-ii-c-f/image?pageName=346&volumeId=7373&rId=22175411

ENEF on Thomas just identifies his father as Robert.

Should he be detached from Robert and family and a new Robert created? or should the existing Robert be extensively corrected?

posted by Chris Hoyt
I've done about all I think I can. I believe the history of questions about the wives' names should remain b/c some people coming to the profile need to know that those questions have been -- at least for now -- resolved.
posted by Christopher Childs
I can keep trimming it -- up to a point, anyway. Agree about the note re: son Ebenezer's (my forebear's) death & will move that to Ebenezer's profile... I tucked that in while working on 93 just so I wouldn't forget it...
posted by Christopher Childs
Last Name was same size heading on Dibble-93. (and above was a note about wife Elizabeth proven to not be Elizabeth Brown with source). From that point down was the entire bio on -93, after the merge the top section was merged in.

The father is not disputed. The second para - move to Windsor and wifes not disputed. Not sure Cutter's mistake re son, belong on this profile. Sometimes I just hate merge messes!!!

posted by Chris Hoyt
The heading could have 3 equal signs:

Disputed Origins to make it smaller and indent.


Since the heading "Last Name" is still a part of the disputed, you could do that

Last Name

Just a thought, to differentiate it from the actual biography.

(addition) ha ha, the wiki markups . sorry. I'll just make the changes in the bio area. If you don't like it, Christopher, you can change it back.

I can thin down the DO section a bit but it's still going to be lengthy. Where it winds up (above or below the bio) I leave to others...
posted by Christopher Childs
When the dispute section is extensive like this one, is it possible to put a heading or note above the bio saying Disputes: parents or spouse or LNAB at the top,

and move the dispute discussion below the bio?

posted by Chris Hoyt
Sister Francis who came with him on the Marygould appears to have been inserted as mother (perhaps conflated with some reference to mother as "Goody Dibble"?). Recommend that mother be shown (created) as Unknown (Unknown) Deeble, and that Frances Goody be detached. (Probably should be recast as sister Francis Deeble, but her DOB as shown -- 1587 -- wd have to be changed.) Concerns/objections?
posted by Christopher Childs
I can work on the merge with Dibble-93 later today and tomorrow unless someone else wants to take it on... it promises to take some time...
posted by Christopher Childs
Dibble-93 and Deeble-1 appear to represent the same person because: Please merge Dibble-93 INTO DEEBLE=1 Correct LNAB, based on early records and signature and remove duplicate. Thank You.
posted by Chris Hoyt

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