Translation needed of very old Swedish Death Record [closed]

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Hello,

I am sourcing some unsourced Swedish profiles and I could use some help with a 1669 death/burial record. The date on the profile (attached) matches this entry:

(Last entry in the photo below.) 7 Mar 1669 in Nykil, Östergötland, Sweden. The profile says it is supposed to be Karin Andersdotter, wife of Jöns Persson? I can not understand the writing after the date to confirm this. Can anyone else read this? I appreciate the help!

SOURCE INFO: Nykil, C/1 (1634-1704), bildid: C0017486_00071, page 122 https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0017486_00071

Thank you!

Missy smiley

WikiTree profile: Karin Andersdotter
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in Genealogy Help by Missy Berryann G2G6 Pilot (220k points)
closed by Missy Berryann
I have to rush, but I'll explain later what I have done with the family members of this Karin. There turned out to be another Karin Andersdotter who was a better fit in the Östergötland family. For this family there were also some sources.

If this Karin belongs to the parents in Grangärde she probably stayed in Grangärde.

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It's one of those lovely (NOT) death records that does not mention the name of the woman.

I think it says: "manhaftig leuthnanths hustru i Walsnäs" - wife of the bravely masculine liutenant in Wallsnäs". I'm quite sure about everything but the lieutenant, that word could also be an actual name.

But you should be aware that profiles from that particular old GEDCOM are famous for being pieced together from data for several different persons B-M-D that don't at all belong together.

by Eva Ekeblad G2G6 Pilot (577k points)
selected by Missy Berryann

Oh, my! I tried to read it and could not make anything out of it, you are awesome, Eva! heart

Thank you Maria!

Yes, Eva is awesome! heart

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Just look at the family group sheet for Karin and her husband https://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Andersdotter-742/300

One child born in Malmöhus, the next in Östergötland and the last one the same year in Västernorrland.

Edit: None of the children in the family group sheet belonged to this Karin, so there's no longer anything to see.
Birth and death places for Karin and her husband don't make a lot of sense eithe.
by Eva Ekeblad G2G6 Pilot (577k points)
edited by Eva Ekeblad
I love seeing the wealth of information and support volunteers like Eva display. Bravo Eva!
Thank you Marion!
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OK, so the Karin Andersdotter attached to the question had a "sister" Karin Andersdotter, attached to the same parents in Grangärde: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Andersdotter-703

The second Karin had birth and death place in Östergötland, and so was a better fit in the little family I managed to source, starting with the baptism and burial records for son Lars (born in 1634, this is a very early start year for birth records). Karin and her husband Jon Andersson were buried the same year. Both had fantasy connections to now disconnected parents. And the wrong Karin was married to Jon-in-Östergötland. I fixed that.

Brita Jonsdotter from Skåne also did not belong with Karin From Grangärde. Her family tree on the Internet seems mostly to be of the "kin salad" type. I found one credible Skåne tree for her, but it does not seem to exist in WikiTree, I had to leave her floating. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Jonsdotter-212

I also found a death record for Anders Jönsson https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/J%C3%B6nsson-370 - born and dead in Indal, Västernorrland, which means he did not have parents living in Östergötland. I'll look some more to see if more of his family is in WikiTree.

As per the record attached to this question, yes, some woman died in that place at that time. I don't think that woman was Karin Andersdotter from Grangärde - assuming that the parents in Grangärde did have a daughter Karin (it's very likely that they had).

All in all it's very typical of this old GEDCOM to be composed from facts that are individually correct, but do not belong together - the way that a tree can be patched together (at those other sites) by accepting "tips" based on similar dates and names and totally ignoring geography.
by Eva Ekeblad G2G6 Pilot (577k points)

Hej Eva,

Thank you for all the great information! heart I saw you worked on them already. So I will move on to the next unsourced profile. smiley

Tack!!

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