Anyone with German settlers in Pennsylvania has done a DNA test?

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Hi there,

I do hope to find some WikiTree'ers that have taken a DNA test and have early German settlers in their family tree.

Reason is that I do have several indications that I share with many cousins through those German settlers, me from the German side and they obviously as descendants from these settlers. As they kept marrying within their proximity their DNA was mostly preserved and not mixed as much as normally occurs. Hence a lot survived until nowadays.

If you have a kit at GedMatch, which is mandatory for this undertaking as it allows to analyze triangulations going down to very small and tiny segments (eg on chromosome 2 from 106-126 bp), please do contact me directly either through a post on my profile or via PM.

If you haven't done so, please consider to upload your raw DNA data to GedMatch.com as it has some unique tools for analyzing your DNA and it's the only one that allows to effectively analyze from 1 cM genetic distance and 50 SNP onwards (maybe even less SNP but that's the minimum I use).

Before people declare me as being crazy for going after such small segments I do it only for identified and triangulated matches. Background is that over time our inherited ancestral segments get split up a lot. I have proven with my work so far that sometimes an intact 7 cM long segment gets split up into 4-5 smaller segments and as such is still possible to triangulate such people in a TG.

Thanks in advance!

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Please see

http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2014/12/02/small-matching-segments-friend-foe/

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Hi Peter,

I was hoping that this discussion would be kept out but now that you brought it up I have to coment on it. As I mentioned, rather than the article stated, I'm not looking at all chromosomes or even the whole chromosome. I look at a small section of a chromosome that has been proven to be an ancestral segment as there were 3 independent (meaning not closely related family members) that share more than 700 SNP's and 7 cM genetic distance with each other.

Through these large shared segments you get a potential start and end point for that ancestral segment (I say potential as I'm currently finding out that it's indeed much larger as I find small segments at the end adding to it's length).

Now you probably have come across the same situation as well, you have some new members of this TG that match only some of your other cousins as per eg 23andme minimum criteria for a match. This happens usually when the TG group has matches in the range of 7-9 cM. Now what is with the other ones? Aren't they triangulated as well?

Luckily at GedMatch we can lower the criteria and this is exactly what I do. I go down to 1 cM and 50 SNP's as the minimum criteria and all of a sudden the original one part of ancestral segment shows up with every TG member in a chopped up way, some have clearly lost even small chopping parts over the generations (means they have no matches there at all, rather usually at the end or the beginning of the TG group).

Hope that makes it clearer and also illustrates that I'm not questioning that 99.9% of the 1 cM samples are probably IBS but in the case I've outlined they proof to be very helpful. BTW, phased data for my mum & myself was used in this actual case as well and Carrie matches the phased kit no as well.

I realize that no one to my knowledge has gone into this new area, not even Jim, Tim, Roberta, Ann or Blaine (all well respected citizen scientists in DNA genealogy). Once I have more examples of that (it's a very tedious manual process and I plan to write a program to run the comparison for me) I will write all up and there will be for sure a lively discussion on the DNA genealogy mailing list.

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I believe this discussion is better suited for autosomal-dna-l@rootsweb.com  

Starting and end points are fuzzy.  

What you are wanting to do works much better when the autosomal DNA of both people is phased.  That is the case for two males who match on the X chromosome.

Sincerely, Peter

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Now I know how Pythagoras felt when he proclaimed the earth wasn't flat but round ;-)

Starting and ends points aren't fuzzy, by all knowledge they are exact (I'm speaking about the ancestral segment as a whole, meaning the original DNA that was spliced up over generations). Yes, individuals in the TG can have different start and end points but that wasn't my point. Your father and your mother gave you large chunks of DNA which is going to be split up in the next generations. I talk about the start and end point of that original segment, as much as we can find it out by triangulation.

There is another daughter - father pair of cousins in the TG but to my knowledge phasing hasn't been done. It won't make a difference, there are too many people in this TG with too many matches over the whole ancestral segment to call it a fluke, computer/algorithmic error.

But rest assured I only will be happy when I have also found the paper trail putting names to that still nameless common ancestor.

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I thought I would compare our kits since I do have German Pennsylvanian ancestry (Rought, Rhoads). No results until 300 and 3, and then I looked at your ancestry. You're Italian, German, and Czech, and that's also part of my makeup. At that point I realized I probably would be the most useless for you to use for small samples.

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No one is useless and certainly your DNA sample servers some good. I've found that you share a 5cM 640 SNP segment with my aunt (my mum's sister) at chr 9. Have to look up if that is the infamous centromere location, have something like that in my memory.

No match with my mum and matches to my dad (the Italian side) are small but 15 segments with more than 500 SNP's that will be matching sooner or later into TG's on my father's side.

So don't be surprised if I contact you in the future. May I ask where in Italy your ancestors are from (a bit OT)?

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I have been DNA tested autosomal. The only cousins I have been in contact with are PA Deutch, Benders and Plank. I can't remember if I have put this on GedMatch or not. :-)

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My original ancestor surname was Staubach he settled in Pennsylvania in the 1750s  my GEDMatch M659978  comes from 23andme don't know if it would help or not.

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How does someone get their DNA to Wiki for analysis?

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For autosomal DNA, register at https://www.gedmatch.com/login1.php and follow GEDmatch's instructions to upload your AncestryDNA, 23andMe, or Family Finder results there.  Then enter your GEDmatch ID on your DNA Tests page in WikiTree.

For Y-DNA, upload to http://www.ysearch.org/ and then enter your YSearch ID on your DNA Tests page.

For mtDNA, upload to http://www.mitosearch.org/ and then enter your MitoSearch ID on your DNA Tests page.

More information at

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/DNA_FAQ

Sincerely,

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I still don't know from my own research which German ancestors actually immigrated to the US in addition to my father and GM, and I'm one of the only two people born from that root. Surely some cousins (Berg, Bar/Baer, Schmid, Herrmann, Schneider must have had children who immigrated. So I'm Still looking.

That said, one Schmid-line person wrote me after and ancestry.com DNA test and said we were related. I invited her to my tree (and she saw it), but she did not reciprocate. In fact she said her brother was taking care of a Wikitree Schmid tree for them after she'd abandoned it. I tried to dip into researching her tree via Google, but the  puzzle pieces (many Schmid names) did not appear with both DoB and DoD but were from the same area as mine, and all were Katholisch; the place names seem to match (!). One woman ( with both DoB and DoD!) was found in Ohio.

While difficult for me to make any sense of this family genealogist's seemingly reluctant dynamic and because my Google research's results showed up as a list without showing relationships, (except for inside Wikitree where an ancestor list showed "son of 5" notations, she gave no suggestion of having actually invited me to see either of her trees (anc.com and Wikitree's) so I could discern those relationships. Her family names include Schmid, Vetter, Zever,with the last two names appearing only once each.

Certainly no one is required to invite people to see their tree. And I don't know if her tree's research is correct. Mine has more errors than I thought I had, and correcting them is delaying finding further information. I guess I could call ancestry.com to see if she had actually invited me or was simply saying she had, and would they answer that question anyway? What do you suggest as a next step? How do I make sense of it? She's the closest to being a relative on my German gm's family line.

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I have family that came a region that was German, Swiss and French. The came to Lancaster, PA abt. 1730 and were in Virginia by 1740. Based on what I've glean learned we are most like Swiss.

I am fairly new to WikiTree and I am slowly building a tree here while working a full-time job and running two small businesses. But I am always happy to answer genealogy related emails.

I have a gedcom on gedmatch.com along with several different DNA profiles.

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Sharon, I'm so glad you're with us!!! My German relatives in Europe--I'm at dead walls all around. My father's father didn't marry my German grandmother, but perhaps it was because she was "underage" at 16, or because he was from the much maligned Jewish faith. My tree is Berg-1880, and I'd love to have you look at it. Probably we aren't related, but there's a chance.

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Most of my Germanic lines go back to the Alsace-Lorraine area and back into Switzerland. I don't think they moved around much at that time  as much as borders were constantly changing. The only town specific place is Wildenguth. Baden definitely sounded familiar though.  There were a couple of surnames that sounded familiar I will have to do some digging. They may not be one of my direct lines but connected to someone else, Or it could be research someone else did that I need to connect to mine.

My family has been in the Americas since at least 1613 in Jamestown. Johan Pieter Salling was a latecomer and didn't make until 1730 in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. His daughter married a Fuller with ties to early Baltimore. I've gathered a lot of information on him. At this point he is the last of my ancestors to arrive in America. I still have a few lines that I don't know the original ancestor to come to America. But I'm already into the 1700's with most of them and a few into the 1600's

My main focus has been getting all my lines out of Kentucky and I am still trying to identify descendants and collateral lines in KY. My plan is to be ready to start researching my North Carolina ancestors next.

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Hi. I have Penn ancestors through my mothers father and mother.  My gedmatch id is m212162. My maternal grandmothers family (surnames Leuszler & Lang)is more recently from Penn than my maternal grandfathers (surname Schuckmann).

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Hello Andreas, I am sorry for not answering up on this sooner, I spotted this post, but thought it was one I had answered before.  

My fathers line of Kester/Kuster, are from Germany and settled in Pennsylvania back when William Penn grabbed up the 13.  My mothers line is from Germany also, but not until after WWI.

I had my father (Kester-461) and I (Kester-460) tested years ago, those tests are posted here, but are old and I am unable to get the GenMatch to process them.  I just had my mother, wife and I tested using AncestryDNA, they are also all posted here, my GenMatch on this one is test # A673132.

Virgil (Kester-460)

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I also have German ancestors who settled in Pennsylvania on both sides of my family tree. My results are also on Gedmatch and I will contact you via PM.

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Virgil, I trust that by now you have called ancestry.com to request that they send you a more current report of the results of your Dna results with them. I much prefer ftdna.com as my go-to place because after your results are there you have access to the reports any time anywhere for no extra cost. They are a business interested only in the application of your results to their matches and/or return of DNA results to you after you either send them to you or test with them. (At this time I haven't checked if they charge for your upload of your DNA results to their site.)

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Joseph--Is PM Postal mail? What is it? Sorry not to know, but then, I think you must be talking with Virgil, not me. YOur message to him was sent to me. Oh Well.

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PM Private message. Do they have it for this forum. I'm used to Face Book

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Thanks.

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Hi, I have tried to get anything from them; only thing I can get is the link they allow which is what I included with the DNA set up.  The prior DNA tests my father and I took, they sent us full printouts, and sent the full everything to The Castor Association of America, who helped me with the DNA tests at the time.  It was just before my father passed, we took the test when he was in the hospital.  But I have asked a few folks who I should retest with ... I will look into FTDNA.

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Virgil, Best call ftdna.com tomorrow early in the day as possible--phone lines are freer. (free-er).  (713) 868-1438 .

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Yes I have many of my ancestors from the Alsace Lorraine region and Switzerland.  Most were here before the Revolutionary War.  My gedmatch number is A973944.

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I found this idea intriguing and wanted to participate since I had what I thought were German ancestors in early western Pennsylvania.  I checked GEDmatch to see if there were any on Chromosome 2 in the 106-126 range.  Not a single one showed up. Now my half brother and I share a really long segment (193.222 cM) on Chromosome 2 (45,863,810 - 242,669,396) that includes your range but none of our matches with other individuals fall in the precise range you are looking for.  Very interesting idea though.

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I​ don't know if you're still doing this, but if you are my great grandfather, Standley-460, represents a festival of the kind of PA German endogamy you seek. 3/4 of his tree is from Germans who migrated from eastern PA to Frederick Co MD to southwestern PA. See my tree here (my DNA data is on GEDmatch). I've run across relatives of his with the same guy in their ancestry as many as 5 times!

His wife's pedigree has a small and undetermined fraction of early PA German as well.

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Frank, you are positive for both PG6 and PG16 (see this).  I've added you to the study.

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Hello Rob, how do you know that persons with small matching segments (e.g. 1 cM) are not identical by state (IBS)? https://isogg.org/wiki/Identical_by_state

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Thanks, Rob! Somehow I missed your note back in November - I will check that out!!. I'm new at this!

I'm as skeptical of the "small segment" issue as the next guy, but it sounds like this study is doing something beyond simply lowering thresholds to ridiculous levels, and adding up a bunch of false centimorgans. Maybe if you do something special you can squeeze some extra information out of these amazing little molecules - I'm open-minded and hopeful!

Genetic genealogy is still a very new field, and while we will see the occasional crackpot theory that doesn't pan out, there's plenty of room for mind-bogglingly innovative new techniques and discoveries as well!

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Andreas West,

I responded a while back, but I wanted to check in to see how the "small segment" project is going. Since you brought up the request for descendants of early Germans, via DNA, I have "found" DNA cousins for my ancestors who are Ukrainian. I know nothing of the Ukrainian side past my grandparents, so I was very excited. The two cousins alerted me to a FaceBook group, called Lemko Ancestry and DNA, where they collect GEDmatch kits and help people find their relatives. In some cases, I have tried to see if some of those people were a match to me using the ordinary compare features on Ancestry or 23&Me, or even GEDmatch, but they have not come up as matches. So how are they doing what they do? I have heard the term chromosome matching, but I don't understand it.

Are you doing something similar to enable those with early German ancestry to find their DNA cousins?

Sincerely,

Kissinger-162

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Sorry for my late answer, Alexandra. I'm indeed concentrating indirectly on the "small segment" project by finalizing our web app https://www.yourDNA.family - launched to be this summer.

I haven't done any more comparisons though for Pennsylvania DNA and that will surely only commence in 2019 as it's a side project.

Sorry to not have any better news for now.

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Thank you, Andreas. I will watch for the web app this summer!

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My paternal ancestors came from Grottkau, Silesia, Prussia and settled in the Wilkes barre, Lucerne, PA area.  My maternal side came over from Baden and Swiss side of Baden, who also settled in Lucerne area of PA . I have DNA with Ancestry .

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Family names, Goeringer,Goringer, Reigner, Malique, Landerer,Landers, Muri, Walters,Corcoran, Reinert, Reinhardt, Reinhart, Fehlinger, Schmett, Rouen, Cawley, Davidhausr, Leukert, Eger, Zangerle, Richards,Thomas, Seifer,Schultheiss

Gedcom 120309   Gedmatch  A398834  Ancestry DNA  solorow12

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Ok...not sure what I am am looking at....the first line of the shared page is shared cM and longest cM is 48.2.....and it goes down from there......

Is that a BINGO?

Denise

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You have only one of the spellings of what is actually the Rinehart/rinehardt name. There are 30 actual ways out there to spell it but it all leads you back to 2 main branches of the same familt tree both starting in Germany.

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Hi, 

I have dna uploaded to gedmatch as well as other sites .   Kids folks were early 1700s in Burke County, PA :  Lohl/Lale/Lagle/Lail.  

I have posted my dna results to several sites, but started with AncestryDNA, username KC_Weber, on Gedmatch I’m Kit # A252387, on My Heritage Kit# AN-C3F191, and Family Tree DNA Kit # B373681.

My ancestor surnames include:
Weber, Kountz, Kunze , Lale, Scott, Wiseman, Culver, Sheckell, Coy, Vinson, Ross, Blaesy, Blase, Garber, Dempwolf, Greve, Kuhlmann, Hauck, Bergfeld, Ayd, Haller, Ochs, Walsh, Barrett, Weiss, Lynch, and Clark

Most common geography: Missouri, Minnesota, Indiana, Arkansas, Kentucky, Illinois, Switzerland (Canton Aargau), Germany (Baden, Braunschweig, Niedersachsen, Prussia), Ireland (County Mayo), North Carolina, Virginia,New York and Pennsylvania.

Let me know if any of this might be familiar.

Hope to hear from you,

Ken Weber

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Andreas West, are you still working on this project? My 7x GG was one of the thirteen original founders of Germantown, PA.

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I've had my DNA tested myself, but I haven't found any particularly close matches with anyone yet.

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Hi Andreas,

I have many, many ancestors of German ancestry, mainly on my Mother's side. My Gedmatch kit number for my Autosomal test is #A541691. I have also done a Mitochondrial test on FTDNA - Kit #B28151.

Probably of less interest is my YDNA-111 test at FTDNA under the same Kit #B28151.

Please let me know if these tests are of any value to you and thank you for including me in your research.

RWM

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Hi Andreas,

I see others replying to your original question and thought I'd check in, to see whether you are proceeding on the PA German settlers in PA yet?

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Hi Andreas,

My 5th Great Grandfather Henry Hoch arrived between 1731 and 1760 in Warwick,Lancaster PA. The surname is Hoch, Hock, Hoag, and variants. He drops out of the sky and starts a family, but I cannot connect him to any of the numerous Hoch lines in all of PA. It would be great if your triangulation techniques break through my 30 year brick wall.

My Gedmatch A210482 and T560065 and Genesis # FX3925909.

My FTDNA KIT# 372798.

I have a 107 of 111 DNA match with David High and his FTDNA kit numbers are: T526398 and T413929. His Gedmatch number is T649417.

My Aunt has Gedmatch number A780215.

Looking forward to hearing your results. Thanks for including me in your research.

Bruce Hoch

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Hi Alexandra,

this has unfortunately taken a dimension that I can't handle so I only have the time to check occasionally. Yesterday I spend the whole day at comparing segments, writing all the info up as I have found at least one strong candidate segment from the Eifel or Hunsrueck region (Northern part of Palatine). But in general I unfortunately have not enough time as I do write an app that hopefully one day will also allow us to easily compare and do this kind of regional IBS studies (IBS because I believe that we're going too far back to find still the common ancestor - these are general populations of Palatine ancestors who gaves us that DNA).

I also hope that people will see from my examples what to do and how to compare and use it and do it themselves. Not matching me doesn't mean you don't have find traces of Palatine ancestors in your data. You just have to compare with others who have posted here there GEDmatch numbers.

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Hi Bruce,

unfortunately I don't have the time to do the triangulation for you. It's not a small thing to do manually. Two approaches I can recommend:

1) If you want to find TG's to overcome your dead end and find out where your Henry Hoch is coming from use the threshold of 500 SNP's and 5 cM. Don't go any lower for that, obviously the longer the genetic distance and the more SNP's the closer is the match usually and more likely to be IBD.

2) If you're interested in the deep Palatine ancestry research (which is more putting people into general segments of Palatine peoples and goes way further back in time) then use 1 cM and the same 500 SNP's.

Those smaller segments you find will still triangulate with others (as hopefully the larger will). The check the family trees and communicate with your DNA cousins.

Hopefully soon our app will be finished and we can offer automatic triangulation, Facebook like discussion groups per each TG to work together with your DNA cousins on finding MRCA's and CA's. If you're interested in the features, we've just updated this info on our website: Your DNA family and you will find screenshots and videos in our Your DNA family Facebook group

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Ken Weber, 

You and I match on Chromosome 4: My kits on GEDmatch are A876449 and M097275

Genesis kit is DK1107142

 

4

180,332,984

182,710,817

5.1

572

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Thank you, Andreas.

I know that many of my ancestors came from the Rhineland-Pfaltz area, so I guess I will just continue to try to find matches with those who respond to your research question.

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That’s a good start, Alexandra. Use the “Kits that match one or two kits” feature to find a third independent kit (or more) to triangulate this segment.

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we have no matching dna

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I have 13 matches to Rockefeller (NY), at least 4 to Reifenberg (many spellings). Three Reifenberg women married Rockefeller's and one Rivenburg man married a Rockefeller.There are many other Germans in my tree, mostly from Hesse. They came to NY, and while a lot of them stayed there, some migrated onward. I have German speaking Swiss who were in Pennsylvania for many generations. I'm on GedMatch, ancestry, My Heritage, FTDNA 23andMe and Geni. My brother has Y-DNA on FTDNA.

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I so wish I understood DNA. I'm not even at a beginner level.

I have early German ancestors https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Salvatore-85

Back to the Mayflower and those that bought land from William Penn and came over. Then just other German Ancestors who came over.

Haplogroup U5a2a1d

Ancestry.com member louannhalpin

Family Tree DNA kit 817149

         GEDmatch ID A593513

My husband is much more German than I am

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Halpin-348

Ancestry.com user name: GregHalpin

I thought he had uploaded his Ancestry DNA to GEDmatch will have to check that and edit this if he did.

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I do not recall if I may have responsed but I do have early German ancestors to Pennsylvania:

Johan (John) Wendel Engel / Angel (JWE) abt 1751-1818, arriving 1762 probably lived in Lancaster, PA.  We have not been able to prove it, but it looks as though he was probably born Freinsheim, Pfalz, Germany to Johann Jost Engel and Johanna Edamina Neuzehnhoeltze.  If correct, his brother, Johan Jacob Engel 1753-1800 is buried at Saint Johns Genants Cemetery findagrave memorial 68429309.  I have looked for family members of Jacob to test - no luck so far.

JWE married Charlotte Maria Shalley from Lancaster, PA whos father Hans Adam Shalley is from Pfalz, Germany.  We have DNA matches to this family back to Hans Adams' father Joahnn Ludwig Schelli  born Marientahl, Ahrweiler, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany.

I have had myself and my siblings, and 1st cousins test in various venues: Ancestry.com, FamilyTreeDNA (including my father big Y), 23 and me.  I am Angel-983.  GEDmatch ID A097468.

I would love to connect and verify my Engel/Angle line prior to JWE.  This has been an elusive family.  I can not find all of his 10 children, half of which may have born in Pennsylvania, but others in Davidson Co, TN, and St. Genevieve, MO aka Historical New France and Missouri Territory.

Laurie Angel

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Hi Laurie,

When I changed the levels to the following, we had quite a few matches:

My German ancestors all settled in Pennsylvania, and the Wendel name struck a chord. However, it isn't in my family tree (that I know of). My names are Meyer/Moyer/Schaeffer/Kissinger/Klinger/Haag/Reiter/Mueller/Miller/Kobel, and a few others

Comparing Kit A097468 (Laurie Angel) and A876449 (Alexandra Florimonte)

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 100 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 4.0 cM

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Hi Laurie,

If I look only at my Lancaster, PA ancestors, I would have to start with https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Meyer-6881 and go back. I still don't see your Engel or Wendel surnames, but, we do share a lot of DNA at the lower numbers. I don't know enough to tell anything from it!

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I checked my very robust Ancestry.com tree: I have Kessingers in Illinois that married a member of my Brown family married into (just discovered this in the past month).  Furthest back so far is Josiah Dodge Kessinger (1812 Kentucky -1900 Montgomery Co, Illinois).

Laurie

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Andreas,

 Gedmatch kit H879189. I have many autosomal matches which may be of some interest. On my maternal side, German ancestor Cypert-5  born June 22, 1716, Palantinate, Germany. Cypert may be a respelling of the German name Seibert. I also have the names Overman and Belman from Germany in my tree.

Using Gedmatch.com autosomal V2.1.1(c)  I have a good match to Ingrid Dinger T231565 on Chr 12 using SNP's count Minimum threshold size of 50 SNP's, cm size 1cm. I am a newbie when it comes to DNA and thought it would be better if you took a look.

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Thanks for the info Andrea's. Any update on when your app will be ready?

Thank you

Bruce

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Hi Chris (Wallace),

it's not advisable to go down to 1cM and 50 SNP's only as you're basically looking for segments that are thousands of years old. You can find out if you compare yourself to one of the ancient DNA samples on GEDmatch like:

M107790 I0118 Alberstedt LNBA

M324645 I0112 BellBeaker

M224345 I0103 Corded Ware Germany

M348611 I0104 Corded Ware Germany

M313201 I0099 HalberstadtLNBA

You will see that you match them as well ;-)

Andreas

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Hello Bruce and others,

it's my best advice to follow (like) our Facebook page Your DNA family Facebook page as we're posting updates on our progress there, including screenshots and sometimes videos (there will be more videos coming once we're launching).

The launch is a moving target and in software development things will go wrong if they can (was that Murphy's law?). We're still bug hunting but there are days (like today) where (knock on wood) so far no new error is reported by the beta users. But we had quite some yesterday ;-)

Unfortunately that also means that I can't check out all the GEDmatches numbers that people continue to post. I don't even have much time for my own genealogy research as it's basically just coding day & night.

But once we launch those with Palatine ancestors will have the ability to search for them together with their other DNA cousins in the triangulated groups that are identified to be from Germany/the Palatine. It will be great to see how that works out as through the beta testing it has become very clear that the common ancestor is usually way further back then what the DNA testing companies are telling us (or rather predicting).

But we do have already some great success stories so please keep on trying to triangulate and then work with your DNA cousins on getting the family trees further developed until you merge!

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Hi Andreas and all-

I do have german settlers that were in PA, mostly in the 1700s. It will take me a bit to filter through to compile them as  I am doing this on my iphone.

My GEDmatch profile is 458350, Caitlin Grossman. 

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You forgot one letter in your gedmatch Kit number.

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You’re right! I grabbed my profile number instead of kit number!! Oooops.

CORRECT Gedmatch Kit number

A405042

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I found 19 matches on Gedmatch that we both match to!

My email is brhoch2000@yahoo.com    Bruce

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Interesting,

we have two matches who match both our profiles.

Mine is MD9829559 and I am German. A few of my ancestors emigrated to different parts of the US.

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Comparing Kit MD9829559 (Marcus Horstmann) [MyHeritage] and Kit A876449 (Alexandra Florimonte) [Migration - F2 - A]

Chr	B37 Start Pos'n	B37 End Pos'n	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
6	44,046,143	45,787,468	3.5	257
6	107,193,215	110,950,048	4	530
6	136,228,219	137,889,729	3	221
11	111,302,619	113,866,551	3.4	330
12	17,497,890	20,336,152	3.1	416
13	21,068,591	22,480,932	3.3	219
18	9,464,119	10,197,500	3.1	216

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Hello Andreas. Since I messaged you in 2018 I used a 23 and Me kit instead of an Ancestry kit for Gedmatch and expanded my tree using DNA from 1000 to nearly 19000.

The new Gedmatch kit number is KB1416083P1.

This new kit helped me find and confirm 65 cousins to my Henry Hoch 1731-1827 on Ancestry.

I am still trying to confirm if one of two grandsons of Balthasar Hoch is my 6th GGF.  My cousins have DNA matches to both sides and I am trying to figure out the best way to resolve the issue.

I will try your techniques as mentioned above in our earlier conversation. If you'd like to try my new kit number I'd be interested in your findings.

Thanks for any help.

Bruce Hoch

brhoch2000@yahoo.com

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I have three kits on GedMatch, one for me, and for my two sisters.  My GEDMatch numer is A055209, one sister is A757550, and the other ister is M554302.

We are descended from Benedict Kepner (also Kepler) Sr., (born 8 Dec 1679 in possibly Wurtemburg) and his wife Barbara Catherine (Unknown).  They and 5 sons (possibily daughters too?) came to New Hanover Township, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania in about 1720.  Benedict's grandson, Benjamin Kepner (1750-1804) married Maria Susanna Strauss, the daughter of Albrecht Strsuss (immigrated to New York before 1711 and was in the Queen's War) and his wife, Martha Zerbe.  Anna Maria Margaretta Zerbe (3 Feb 1715-7 May 1787) was the daughter of Johann Martin Zerbe (baptized 17 December 1671 at Kettenberg, Nasau, Hessen) and his wife Anna Elizabetha "Maria" Jungel.  They came to Livingston Manor, Duchess County New York, and moved to Berks County, Pennsylvania before 1739.

Youc can follow my line at Kepner-132.  

Kettenbach, Nassau, Pru

Kettenbach, Nassau, Prussia)

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Knortzer-3 and Upp-28 are my 5xg grandparents.  They emigrated from Germany in the mid-1700s and settled in the York, Pa area.  My Gedmatch ID is T426982.

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You and I both match wendyjlmissouri. She is a Wampler-Kinsey match to me. Any Wampler or Kinsey/Kuntzi in your tree?

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Although we share several matches, we don't match each other (one-to-one autosomal at 3cM level).

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Hello Lewis,

you can't use 3 centiMorgan as a threshold. This will bring us back to 300 BC for a common ancestor as per Professor Itzik Pe'er.

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Hi, my name is Aubrey Teeter which was Dieter on the mid 1700's. I'm related to the Teeter's that come from Germany to North Carolina not PA. We have yet connected to Germany with that name. I also have some German on my mother's side. I'm curious what you will find.

GEDmatch M156615

Thank you

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Hi Audrey, we share a few small DNA segments (all<4cM).  Not much to go on from a genetics perspective.  I did look at our shared matches and no family surnames jumped out at me.  I looked at a couple of Gedcoms of shared matches with same result.

Answer 1

Hi Andreas,

My family settled in Wilkes Barre, PA area...I am GEDMATCH A398834, GEDCOM 120309, 23&Me ZN2782201, DNA Kit 23-3585E9.

  Names..Paternal:   .GOERINGER, Reinert, Corcoran,Feather,Sheler,Cawley,Ruane.  

 Maternal:  Landers(Landerer), Eger,Muri, Walters, Richards. Thomas, Jenkins.     Grottkau, Prussia, Baden, Germany, Wales, UK, Ireland are countries involved.

Answer 2

I have a few old German immigrant branches, chiefly the Volbrecht/Fulbrights and the Olingers, both direct lines to two different great-great grandparents. The myOrigins map on FTDNA "thinks" that I'm 50% Western/Central European.

We share 6 ~4 cM segements, the highest being 4.7.

Comments

Bingo, we have a triangulated segment with Bill Derr (M591407), Edythe Walmer (F386581), B R Bolton (F287201), Vivian Lenett Shirley (F364099) and my mum (M014747) at chromosome 2 from 130-133 bp.

So welcome to our extended family, you have a couple of new cousins! Thanks for your answer, that is further proof of that suspected German settlers relationship. The ancestral segment is small (3.9 cM) but it's part of a larger segment that is mostly cut into many smaller pieces for most of us.

Will contact you directly for next steps but that's more than I hope for when I wrote this question.

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Anytime I see BINGO as the first word in a comment to an answer I will make it the best answer - though this answer was so cool and the comment even cooler.  MAgs

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Thanks Mags and sorry for not having found time to come back to you on the translation job. Being busy in the categorization project and the rest of genealogy (in what spare time is left).

Your comment made me smile and that's worth a lot, thanks!

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Andreas,130-133bp on 2 you say. I have a 27 cM match at 121-152 on 2 but it seems she and I share more than one relative in Missouri and so I've been trying to sort that out. We definitely share a 3rd old German immigrant line though, the Wolfskehl/Wolfskills. http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wolfskehl-2

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Carrie,  You noted "We share 6 ~4 cM segements, the highest being 4.7. "

It does not appear your autosomal DNA is phased.  If that is the case, then experts advise you only work with segments above 7 cM.

Sincerely,

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Peter, yes indeed. Once I got a DNA match with Gail Richard Quackenbush, descendant of my 8th great uncle, for only 9 cMs (from the endogamous New Netherlands population even), I quit looking at anything less than 15 because few people know their tree that far back anyway.

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As a general rule I agree with you however I've tried to explain this isn't necessary in this case.

Peter you seem to mean that all these matches are IBS or IBC, yet you can't have looked at every match in detail and put those now around 90 matches from 11 people on one ancestral segment in a spreadsheet like I did. If you like I can send it to for your review. 22 of these matches are above 7 cM, not counting one more at 6.9 cM.

Having phased data is a luxury that only few of us have. I'm lucky enough to have DNA tests for both of my parents.

If your theory would be correct, what happens to a 8 cM segment that gets split up exactly in two 4 cM segments when given to the next generation? It changes from IBD to IBS/IBC just because it's now smaller than 7 cM? Sorry but I can't follow that logic.

 

Making such a statement like above will mislead the less well informed to believe that everything under 7 cM (or 10 cM as others are saying) is IBS/IBC by default which isn't true.

If you want to paint your whole chromosomes you have to go down with your minimum criteria eventually. As the end point has moved further I now have another group of two cousins that were unclear so far (meaning didn't triangulate under 23andme match criteria) that actually fall onto the same ancestral segment. I hope I can convince them to upload their raw data to GedMatch to proof that they belong to the same common ancestors (both match my mum and myself, so it's not my fathers chromosome they match on).

Answer 3

I am skeptical of short-segment DNA matches, but it doesn't hurt to add my name to your list. I have German ancestry in eastern Pennsylvania in the colonial era, but I don't have a great deal of information about them (and some of what I do have isn't on Wikitree yet). Germany family names in Pennsylvania include Sultzbach in York County, and Tice (probably Theiss?), Fritz, Miller, Wingard (possibly Wenger?), possibly Himmelberger, Bechtel, Garver (Garber?), and Stoppelbein.

My gedmatch ID is listed on my Wikitree profile.

Comments

Thanks Ellen for your comment and raising the hand and thanks to all the others that have sent me a PM. I'm a bit overwhelmed with work right now but promise to take a look at your kit no over the weekend and will come back to each and anyone of you.

Hope that we will have more matches!

Thanks a lot to everyone responding

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Hi Ellen,

I've checked and the largest segment I see is 785 SNP's for 5.8cM at chr 16 for matching my mum (from 30-50 mbP). This is unfortunately crossing a centromere, an area that should always be treated a bit more carefully when it come to matching results (though another opinion is that those centromeres also have to be inherited like any other part of a chromosome).

I do have a small pileup with a lot of people with a similar length that what my mum matches with you. So that might lead back to a common ancestor far back or is what some people call IBP (by population). I've looked through your well researched family tree and didn't see anything familiar, it seems anyway that those that you identified so far came to the U.S. pretty far back in time.

If we do share a common ancestor then that would support the idea that it was back in the 1600-1750 region maybe. GedMatch is unfortunately very slow today but I will see if I can find matches with other people in that pile-up region of chr 16.

BTW, did you ever receive an invite to share on 23andme? I couldn't find you in any accepted match.

 

Forgot to write that those on chr 2 in the area that I've described in my question are all very small. The largest part is 255 SNP's and the biggest genetic distance is 3.1cM.

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Hi, Andreas. As you know, 23andMe shows only the ~1000 closest DNA matches, and it no longer shows me people I'm not already sharing with as DNA Relatives unless the match percentage is at least about 0.18% (typically about 13 cM). I have many DNA relatives, presumably because much of my ancestry is in the early colonial New England population. Accordingly, it's unlikely that you and I would have tried to share at 23andMe.

Gedmatch shows me matching you on 7.9 cM, but (as you noted) I match your mom on only 5.8 cM, indicating that the 7.9 cM match is not really an IBD segment. Interestingly, I don't find any other 23andMe or Gedmatch contacts on that same part of chromosome 16.

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Wow, I'm still at 0.10% but I have about 400 people that accepted the sharing request and I invite everyone to share.

You are right, my segment is artificially enlarged to 7.9 cM it can't be larger than my mums (unless there was a reading error on her part). I've checked also vs our phased profile for my mum and it gets even smaller:

 

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
16	82129738	82873782	3.0	337

 

So I guess our common ancestor is too far back (meaning not within the genealogical time frame). But thanks for raising the hand.

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Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
1	15,402,923	18,376,983	6.3	770

 

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
8	87,947,962	93,265,947	2.7	840

 

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
10	56,836,579	61,135,719	3.2	872

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
13	91,090,294	94,339,520	5.1	845

 

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Again a couple nice matches > 500 SNP's. Thanks for checking Summer and maybe they will turn up eventually. Have send you a PM.

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Ellen, you are positive for a short PG16 (see this), but that's probably not a surprise to you, as you have a number of Pennsylvania Germans.  PG6 and PG16 seem like spectral lines, or a haplogroup, that is characteristic of a certain population, but not big enough by themselves to prove anything.

I noticed that upon decreasing the minimum SNP count to 450, there were 4 small segments, which indicates a probability of a very distant relation.  I believe I do have one or two very distant Smith's, but no time to follow up on that just now.  (And I don't think I've added them to WikiTree yet.)

Summer, you were one of the cases where you weren't positive but several of your relatives were.  In fact, 3 of your relatives were positive for PG16, 2 of them with larger than average segments.  I have to assume therefore that you barely missed being positive, that something from your non-Binkley side broke up the PG16 segment.

Answer 4

I've got German ancestors that immigrated to Pennsylvania.  Names include Pabst (changed to Bapst and Pope), Kieffer, Frey/Fry, Muller (became Miller), Burns.  They were mostly in Berks county, Pennsylvania.  I've tested both of my parents and myself for autosomal.  Gedmatch IDs are F8468, A179614, A789447.

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Darlene, this is you and I

 

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
2	134,334,310	137,524,538	2.5	747

 

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
6	44,309,712	47,059,624	4.3	710

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
12	56,398,456	64,649,337	6.4	1,650
12	108,592,640	112,697,844	3.3	728

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
13	80,683,271	84,746,118	2.2	789

 

 

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Darlene -- my wife has Eastern PA Fry's in her tree.
The latest is her 3G-Grandmother Eve Elizabeth Fry (Smith) (1787-1862).
I am new here and haven't had my Gedcom import from Ancestry approved yet.

Mark

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Darlene, you and 3 relatives were positive for PG6 (see this), probably not a surprise with multiple Pennsylvania Germans in your ancestry.

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No, not a surprise, but pretty darn neat (IMHO)!  Thanks, Rob.

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Mark, do you know the ancestor of Eve Elizabeth Fry Smith?  My Frey/Fry family immigrated in 1731 through Philadelphia.  They went to Berks and then Bucks, Pennsylvania, then went to Burke and Lincoln, North Carolina.

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Darlene, I just checked out of curiosity (i usually don't because the match is so low it just makes me crazy knowing I'll never figure it out) Anyway, I match A179614 at 15cM and my uncle matches at 9.6cM. That's the highest I think I've had just randomly taking the time to check. Haha. My surnames are Moser, Culler, Binckele of the German's from PA. They settled in Stokes/Surry Co along the Great Wagon Rd. I've spent enough time in the old cemeteries here to know most of the surnames and Fry is definitely one, but I haven't seen them cross into my tree so far. (A065385 is mine and A069612 is my uncle.)

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We have Bobst/Pabst/Pope (and about 40 more spellings) married in Kentucky to our Brecht/Bright (from Berks in PA - and from Schriesheim in Neckar River area in Germany - but left about 1726) - b

Answer 5

I'm a Kimmel descendant and I beileve my Groomer ancestors were probably originally Grömer. There's also Heishman & Zimmerman.

Comments

Any kit number that you can provide me with for comparison? You can PM me if you don't want to post it.

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Andreas, it's on my WikiTree profile. I am M142637 and my late brother is T112807

Answer 6

My family has many early PA settlers that were German. GEDMATCH: GEDMatch ID A506599

Comments

Many small matches with both my aunt and my dad (22 and 20 segments > 500 SNPs). Thanks!

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Doug, look at my kit A426089.

Looks like 25.4 cm match on Chr 10.

Chris StJohn

Answer 7

I do have German ancestry that passed through Pennsylvania.  On a quick check at GEDmatch we don’t share any segments (1.0 cM but still 700 SNP) but I do share segments with Marieta West on chromosomes 13 (1.5 cM) and 16 (3.2 cM).

There are a couple of papers by Michael R. Maglio on small segment inheritance.  In “Minimum Inherited DNA Segment Size and the Introduction of Familial Autosomal Haplotypes” (4 Mar 2015) he states in the abstract “Naturally occurring cleavage sites allow for small segments to exist at recurring chromosomal locations.  These small segments can be used as familial markers in an autosomal haplotype.”  He identified a segment on chromosome 2 that seems to triangulate across all European surnames; it is in the range of 134-138 million.  He followed this with “Autosomal DNA and the Triangulation of Small Segments: A Statistical Approach” (19 Mar 2015).  Meanwhile he was doing a study looking for small segments that identify Stephen Hopkins (Mayflower) descendants.  This is reported in “Autosomal Haplotypes and the Genetic Reconstruction of Family Trees” (15 Apr 2015).  The net result is “OriginsConnector”, a new genealogical service (for a fee) that will check for descent from a large number (1000?) of 17th century immigrants to both Virginia and New England.

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Dear Fred, thank you so much for your link to Michael's papers. I got a lot of flak and criticism in the DNA mailing list for my approach and I felt like I was the only one in the world who believed that even a small triangulated match is still a triangulated match and therefore a cousin group.

Michael delivered not only the proof with his work on some famous people, he also delivered the statistical evidence to counter their main arguments against the method by showing how unlikely there is a IBC (identity by Chance - basically created by the matching algorithm).

Currently the DTC's are only focusing on the large segments as an identifier of a triangulated group (TG) which is ok but no one has looked into the evidence that Michael has also proven that each of them had on average 6 small segments from that MRCA. So yes, the DTC's trigger the first step but once you know you found a TG than you have to identify the other much smaller segments that got split up from generation to generation and have unfortunately not "survived" as a large ancestral segment.

Now if I only could find some time to go through all the ones that answered. Really sorry that I didn't manage so far but I'm trying to find the time to write a small application that helps me keep track of all the hundreds of small matches that each two kit produces with a 1cM minimum criteria (the tool should basically identify the smaller ancestral segments for me, it's taking too much time manually).

So please bear with me and thank you for your patience

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Andreas,

I am getting lots of matches with people with early colonial US ancestry, many with German ancestors so I did a check test for a bit of fun.  Only 500/3 though. (Is 50/1 a typo?).

My kit T350954 matches you with a 4.7cM match on C02.  It also matches my fathers paternal phased kit to 4.4cMs.  The area appears to be in a pile up region.

Interesting thing though is that two cousins have tested and we have a more significant triangulated match on a different chromosome.  They also appear to have overlapping segments with you on C02.  When I look at them only you, I and A380192 triangulate.  The other cousin A138020 doesn't seem to triangulate with you.

Our shared ancestors are http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Chester-272 and http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Austin-2989.  Both from Somerset, England, with ancestor surnames of unknown origin Nouth/Nuth, Vaughan.

Look forward to seeing what you make of all this.

Veronica

 

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Is the segment area on C02 133.0-137.4?  As that is where I seem to triangulate with Andreas?

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Check my kit at A426089, looking like a 603.0 cm match over 24 segments.

Chris StJohn

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Chris, thats very large.  With which kit did you compare it too?  You and I have no match - who did you mean to alert?

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Sorry. I mis-entered the kit number. Chris

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Pity, I was a bit excited for a bit!

Answer 8

I have 2 German lines that passed through Pennsylvania (Stauffer/Stover) and (Lohnes/Lonas), I am Kit A239508. 

On your triangulated group up there, I match Edyth on Chr 2 for 2.7cM; BR Bolton on chr 6;

myself and Vivian, we share 3 segments.

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
2	233,637,754	235,303,819	4.2	717

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
7	11,792,364	13,899,895	3.5	710

Chr	Start Location	End Location	Centimorgans (cM)	SNPs
8	90,284,765	95,245,580	3.2	845

 

 

 

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Chr

Start Location

End Location

Centimorgans (cM)

SNPs

21

40,198,919

42,215,115

8.7

812

1

182,591,275

191,320,777

5.7

1,455

 

All with my mum's sister. 

 

I have a TG with 3 more cousins on that chr 21 on 23andme.

 

Gedmatch shows no match between my mum and you. Her test is from 23andme as well. Hmh, can it be that there is a problem with 23andme v4 kits right now at Gedmatch??

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I don't know.  Mine was done through Ancestry, not 23 and me.

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Check my kit A426089. It looks like a 43.1 cm match.

 

Chris StJohn

Answer 9

One of my walls : http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kennard-322 Penn. Also Duseler/Dussler/Dußler from Germany to Herkimer Co., (1752) Niagra Co., NY; spread far & wide. 

Still searching Antwerp, Belgium departure to U.S / from Germany; (not sure about much of Anton/Anthony Wenzlich (SP) : http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wenzlich-2 & http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kesselring-109 also Germany.

 Am 11% East Europe & 11% Western Europe, listed on gedmatch.com kit# A275537 , lets get some...

 Hilfe, Spiele, verrückte Deutsche Up-In-Here ! :)

Comments

Any kit number that you can provide me with for comparison? You can PM me if you don't want to post it.

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kit# A275537

Answer 10

Hello,

I have done a Y-DNA  and Family Finder Test. (Although I still have no idea what to do with them now)  My Mother's Cousin, Shaffer, has done a Y-DNA as well.  That side of my family is from nothing but German Pioneers in Pennsylvania.  We even have living relatives still in Germany who have taken DNA Tests.  They would be The Straub's (also related to President Obama)

They all came from The then Lancaster, Berks, Northampton Counties and some from the Conrad Weiser group in the Hudson River Valley (Settlement by Palatines on the east side (East Camp) of the Hudson River was accomplished as a result of Governor Hunter's negotiations with Robert Livingston, who owned Livingston Manor in what is now Columbia County, New York. (This was not the town now known as Livingston Manor on the west side of the Hudson River). The ones in PA are from the 1710's and 1720's Germany. The surnames are Albright, Steffen, Pfrang, Straub, Schumacher, Hoffman, Zimmerman, Flinspach, Zimmerman, Meyer, Krum, Klee, Brecht, Lang, Heller, Schockinger, Reickher, Deihm, Detschler, Mayer, Meyer, Majer, Mjeir, Storzbach, Kreiger, Karnagel, Stahl, Gaugler, Gaukler, Steffe, Speidel, Gulde, Haug, Kauffman, Kaufmann, Rath, Roush, Zink, Reichenbach, Martin, Dreytwein, Brezing, Gorman, Weikel, Fetter.

This is what I have for my Mother's side so far.

Comments

Wow exactly what I've been looking for Schumacher Steffans and Hoffman. Albert Henry Schumacher who married a Stefan's and they travel down from Poland or Germany to Pennsylvania. I'm having a whole lot of trouble matching my DNA or my mom's DNA these lines

Answer 11

I am not sure how early you are looking for, but my husband (he's out of town or would be responding himself) has alot of family that settled in western PA in the 1800s.  His profile is Nelson-9731 and his GedMatch ID is A121738.  I did not see a match when doing a quick look, but perhaps you will find more.

Good luck!

Answer 12

Yes; I just added (today) to Wikitree notice that I took the Ancestry DNA Test thIs spring. Surnames that I have in Pennsylvania are Stahl, Dressler, Tressler, Bastress and either Gelnett or Shetterly. There are others but those are the ones I am working with right now.

Comments

Hello David,

I hope you will add more of your ancestry to WikiTree.

Answer 13

I'm your huckleberry.

Roughly a quarter of my ancestry is German, coming from both of my grandmothers and much of it from those who settled in Pennsylvania.

It may be helpful to you to know how it breaks down as my guess is you are likely looking for Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry.

My paternal grandmother's family came from 3 main German lines. The most recent line (Reuter, Ost, Uphoff) immigrated to Philadelphia in the mid-19th century and were Catholic from Bundenbach and Birkenfeld region (former Duchy of Oldenburg, now RP), St. Wendel/Morbach Saarland region and Emsdetten in Württemberg.

Another line (Bender, Fridburg) immigrated to colonial Philadelphia in the early 18th century. They came from the Kraichgau region in Germany.

These two lines appear to be very diverse in their stock... intermarriage not so great as to be considered endogamous.

But then there's the Pennsylvanian Dutch line (Yon, Brown, Höh, Dickensheets, etc.). These ancestors came over in the 17th century and settled in Fredrick County, MD/Adams County, PA, Bedford, Blair and Huntingdon Counties, PA.  Many of them were German Anabaptist (Brethren) and, until the later 19th century, married within their small communities keeping the gene pool rather endogamous. They also came from a region in Germany (Landstuhl, Zweibrücken) whose population was highly endogamous (more on that below.)

My maternal grandmother's mother was 100% German and while her parents (who were first cousins) brought their family over in the late 19th century and settled in Illinois, they came from the very same villages and shared the same surnames as are common among Pennsylvania Dutch (Kettenring, Höh, Hollinger, Biehl, Zimmer, Trautmann, etc.).  They just happened to arrive in the US 150 years or so later.  But they were still incredibly, incredibly endogamous. 

So much so that I can't believe I haven't yet matched up with anyone through those lines...however my one Jewish grandparent's even more endogamous genes seem to be skewing my DNA match results.

My GEDmatch ID: T498657.  And my full GEDCOM (8412103) is also uploaded as well : )  Hope it helps!

 

Answer 14

I also have German ancestry (on both sides) who happened to settle in PA.

I'm still very much a noob when it comes to DNA and the things that you are talking about here, but my kit# is M871553.

Answer 15

Hi, maternal grandfather was Pennsylvania Dutch.  His ancestors were from the current Baden-Wurttemberg area. I do have a kit on gedmatch.com.  It is A345528

Answer 16

FWIW, I also have Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry on my maternal side. But no DNA tests. Last names: Behrens, Bomgardner, Hoerner, Ebersole, Shoop, Krepps. More German on my father's side. A line of Clemmer / Klemmer (and Dettero [Totherow]) goes to Pennsylvania.

Answer 17

My family on my Dad's side is German and Pennsylvanian.  My Dad recently took a Y-chromosome test and we have not yet received the results.  I have uploaded my GED onto Wiki if that will help.  Surnames of Derr, Bodenhamer with Derr being the likely early settler.

Answer 18

My adoptive dad was born in McKeesport, PA, and a good portion of his ancestry is German or Swiss. His ancestry includes Dreer/Dreier (from Hesse-Darmstadt, arrived in NY in 1834 & then moved to PA), Burkhardt (arrived in PA in 1754), Uhlig (from Freiberg & Bayern, arrived in US in 1860s), Lang (Sachsen, arrived in PA before 1875), Kim (Aargau, Switzerland, arrived in PA prior to 1876), Zentner (Glarus, Switzerland, arrived in PA in 1872), Ingfolder (Switzerland, arrived in PA in 1866). Other surnames are Moyers, Naegeli, Kronerin, Vogel, Wolf, Ziemert, Körb, Knerr, Nicasin, Weyer, BitterWunderlin, Baumgartner, Bitterin, and Gersbach.

His DNA kit # is A498909 on GEDmatch.

Answer 19

I have 85% West European DNA and 10% Greece/Italy. All my lines are PA Dutch (Berks, Lancaster Cos PA) except one Irish (5%), with ancestors arriving between 1709 (Tulpehocken Colony) and late 1730s. I have uploaded my Ancestry.com raw DNA file to gedmatch, and will upload my GEDCOM also.I hope this helps.

Answer 20

My 7X Great Grandfather was one of the original 13 settlers of Germantown, Pennsylvania, Paulus Kuster.  Their story is a very interesting one and easily found on the internet. I have done my DNA through AncestryDNA. I have uploaded to GEDmatch.