Are there any plans to redo this website?

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I entered several family records on this website, but find the site too cumbersome to use. There is way too much verbage to wade through and it is always a struggle for me finding the links to click on for the things I'm trying to do (as opposed to maybe some related Help). It gets tiring.

Every time I come back to Wikitree I have to learn how to do things all over again. I just can't do it.

One thing I really like about WikiTree is the levels of privacy control. I also like the commitment to citations.

But the navigability of the site overall is so bad I have made a decision to discontinue use and look elsewhere for the resources I need to preserve my family tree data. I would come back if I found this site became easier to use, like Family Search Family Tree or even Ancestry.

Thanks for hearing me out.
in WikiTree Tech by Susan Barretta G2G Rookie (280 points)

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You are of course perfectly free to save your family information where you so decide but I would make this comment......

The basics of WikiTree are relatively straightforward so until you get the hang of it K.I.S.S. Once you have mastered some of the formatting you can create some very good profiles BUT above all that and above even the excellent privacy controls is the fact that there is ONLY one entry for ONE person.

I have only recently joined WikiTree, and have used Ancestry, Family Search, Find My Past and Genes Reunited and even GENi, but on ALL of these sites a large proportion of information is not only unsourced but plain suspect. Sure they are easier to use, but in my humble opinion that is not a good trade off. I am in the process of transferring all my family history over, so I guess we are passing like ships in the night. Farewell stranger but do come back.
by David Loring G2G6 Pilot (129k points)
selected by Michael Maranda
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I happen to agree with Susan!  I find Wiki Tree cumbersome to say the least!  The source area could use some improvement!  I have tried several different ways to add a source and just can't figure it out!  

I have submitted Gedcoms but can't get them small enough to get them added to Wiki tree!  

Just my .02

Margo
by M Lurvey G2G1 (2.0k points)
Adding a source can be as easy as typing in the biography section of a profile.

Birth: Pennsylvania Dept of Health Birth Certificate. Scranton, Pennsylvania, Annie Kate. 01/20/1945

Death: Obituary. "Annie Kate Died". Pennsylvania Newspaper. 01/20/1988.

There are more elegant ways to do the same thing, but there is no harm in doing simple and obvious, until you can figure out more complicated.
+2 votes
I tend to agree, at least with respect to vast majority of potential Wkitree users who don't spend significant time working or editing family history, although they may be very good and very dedicated family historians and genealogists.

Until editing profiles is "what you see is what you get", there will be a ceiling on Wikitree's potential for me. I have found my family  collaborators find Wikitree to be something they don't want to invest in learning. It simply takes too much time, effort and concentration to edit a profile even in simple HTML, particularly when family history is what fits into brief minutes between full time job and family. I sometimes would just love to make quick edits, but reading the profile on the editing page is sometimes just too much at midnight, when I might be slipping in my family history time.

While in my experience many mentors and others are friendly and available, "do it yourself" help is too many clicks away. And I confess I still do not understand categories and projects. It takes too many clicks to look for projects/categories which profiles I manage may fit. Even should I know of one, I don't understand how to bring them to the attention of project/category managers/members who may be interested in collaborating on that profile where I do not have the time or inclination. For instance, I manage profiles which would fit in US Civil War, US Southern colonies, etc., and would love to have project members collaborate but I don't know how to message them. I think the right hand of the editing page could be used better to encourage this kind of collaboration.

I love WIkitree, and  the idea of Wikitree. It is still the best platform for me, and I am still committed to it within my limitations. But I find myself spending less time. But then, not everything is for everybody all the time, and that's fine, too
by Ellen Curnes G2G6 Mach 8 (85.0k points)
edited by Ellen Curnes
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Hi Susan - I can totally relate to your question -- I had all these issues and more when I first started.  But perseverance can win !!!!

Yes, too many links to to many links -- But - Extensive Help.  If you can't find what you are looking for, ask in G2G or do a "topic" search in G2G -- upper left of screen.  Someone probably already asked and was answered.  (b) When using help (upper RH Screen) click topic letter (G) (jump to) for Gedcom, then topic.

G2G is really the fastest place for answers because help available 24/7 - all time zones.

One of the biggest advantages is one profile per person -- while there are still a lot of dups and many lack narrative/source - by utilizing an existing profile and expanding the bio and attaching to your family, this will eventually resolve itself.  Those sources are critical to resolving the question - is it the same person or not and disproving erroneous information in circulation.

Keep it simple until you are more comfortable -- Make a template for yourself (can do this in word then copy/paste to wiki) include "frequently used items"  in your template (delete those you don't need).

Gail did a really good one here http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:HolocaustProfileTemplate

I use one that is much more simple; basically Parents, birth, marriage, death and simplest of <ref>XXX</ref> for source.

A few links that might help you.

Educating yourself - Extensive Help Index (RH Menu) -- Pretty much everything is there.  Take some time to just "surf" around.
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help_Index#D

Merging - Click "M" then "Merging"
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Merging

Trusted List - Click "T" then "Trusted" List
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Trusted_List
(You can do "individually or as "Bulk" just enter Email of person you are adding.

Helpful links in How To Use WikiTree. It's a great step-by-step guide. 
[http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/How_to_use_WikiTree

pre-1700's ancestors to add - read Pre-1700 profiles info (These can be tricky because they have to have a "Project" before any edits are done.
[http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pre-1700_Profiles

Sources -- I use Familysearch.org a lot -- Its Free -- Almost everything came from there in the beginning.  Stay away from Trees -- "Ancestry" and other "Trees" have too many mistakes and unverified data -- just copies of same old mistakes. (These are only OK to tell you where to look)
-- World Connect is good - but use only if the source info is there.

Also, if you don't like to read -- there are a bunch of Videos -- Click "V" then "Video"
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Video_Help

Above all, don't get discourged -- improvements are being made.  If you need some one-on-one help, let me know - glad to help.

Regards,

 

 

 

 

 

by Sandy Edwards G2G6 Mach 7 (79.5k points)
The point is I have already invested quite a bit of time in this website - just to get the handful of records I got in.

By contrast, I have created or edited existing records of some 900 individuals at Family Search, created some 1400 citations, and was able to do it very quickly. There I spend time adding content, not having to "relearn" a website every time I come back.

It really is a shame, as I would have enjoyed entering my data and finding relatives at Wikitree had there been a more user-friendly interface.

Good luck with your research endeavors everyone.
+6 votes
Out of curiosity, I went over to familysearch.org and started a tree there. It is rather easy to enter data, and their matching algorithm is better than wikitree's. But I didn't find it any easier to add sources, and it doesn't encourage narrative. It seems mostly like a John begat Patrick who begat Ludwig who begat Paulina kinda place.
by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (915k points)
+5 votes
There are no plans for a "redo". We're committed to incremental improvements, though. If you want to be constructive, you could suggest specific improvements, e.g. a particular place where a help link is needed.
by Chris Whitten G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
Even though I'm not the original poster, since they are talking about poor navigability I have some suggestions for improvement.

I feel the second menu (the one that is LNAB-###) is way too long. It extends past the bottom of my screen so I didn't notice there were items beyond "Tree & Tools" until last week. Is this menu even necessary? I believe it only appears when you are viewing a profile, and I think most of the actions from that menu can easily be found on the profile page. Some of the menu items are a little confusing as well, for example "Activity Feed" in the menu is the same as the "Changes" tab on the profile. I feel they should be named the same.
I've also been frustrated by the pull-down menu on that second tab. I can seldom see the whole list, and where it ends depends on what device I'm using and how my screen resolution is set. Fortunately, almost everything  (possibly everything) there that I care about is also available somewhere else. I believe those duplicated items are retained on this tab because some of us got used to finding them on this tab and would be confused if they disappeared (NOT changing things is another aspect of usability).
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An interesting discussion, I too had difficulties with the layout of wikitree when i first started, and pride myself on being tech savy.

This is the best website i have found for data protection and sources of records though, but it does also feel a bit dated and over powering when your new to it. I have also been advised by family members I joined up that they feel over whelmed by it and only wish to know how to do a handful of things nothing more. So have had to give them individual training which I am not convinced they will retain long term.

What helped me was finding the wikitree guides on youtube and I do believe they should be updated and recommended more, also finding an un-official  wiki mentor has helped me greatly

This website does build a strong sense of community so i can understand people feeling protective over it, but development teams usually schedule in regular reviews and bring key target groups in so they can see how different people use and find the site. And we should try to open to these discussions as its the way to further improve the wiki experience for more people overall. Has wikitree's development side perhaps tried a blog or a suggestions box? I would also be interested in seeing a blog on promotions, media interest and marketing of the site as outside of America I'm not convinced its had wide enough coverage yet and that could help people to promote it more widely.
by Paula Dea G2G6 Mach 9 (90.7k points)

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