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Carloman (Pippinid) Landen (abt. 553 - 645)

Carloman "Carloman of Landen, Carloman van Landen" Landen formerly Pippinid aka of Austrasia
Born about in Of, Landen, Liege, Belgiummap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 92 in Landen, Vlaams Gewest, Belgiëmap
Profile last modified | Created 7 Feb 2012
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European Aristocracy
Carloman (Pippinid) Landen was a member of aristocracy in ancient Europe.
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Biography

Carloman is named as the father of Pepin of Landen, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia, in the Vita Pippini ducis, and in the Genealogia regum Francorum as also being Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia for Theudebert II (Thibert or Théodebert), who reigned from 595-612.

However these sources were written in the eleventh and tenth centuries and can't be considered primary sources, and his existence is doubtful. Certainly he isn't mentioned in any list of the Mayors of Austrasia.

Disputed Parents & Dates

Many online genealogies name a number of different of people as the parents of Carloman, but there are no reliable sources for any of these options.

Although a date of birth of about 550 seems reasonable, given his son was born about 580, a death date of 645 must be considered to be highly unlikely. The average life expectancy of adult males during the later Carolingian period was about 40-50 years, and the average age of the Merovingian kings was 34 years

Possible wife

Given the similarity of

This person was created through the import of David Rentschler Family Tree_2010-09-30.ged on 01 October 2010. * Source: S-2087525741 Repository: #R-2142232775 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Note: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. Page: Ancestry Family Trees Note: Data: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=27418815&pid=5388

Name

Name: Carloman Of /Austrasia/
Given Name: Carloman Of
Surname: Austrasia
Name Suffix: [Mayor of the P]

The suffix [Mayor of the P] is non-traditional and may be too long for the WikiTree suffix.

User ID

User ID: 160FB75810B9D511B844080009DD8EDA35D6

Data Changed

Data Changed:
Date: 5 Oct 2001
Time: 00:40

Prior to import, this record was last changed 00:40 5 Oct 2001.

Sources

  • WikiTree profile Of Landen-16 created through the import of YOUNG.ged on Jul 12, 2011 by Zak Young. See the Landen-16 Changes page for the details of edits by Zak and others.
  • WikiTree profile Brabant-108 created through the import of Spencer Family Tree 4 2002.GED on Nov 28, 2011 by Chet Spencer. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Chet and others.
  • WikiTree profile Austrasia-100 created through the import of heinakuu2011-6.ged on Jul 5, 2011 by Johanna Amnelin. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Johanna and others.
  • WikiTree profile Austrasia-123 created through the import of OliveMinverva.ged on Aug 5, 2011 by Ryan Davis. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Ryan and others.
  • Source: S129 Repository: #REPO46 Title: Ancestral File (R) Author: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Publication: Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998
  • Repository: REPO46 Name: Family History Library Address: 35 N West Temple Street CONT Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA




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https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pippinid-1 - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pippinid-2 should be removed as this is being replicated on FamilySearch. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Von_Bayern-11 needs to be removed https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Agilofing-10 needs to be removed https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Austrasia-124 needs to be removed - birth and death dates are made up and should be scrapped.
posted by Rod Piper
This is a fictitious person - there is no historical reference of him anywhere, nor of Gertrude of Bayern. He is not listed as a Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia, because the position did not exist in his lifetime. The profile has been picked up by Geni, Geneanet and Stamboom without relevant historical references. He has been conflated with Carloman, son of Pippin who lived in the 7th century.
posted by Sharon Richards
edited by Sharon Richards
Carloman of Landen lived from 713-754, son of Charles Martel, lived from 688-74, neither of them married Gertrude, the Abbess of Nivelle - she never married! and she was dead before they were born in 659.
posted by Sharon Richards
I think there is a broken reference tag or something that's preventing most of the Bio from displaying (at the moment it cuts off right after the first sentence in the "Biography" section; there is a lot more when you go to "Edit"). I'm afraid of messing up the refs; hopefully someone in the Project can fix this!
Brabant-108 and Pippinid-1 appear to represent the same person because: From son and grandson of Brabant-108 is intended to be the same person as Pippinid-1. Pippinid is the preferred LNAB.
posted by John Atkinson
Austrasia-100 and Pippinid-1 appear to represent the same person because: Both born in Landen, similar birth dates, same date he died. Pippinid is the preferred LNAB
posted by John Atkinson
No credible evidence for his parentage or spouse(s) exists. By consensus of the European Aristocracy user group, links to the contrary have been removed. If you have such evidence, which goes beyond someone else's family-tree, please edit, and cite!
posted by Roger Travis Jr.
Carloman of Austrasia?
posted by [Living Stubbs]

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