Sir
Lancelot
Threlkeld
Born before [location unknown]
Ancestors 
Son of Lancelot Threlkeld
and Margaret (Bromflete) Threlkeld
Brother of
Henry Clifford KB [half], Richard Clifford Esq [half], Elizabeth (Clifford) Aske [half], Jane (Threlkeld) Stapleton, Anne (Threlkeld) Lowther, Margaret (Threlkeld) Simpson and Christopher Threlkeld
Husband of
Ellen (Radcliffe) Threlkeld
— married
before 18 Jun 1472 in Cumberland, England
[uncertain]
[uncertain] Husband of
Margaret (Neville) Threlkeld
— married
after 1485 [location unknown]
Descendants 
Father of
Winifred (Threlkeld) Pickering and Grace (Threlkeld) Dudley
Died before
at about age 49
[location unknown]
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Biography
Lancelot, K.B. of Yanwath, Westmorland[1] was born before 1463. He was the son of Lancelot Threlkeld and Margaret Bromflete. Lancelot lived in Threlkeld, Cumberland and later inherited Melmerby Hall. He married 1st Eliza Ratcliffe and they had three daughters who were coheirs:[2]
- 1) Grace, married to Thomas Dudley with whom he inherited Yanwath Hall
- 2) Elizabeth, married to James Pickering
- 3) Winifred, married to William Pickering brother of James
Both James and William were sons of Sir James Pickering of Killington in Westmorland.
Lancelot married 2nd Margaret Neville about 1491-2. They had no issue making Lancelot the last of the male line. In 1492 he was Sheriff of Cumberland. Lancelot made a Knight of the Bath in 1501 at the marriage of Arthur Tudor, Prince of Wales. in 1503 he escorted Margaret to Scotland to be married to James lV. of Scotland.[3] He passed away before 8 Dec 1512.[4][5]
Research Notes
It would seem Lancelot was likely born earlier; he was already married to Ellen Radcliffe by 18 Jun 1472 based on this grant of deed of several tenements to Lancelot Threlkeld and his male heirs (in the end he appparently had none) on 18 Jun 1472. The grant read in part:
Grant by Master Richard Morgan, vicar of Crosthwayte, and Thomas Mathewson, chaplain, to Lancelot Threlkeld, esq. son and heir of Lancelot Threlkeld, knt, and to Ellen, his wife, daughter of Thomas Radcliff, esq, of a tenement in the town of Amotbrig...[6] (Crosthwayte was presumably Crosthwaite, Cumbria)
Regarding children, W. Jackson in his research describes the children thus:[7]
- Elizabeth, who had married James Pickering", took Crosby Ravensworth
- Winifred, who married William Pickering, the brother of James, (both younger sons of Anne, the heiress of Sir Christopher Moresby by their aunt Margaret Threlkeld, which Anne had married Sir James Pickering of Killing- ton and Winderwath,) took Threlkeld
- Grace, the eldest daughter, whom Dugdale and some other genealogists erroneously call Sarah, brought her husband, Thomas Dudley, the beautiful domain of Yanwath, the descent of which I propose to follow till it became merged in the widesprea ling possessions of the Lowther family.
How reliable this is compared to Nicolson's "Histories and Antiquities" may be uncertain.
Sources
- ↑ Cooch, M.E.W. (1919). Ancestry and descendants of Nancy Allyn (Foote) Webb, Rev. Edward Webb, and Joseph Wilkins Cooch. (pp.77). Star Publishing Co. Google Books.
- ↑ Nicolson, Joseph; Burn, Richard. The history and antiquities of the countries of Westmorland and Cumberland. Vol II. London W. Strahan. 1777. Pg 373. Note: This book mistakenly lists the father Lancelot Threlkeld married to Margaret Bromflete and not his first son, Lancelot Threlkeld, as the father of these three daughters.
- ↑ Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume IV, page 128 NEVILLE 12i.
- ↑ Transactions of the Cumberland & Westmorland Antiquarian & Archaeological Society. Printed for members only. Part II, Vol IX. 1888. Pg 309.
- ↑ http://www-leeper.ch.cam.ac.uk/FamilyTree/9206-9207.htm
- ↑ UK National Archives C 146 - Chancery: Ancient Deeds, Series C "Grant by Master Richard Morgan, vicar of Crosthwayte, and Thomas Mathewson, chaplain..." Reference C 146/4570
- ↑ "The Threlkelds of Threlkeld, Yanwath and Crosby Ravensworth" by W. Jackson, FSA Transactions of the Cumberland & Westmorland Antiquarian & Archaeological Society Publication date 1866 Vol. 9 Pt. 1 p. 311, 312
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1)This Lancelot was not of Melmerby. The Threlkelds of Melmerby were a different branch of the family. See "Threlkelds of Melmerby" at https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archiveDS/archiveDownload?t=arch-2055-1/dissemination/pdf/Article_Level_Pdf/tcwaas/001/1889/vol10/tcwaas_001_1889_vol10_0003.pdf. He was the heir to Threlkeld, Yanwath, and Crosby Ravensworth.
2) He did not have a daughter Margaret, who married Thomas Dudley. That name seems to come only from the Cooch book (a secondary source with no primary source named). His three daughters were Elizabeth, Grace (m. Thomas Dudley), and Winifred, which is well-documented in an article by Frederick Ragg in 1923, which discusses the lawsuit they had against their uncle https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archiveDS/archiveDownload?t=arch-2055-1/dissemination/pdf/Article_Level_Pdf/tcwaas/002/1923/vol23/tcwaas_002_1923_vol23_0021.pdf.
3) Although the earlier Jackson article says that his daughters were by his first wife Eliza Ratcliffe [Ellen Radcliffe], the later Ragg article says they were by his second wife Margaret Neville. The dates of birth of the two daughters with WT profiles are not supported by any primary evidence. Chronologically, the second marriage seems to fit better. According to the lawsuit discussed in Ragg, the daughter Winifred seems to be unmarried at the time of her father's death (ca. 1510) but she was married by 1515. Threlkeld probably married his second wife Margaret shortly after her first husband's death in 1483 or 1485. (Widows did not stay unmarried long.) If Winifred was born before say 1484, she would have been 26 in 1510, rather old for an unmarried woman at the time. Of course, it is possible that the three daughters may have had different mothers, but the lack of dates for them makes it hard to determine. Threlkeld's first marriage in 1472 seems to have been a child marriage, which was acceptable at the time. A 1479 document names him as the son of Sir Lancelot and Margaret https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/d979577d-34ae-4d3f-a85c-ee2af9931c30 so he must have been born after 1461. He and Ellen would not have had children until several years later (depending on her age). If Lancelot was born about 1463, then he would only have been 21 in 1484. It seems possible to me that there were not any children by the first marriage. But there is no proof either way.
4) Margaret Neville (Neville-1912) can be linked as his second wife.
edited by Laura (Filbert) Zacher
edited by John Sigh Jr.
I had a chance to look at the Sources and see they are secondary, someone's book or chart. I think it is possible there is an error: 1. Whether or not Lancelot is the son of Margaret (vs. the earlier marriage to Elizabeth Ratcliffe), or 2. The date Lancelot married Margaret, possibly off by one digit in any original source that might exist, in other words, that they may have married in 1451, and had Lancelot in 1452 or 1453.
The challenge is thinking he, Lancelot II(?), had his daughter, Margaret when he was 11. It IS possible he would have named a daughter Margaret in an earlier marriage because his grandmother was Margaret. Consider this secondary source (about 3/4 of the way down).
https://casestone.com/threlkeld/threlkeld/early-threlkelds
"The eldest son of Sir Lancelot, and the second of that name, married firstly, Elyn Radclyffe, as I find briefly stated in a pedigree attached to my papers on the Lowther House, in Penrith. Writing at Naples, without being able to refer to my authority, I cannot give my proofs, but I am sure the statement is correct. I think she would be the mother of his children. His second marriage was, like his father's, calculated to bring èclat and a good dowry to his house, for Margaret was the illegitimate daughter of Richard Neville, the great Earl of Warwick, and widow of Richard Hudleston, K.B., eldest son of Sir John Hudleston, of Millom, whom he predeceased. By Sir Richard she had a son and two daughters. ..."
See WikiTree profile Neville-1912
edited by Laura (Filbert) Zacher
I agree that Lancelot did not have his daughter Margaret when he was 11 and I would believe her birth was closer to 1480 than 1474.
edited by John Sigh Jr.
After reading it, though, I believe it leaves considerable room for Lancelot to have had his oldest child earlier during his previous marriage to Eliza Radcliffe. I'll have to wait to see if that evidence ever becomes available. Thanks again for your help in resolving where things stand presently.
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edited by Julie (Rodgers) Leeds
The sentence runs on - what comes after the comma is the issue.