Ellin Grenville (aft. 1427 - 1485)

hi , the dates of Phillipa (1424) her daughter Ellin (1427) and then Ellin's son Robert Yeo (1425) are all wrong.

How could Ellen Grenville be born about 1405 when her first husband, William Yeo, was born in 1428? This is according to the exact source (William Yeo and Ellen Grenville, at the Yeo Family Society website) you're using for this WikiTree profile.

I seriously doubt that William Yeo married a woman 23 years his senior in the mid 15th century!!

Additionally, the eldest child (Robert Yeo) of Ellen Grenville and William Yeo was born in 1455. It stands to reason that both Ellen and William married a few short years before Robert's birth, most likely in 1453/4. So if Ellen was born in 1405, she'd be a ripe 50 years old having her eldest son, Robert Yeo, in the mid 15th century!!

It is then most probable that Ellen Grenville was born in the late 1430s (1437-1439). As this is the most likely date range of Ellen Grenville's birth considering she was about 16-19 years old upon her first marriage to William Yeo.

We can also say that it's improbable that Ellen's mother, Philippa Bonville, was born in or before 1396. If that were the case, then it would make Philippa (an upper class/aristocratic woman) marry her first husband, William Grenville, Esq., in her early-mid 30s (married between 1428 and 1431), give birth to her first child (Sir Thomas Grenville I, born 1430/1) in her mid 30s, and then give birth to her last known child (Ellen Grenville, born c. 1437/8) at about 42 years of age all during the early 15th century. We can conclude this improbability of Philippa being born in or before 1396 because during the early 15th century, upper class/aristocratic women were married in their mid-teens to early 20s (sometimes betrothed as a child, under the age of 12), (e.g. Elizabeth Fitz-Roger (Philippa's paternal grandmother), was born 15 Aug 1370 and married Sir John Bonville by 18 Oct. 1377), and their peak childbearing years were between the ages of 20 and 24.

[Famed medieval historian Dr. Ian Mortimer has published articles in the scholarly press on subjects ranging from the fourteenth to the twentieth centuries. In his book, 'The Time Traveller's Guide to Medieval England', he states: ‘… girls married around age 12 but didn't co-habitate until age 14. They were expected to have 6 children by age 25’.]

Philippa Bonville (an upper class/aristocratic woman) marrying for the first time in her early-mid 30s, giving birth to Sir Thomas Grenville I in her mid 30s, and then giving birth to Ellen Grenville in Philippa's early 40s is unheard of in the early 15th century and highly unlikely. Philippa Bonville (born c. 1415/6) marrying for the first time in her early-late teens, giving birth to her first known child in her mid-late teens, and then giving birth to her last known child in her early 20s is a much more likely scenario and is probably what really happened! [see Roskell, J.S. The History of Parliament: The House of Commons 1386–1421, v. 2, (1992): pp. 284–288 (biog. of Sir William Bonville II): "These ties were to be strengthened by the marriage of Bonville's son and heir, William, to Lord Harrington's only child, and of two of his daughters, Philippa and Margaret, respectively to William Grenville ... and William Courtenay ..." (author identifies Philippa Bonville, wife of William Grenville, as the daughter of William Bonville, first Lord Bonville and Margaret Grey).].

Granville-22 and Grenville-96 appear to represent the same person because: same person