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Robert Thornborough (abt. 1661 - aft. 1715)

Robert Thornborough aka Thornbrough
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 25 Jul 1685 in Cootehill, County Cavan, Irelandmap
Descendants descendants
Died after after about age 54 in Cootehill, Cavan, Irelandmap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 15 Jan 2011
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Undocumented Parentage: It may be read in Robert W Barnes' British Roots of Maryland Families[1] that Robert is the son of Robert Thornborough and Catherine Langtree. This is entirely undocumented and Barnes' clearly states his source is an unsourced LDS ancestral pedigree. There are no records found in Ireland or in Lancashire which suggest this parentage other than similarity of the surname. For this reason these parents have been detached and the profile has been protected by Quakers Project to prevent their reintroduction absent primary source documentation.

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Biography

The origins of Robert Thornbrough (or Thornborough or other surname variants) are unknown at this time. While it is quite possible that he was from England documentation of his origin has not been found. What we do know is that there was some familial relationship with Edward Thornborough whom Robert's son Thomas called "cousin".

The first references to the Thornbrough [sic] families in Ireland are found in the Lurgan Monthly Meeting (Ulster) minutes which date from 1675 and later.[2] The first mention of Robert Thornbrough is found in the Lurgan Monthly Meeting minutes of 29 Oct 1676: ...William Matthews and Valentine Hollingsworth is desired to speak to Henry Dixon and Robert Thornbrough concerning their walking disorderly.[2] (Note: for those familiar with the family relationships Henry Dixon is the probable father of Rose Dixson who married Thomas Pierson in Delaware 1690. Their two daughters, Susannah and Rose, married two brothers, John and Aaron Mendenhall, son of the immigrant John Mendenhall.)[2] In 1677 it is noted that Robert had "confessed he had done amiss but hoped he would amend for the time to come." Yet on 26 Oct 1680 is another entry where a committee of three is desired to speak to Edward Thornbrough and his wife and Robert Thornbrough about their disorderly behavior in several respects. And so go the references, particularly to Edward, right up until Edward goes to America with Robert's son Thomas in 1717/18. Thomas refers to Edward as his 'cousin.'

Quaker historian and librarian (of Haverford College) Herbert Standing references other records found in the Ulster Province Meeting and writes that the Thornbroughs were affiliated with Cootehillm Monthly Meeting, County Cavan which was one of the oldest meetings in the area. Cootehill operated from 1692 to 1796 (when it became part of Grange Meeting) but the sole surviving minute book (as of 1976) covers only 1766-1792.[3] The Ulster Province Meeting minutes of 8 mo and 7 mo 25 1685 are said to be difficult to read but it is clear they allow Robert Thornton [sic] and Sara Jackson to marry. They appear to indicate he is associated with the meeting at Old Castle and she with that of Cavan (Cootehill). Herbert Standing writes that Sara "could possibly have been a daughter of Anthony Jackson" who settled in County Cavan about 1655 as a member of a group led by William Edmundson.[2]

In papers compiled by E. Howard Drake of the Chester County Historical Society[4] we find in 1713 Robert Thornbrough was cited to the Bishops Court by one Ash, and the Friends of Cootehill and Endenderry Meetings were to go with Robert to see Ash to settle the matter. By the 8th month of 1715 we know that both Robert Thornbrough and James McNeece are imprisoned on account of tythes. By 10th month Friends of Cootehill Meeting in their Epistle advise that they are in hope that Robert Thornbrough will soon be released, being already at liberty but not fully discharged.

Mr Standing did not find record of the death of Robert Thornbrough and none other have been located so all that may be currently said is that he died after 1715.

Known Children

Under Review. Notations will be made under Research Notes until review is completed/

  • Judith, b c1689, County Cavan, Ireland, m. Alexander Miller, b. c1694;
  • Thomas, b.c1690, County Cavan, Ireland

Research Notes

Given that the origins of this family have not yet been found in Lancashire, it has been suggested by a Lancashire researcher to look in Cumberland county.

Edward commonly seen as a son is not documented as a child of Robert and Sarah and has been detached. See the discussion on his profile.

Walter presented listed and attached as son is not documented as a child of Robert and Sarah, he is probably the son of Edward. See the profile.

Sources

  1. Robert W. Barnes, British Roots of Maryland Families, II (Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2002) Pg 223
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Standing, Herbert C., The Quaker Family of Thornbrough of Ireland and Colonial America, 1976 (https://archive.org/stream/quakerfamilyofth00stan#page/4/mode/2up/search/Thornb)
  3. Goodbody, Olive C., Guide to Irish Quaker Records, 1654-1860. Dublin Stationery Office for the Irish Manuscripts Commission, 1967, p 188
  4. Chester County Historical Society, Box 182, Folder 54; Box 472 Folder 54

See also:

  • Vallentine, John, Ancestral Families of Emily Catherine Wood (Pack), Record Type: manuscript, Subject: Ancestors of Sarah Katherine Lucas and Berryman B. Wood Author: Vallentine, John Publication: privately printed, Springville, UT, May 15, 1995, p 25. Caution: This typescript presents the undocumented idea that Robert originates in Lancashire but does use the term "reportedly." Later information presented appears to be documented.




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Robert W. Barnes, British Roots of Maryland Families, II (Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2002) Page 223 . "28. Robert "Thornburg," son of Charles (23) and Elizabeth, was b. C1666 Lancashire, Eng. He m. Sarah Jackson, B. c. 1666. They moved to Ireland and were parents of (H): Edward, b.c1687, of Lurgan MM, Co. Armagh, Ireland; Walter, B. C1688; Judith, b c1689, Co. Cavan, Ireland, m. Alexander Miller, b. c1694; and Thomas, b.c1690, C. Cavan, Ireland."

Acknowledgement: Thanks to Barbara Smith for this reference.

posted by Clare Bromley III
What evidence does Barnes give for the relationship? Sometimes Barnes has things right, other times he does not so primary sources need to be cited. A previous image from British Roots of Maryland Families was removed from this profile because it offered no documentation.
posted by T Stanton
Barnes gives a bibliography [1] at the beginning of the section with various codes used later within context. The code used for the section on Robert "Thornburg" is "H" which is: "Undocumented Thornborough Descendancy Chart in Ancestral File of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (must be used with care)." It would appear that the placement of "H" could indicate an issue documenting the children of Robert but that is not considered an issue among Quaker historians such as Herbert Standing. There is also a reference to person (23) in the section but person (23) and the entries there do not appear to be relevant.

So, Barnes is presenting no documentation for this and as a pre-1700 profile this would not be acceptable in WikiTree. I have asked the Irish Quakers Team to also have a look at this.

posted by T Stanton
edited by T Stanton
Thanks for the share, but I am not ancestry subscriber. I can only see one page, which is Roland in the 1200s.

Which is the linkage that is a concern here? Is it Robert Thornborough-4 and his linkage to his children, for example to Edward Thornborough-16? Or, for example, is it Robert Thornborough-4 to his father Charles Thornborough-3?

posted by Clare Bromley III
Try this link https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/14782?token=yPlF73J5dOC1xYKopNmuOMGlnwafPwRptDzDu%2BxYPMg%3D

I’m not sure what happened with the other link that caused the error.

Nowhere has anyone ever found any documentation that Robert is the son of Charles. The connection between Robert and his children is established from a variety of sources but there is nothing which establishes any connection to Lancashire and/or Charles and Catherine.

We know that Edward is a relative but he is not a brother.

posted by T Stanton
Clare, I am sorry but the share feature at Ancestry now appears to come with limitations. The link I pasted above worked just fine and now it goes to the 'page not found' notice at Ancestry (unless this is a temporary error). I'll paste again the Comment above which explains the issue with the Barnes citation:

Barnes gives a bibliography at the beginning of the section with various codes used later within context. The code used for the section on Robert "Thornburg" is "H" which is explained as: "Undocumented Thornborough Descendancy Chart in Ancestral File of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (must be used with care)." It would appear that the placement of "H" could indicate an issue documenting the children of Robert but that is not considered an issue among Quaker historians such as Herbert Standing. There is also a reference to person (23) in the section but person (23) and the entries there do not appear to be relevant.

Barnes is presenting no documentation for this and as a pre-1700 profile this would not be acceptable in WikiTree.

The Irish Quakers team has looked at this in depth as well. There is no documentation for the parentage which has been removed.

posted by T Stanton
Please, I think you and Elizabeth and your group should put Robert Thornborough-4 and his wife on hold until Edward is figured out. Help if you can. Can your group lock all these profiles until this is mapped out? Too many changes happening at once without a plan. For the moment, Edward is a mess due to merging before connections are worked out. In spite of several merges already, there are still Edward Thornborough-16 and Edward Thornbrough-3 and both are married to Jean (possibly) Morgan-4048.
posted by Clare Bromley III
Which Edward do you mean? The one presently attached as son or the older one who is related but the relationship is unclear? Thanks for pointing out these issues. We have to work through these different profiles in stages as time permits. Projects generally do not project protect a profile (what that does is prohibit change in parentage or offspring) until they are relatively certain that particular profile (not always the offspring or parents) reflects current research.
posted by T Stanton
Which relationship(s)? I do not have a copy of the books, so I cannot check directly. But I think Barbara Smith has the books.
posted by Clare Bromley III
If you click the [1] in the comment above, you can see the relevant Barnes page. You will see that he has no sources for the parentage he has shown, only the LDS pedigree which is also unsourced. Irish Quakers team has also examined all available records in detail finding no documentation of this often seen but never documented parentage. They also believe the parentage shown for the wife is without any documentation but I have not re-examined this. Quakers Project is going to revert the text on this profile to a previous version, create a caution message and then project protect the profile until such time as some primary source documentation for parentage may be found. It was the finding of the Irish Quakers team that the Herbert Standing research remains correct with known documentation.
posted by T Stanton
Thornbrough-3 and Thornborough-4 do not represent the same person because: they have the same last name but that doesn't make them the same person
posted by Cheryl Rothwell
Are there primary source documents for the attached father? Can't quite tell what is being cited under biography.
posted by T Stanton
Information now on the profile of son Thomas shows a Virginia court record showing son Thomas' origin as Kempstown (Campstown) and perhaps farm on McCoole's estate in County Cavan. Citation and more detailed info pg 19 of the Herbert Standing typescript linked on Thomas' profile.
posted by T Stanton
I don't know where the image came from but also Alexander Miller is the husband of Judith, a son-in-law, not one of the children.
posted by Elizabeth Coltrane
The image is a book on roots of Maryland families as a source for place of birth of Robert. The Thornbrough family from Quaker records appears to have gone to Pennsylvania, Virginia and eventually some to North Carolina. What is the Maryland connection of the Robert Thornburg of the book to Robert Thornbrough? I don't see that any of the listed children of this Robert have a Maryland connection. Is the connection later in the family line?
posted by T Stanton
Thornbrough-19 and Thornborough-4 appear to represent the same person because: Same parents and death date; various spellings of this last name
posted by Elizabeth Coltrane
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posted by Andrew Lancaster
I just read that Robert Thornborough was imprisoned in Ireland for not paying state tithes and he died the same year, 1715.
posted by Anonymous Maxwell

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