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Elizabeth (Unknown) Baker (1612 - 1685)

Elizabeth Baker formerly [surname unknown]
Born in Englandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 73 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Elizabeth (Unknown) Baker migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).
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Caution

Note: Elizabeth's surname was NOT Farrar. Please see information below[1]

Biography

Elizabeth was born about 1612. Age 23 in 1635 on her Certificate of Conformity.[2]

She married Alexander Baker about 1631 (marriage year estimated based on oldest child's age of 3 in April 1635).

Elizabeth emigrated from England as Elizabeth, wife of Alexander Baker, on the Elizabeth and Ann, which departed London in May 1635 and arrived in New England later that year. Here are her family members on the passenger roll as of 17 April 1635.[3]

  • #29, Alexander Baker, age 28
  • #30, Uxor [Wife] Elizabeth, age 23
  • #31, Elizabeth Baker, age 3 [Born in England; baptized in Massachusetts]
  • #32, Christian Baker, age 1 [Born in England; baptized in Massachusetts]

Elizabeth Baker died after 18 Feb 1684/85 when she was named the executrix of her husband's will.[4] named in husband's will.


Name and Origins

Elizabeth Unknown.[5]She came to America with her husband Alexander Baker and two young children, Elizabeth and Christine on the Elizabeth and Ann in 1635.

Marriage and Children

Alexander Baker by 1632 (birth of first known child) in England.

Children of Alexander Baker and Elizabeth Unknown:

  1. Elizabeth Baker. Born about 1632 (age 3 in 1635).
  2. Christian Baker. Born about 1634 (age 1 in 1635).
  3. Alexander Baker. Born 15 January 1635/6; baptized 5 October 1645 "being about 9 years and about 9 months old" in Boston. Predeceased his father, unmarried.
  4. Samuel Baker.
  5. John Baker.
  6. Joshua Baker Sr. .
  7. Hannah (Baker) Alger.
  8. William Baker.
  9. Joseph Baker. Born 5 April 1649; baptized 8 April 1649 "being about 3 days old" in Boston.
  10. Sarah (Baker) Wales. Baptized 25 May 1651 in Boston.
  11. Benjamin Baker. Born 16 March 1652/3; baptized 14 August 1653 in Boston.
  12. Josiah Baker. Born 26 February 1654/5; baptized 4 March 1654/5 in Boston.

Alexander Not Husband of Elizabeth Farrar[6]

The Alexander Baker who came to Boston in 1635 was not the husband of Elizabeth Farrar, not the son of Alexander and Alice Jervys Baker nor of Alexander Baker and his second wife Frances Grigg and not the grandson of George and Anne Swayne Baker. Abstracts of the records of baptisms, marriages and burials at Westminster Abbey in London found in Joseph Lemuel Chester, The Marriage, Baptismal and Burial Registers of the Collegiate Church or Abbey of St. Peter, Westminster (Harleian Society, 1876) disproves that theory (and thus calls into question the entire Alexander Baker story). See http://pamunkeybakers.com/paper/19.pdf#nameddest=AppA for more information on this.

Other Early Baker References

1 March 1658 – LAND PATENT[citation needed]

Henry Goodgaine, 334 acres in New Kent County adjoining the land of

Martin Bakerthence &c. southerly on a branch of Skinices. There is no extant record of any original grant to Martin Baker. This grant is the first that shows that a Martin Baker was already an established landholder. 20 April 1682 - LAND PATENT

Evan Jones, 148 acres of land in New Kent County, on the south east side of Warranny Swamp adjoining the land of Mr. Hancock, Martin Baker and Lt. Colo. Wm. Hockaday.

About Claimed Chester, PA Birth

WHY PENNSYLVANIA THOMAS BAKER, b c1711, d c1777, is often reported by his descendants to have been born in Chester, Pennsylvania.

The story is totally undocumented and, on its face, it is utterly implausible: it would require parents born in different New England states to have met, married and moved to Pennsylvania, and then their son to have moved on to Virginia -- all in a time period when farmers and planters simply did not move so readily and so aimlessly. So how did the story get started? Why would anyone in the Baker family have chosen a Pennsylvania birthplace for Thomas? The truth may never be known, but there are three words that suggest a likely reason for the choice: “the Baker Hoax.” The Hoax began with newspaper reports of a will from c1830, identifying one Jacob Baker of Pennsylvania as the rightful heir to some of the most prime real estate in the City of Philadelphia. The property was reportedly worth $80 million, and in cluded the land whereon today stands Independence Hall, Franklin Square and the United States Mint. The story was that Col. Jacob Baker, a surgeon in the Continental Army during the American Revolution, was rewarded by George Washington and a grateful new-born U.S. government with a grant of 11,000 acres of mineral-rich land in 17 Pennsylvania counties, plus Philadelphia. Baker family members were contacted by promoters and told the old Jacob Baker will had been uncovered in the Philadelphia Orphans' Court, and that if they would contribute to the “legal fees” the promoters would seek to secure them their share of the estate. Among the common criteria necessary to claim a part of the estate, of course, was an ancestor born in Pennsylvania. An estimated 500,000 people fell for the hoax and paid the assorted swindlers some $25 million. Of course, as might have been expected, there was no massive estate waiting for Baker family members to claim. Philadelphia Orphans' Court records indicate that the estate of a Jacob Baker, Revolutionary War Veteran, was disposed of around 1847. His fortune totaled a whopping $6,000. Nonetheless, throughout the early years of the 20th century, concluding in many convictions in 1937, Bakers by the thousands sought to prove some connection to Jacob Baker or at least to some Pennsylvania Baker. Is this how the story of Thomas’ Pennsylvania birth began? I suspect we will never know. But it certainly explains why Texans born of North Carolinians born of Virginians would, suddenly, claim to be descendants of a Yankee.

South Carolina Land Grants

APPENDIX D SOUTH CAROLINA LAND GRANTS Note that the process of obtaining a land patent in South Carolina was cumbersome, requiring a petition, a survey and plat map and, for a period of years in the 1730s/40s up until 1775, a Memorial setting out the location, quantity, names of adjacent land owners, and the boundaries of the land. Memorials also included a chain of title, often from the original patentee to the current owner.

The South Carolina Department of Archives and History in Columbia, SC holds copies of Colonial / Royal land grants 1675-1788 in printed version (63 volumes) and on microfilm (27 reels). This record series forms part of the records of Recorded Instruments of the Secretary of State and consists of copies of earlier recordings of land grants. Most entries include the name of the grantee; the number of acres granted; the county in which the grant was located; the boundaries, with the names of surrounding landholders; the quitrent requirements; the conditions of the grant; the certification date of the plat; and the date of the grant. A basic index to these documents is online and searchable by name. Thus far only the most cursory examination of the index has been achieved and only a few select transactions listed in this document so far. Even when the index has been fully examined, however, the documents themselves will remain to be reviewed for the additional wealth of detail they should provide. Note that the Davenports who appear in the early South Carolina land records are not Pamunkey Davenports. As reported by John Scott Davenport, compiler and researcher of The Further Chronicles of the Pamunkey Davenports, “The Davenports in South Carolina before the Revolution were all Newberrys, back trace to North Carolina, then briefly to the Shenandoah of Virginia, then to Pennsylvania, then to West Jersey, then to England. No kin of ours. They were all Tories during the Revolution, actively serving the King's cause. One served as the King's Magistrate for the district and his mill was headquarters for the British Army, was the staging area for campaigns against the Rebels in the backcountry. Several served in the King's Loyal Militia, received British Army pay--one was among the British troops captured at the Battle of King's Mountain. Pamunkey Davenports and close kin, a Baker or two if I recall correctly, were on the winning Patriot side at King's Mountain. None of the Tory Davenports fled with the Brits when the Red Coats withdrew in 1782, remained in place, took amnesty, and became good citizens, but it took several generations before they were allowed to resume the public roles and stature they had before the Revolution. The Davenport Mill was burned to the ground, never rebuilt, ultimately the land, prime and an ideal mill location, was sold out of the family.”

Undated (c1800) Burke County Rax Lists

APPENDIX E UNDATED (c1800) BURKE COUNTY TAX LISTS -- Undated - POLL TAX LISTS

Burke County Captain Lain’s Company John Browning William Wiseman David Baker Joseph Buchanan 5 Davenport Wiseman William Wiseman Martin Browning Thomas Davenport William D(avenport?) Source: Edith Warren Huggins, Burke County, North Carolina, Records, Vol. IV (Easley SC: Southern Historical Press, reprint 1985), 124 Captain Joseph Young’s Company Martin Davenport John Browning William Wiseman Thomas McKinney John Gouge David Baker Source: Edith Warren Huggins, Burke County, North Carolina, Records, Vol. IV (Easley SC: Southern Historic al Press, reprint 1985), xxx Captain Joseph Young’s Company Martin Browning Charles Browning Nicholas Browning John Browning Benjamin White William Wiseman Sen. William White Abner Davenport Martin Davenport Sr. David Browning Thomas Davenport James Davenport Martin Davenport Source: Edith Warren Huggins, Burke County, North Carolina, Records, Vol. IV (Easley SC: Southern Historic al Press, reprint 1985), xxx (Probable Captain Austin’s Company) John McKinney Joseph Buckanan Arthur Buckanan David Baker Thomas McKinney Thomas Baker Samuel Pitman William Bailey William Baker Source: Edith Warren Huggins, Burke County, North Carolina, Records, Vol. IV (Easley SC: Southern Historical Press, reprint 1985), 130 (Unknown Company) John McKinney, 250 ac Joseph Buckanan, 150 ac Arthur Buckanan, 150 ac David Baker, 2400 ac Thomas McKinney, 500 ac 6 Thomas Baker, no land Samuel Pitman, 143 William Bailey, no land William Baker, no land Source: Edith Warren Huggins, Burke County, North Carolina, Records, Vol. IV (Easley SC: Southern Historical Press, reprint 1985), 132

Sources

  1. Russell J.G. The Baker Family of Virginia, From Colonial Virginia to the North Carolina Mountains, "Appendix A; Alexander not the Husband of Elizabeth Farrar". Accessed 18 Apr 2016.
  2. Hotten, John Camden. The original lists of persons of quality... (London, 1874): page 69.
  3. Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn Jr., Melinde Lutz Sanborn. The Great Migration 1634-1635, Vol. I., A-B. Boston, 1999.
  4. The Great Migration 1634-1635 Vol. I., A-B, Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn Jr., Melinde Lutz Sanborn
  5. Anderson. The Great Migration Begins, vol. 1: A - F, (Boston: NEHGS, 1995): pages 130-132.
  6. PamunkeyBakers.com

See also:

  • "The Original Lists of Persons of Quality...," John Camden Hotten, ed. (London 1874; reprinted Baltimore 1974), page 69.
  • Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s - sailed from London, England in May, 1635 for New England on the Elizabeth & Ann
  • Source: S006861 History of Montville, Connecticut Formerly The North Parish of New London From 1640 To 1896 Baker, Henry A. Repository: Note: #NS068613 Call Number: Media: Book

Footnotes and citations: Source list:

  • Anderson, Robert Charles, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, vol. 1: A - F, (Boston: NEHGS, 1995): pages 130-132, biography of Alexander Baker.AmericanAncestors.org $ Link
  • Geni. Alexander Nathaniel Baker, born in 1607 in England. Died in 184 in Boston, Mass. Husband of Elizabeth Farrar {disputed by Appendix A}, father of Samuel. There are no links from Elizabeth or Alexander to their parents.
  • FamilySearch. Alexander Baker, born 1607 in England, married Elizabeth Flourney about 1627 in Boston, Mass. This can't be correct, since they arrived in 1635.
  • FamilySearch. Alexander Baker, born 1607 in England, married Elizabeth Flourney about 1627 in Boston. Son Joshua (1642) and Daughter Hanna (1644) are linked. Although the married location cannot be correct, these are two of Alexander and Elizabeth's recorded children.
  • FamilySearch Alexander Nathaniel Baker, born 1607 in England, married Elizabeth "Farro" Flounery in 1631 in London, England. Two children are linked: Elizabeth (born 1632 in London) and Christine (born 1634 in London). This is consistent with what is known about Alexander and Elizabeth arriving in America in 1635 with two children, Elizabeth and Christian.
  • FamilySearch. This one has Alexander Nathaniel Baker, born 1607 in Clifford's Inn, London. Died 11May1685 in Boston. Parents: Alexander Baker and Frances Briggs {disputed}, Husband of Elizabeth Flournoy. Listed children include Elizabeth (1632), Christian (female, 1634), John (1640), Hannah (1644), William (1647), Joseph (1649), Sarah (1651), Benjamin (1652), Josiah (1655), and Samuel (1639-1714). These children match the known children of Alexander and Elizabeth.
  • [1] Elizabeth Farro Flounery, born in 1611 in London, Died 6Aug1685 in Roxbury, Suffolk, Mass. Married Alexander Nathaniel Baker in 1631 in London.
  • FamilySearch. Elizabeth Ann "Farrar" Flourney. born 14Apr1612 in London or 1611. Died 6Aug1685 in Boston. Wife of Alexander Nathanielv"Rev" Baker, born 3Mar1607 ion Clifford's Inn, London, England. Married 1631 in Clifford's Inn, London.
  • pamunkeybakers.
  • bakerfamilyroots.




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"Farrar" was once again added as OLN to the data despite the copious notes and source on why this was not true. Please do not re-add.
posted by Brad Stauf
I'm going to be removing the unestablished surname "Farrar" from the data. PGM project has decided to have it in the biography only. See here: [1]
PGM Lock removed from Unk-387099, so the merge can move forward into this profile.

Please keep all pertinent information in -387099 and integrate it into one biography. Thanks so much.

Unknown-387099 and Unknown-58013 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicate information
posted by Jared Crayk
Farrer-309 and Unknown-387099 appear to represent the same person because: Merge into Unknown
posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Anne B
It is not an AKA and it is not a name. It is a biographical detail which belongs in the biography. She is also "Not Smith", "Not Selbrede" and "Not Cochoit". It is very clear this does not belong in a name field and I am very surprised you are trying to defend it. I suggest you start a a G2G if you would like to have a more complete discussion and more opinions.

For now, this profile is going to follow primary records and published resources based on primary records.

posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Joe Cochoit
The rule for "Other Nicknames" states that "This can be used for almost anything." So "Not Ferrar" doesn't seem to violate any rule. It's a kind of AKA.
posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Steve Selbrede
Actually, there is a rule. here.

Data fields are to be used for their intended purpose.

Not sure I fully understand "Let's not confuse a WT profile with a journal article." The PGM project makes clear that we follow Anderson's published work unless more recent published research updates/corrects Anderson.

posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
"Not Ferrar" was a nickname, intended to make it clear who she wasn't so that mistakes would be less likely. I have not seen an appropriateness rule about nicknames or AKAs, all of which were unilaterally deleted.

Although it is clear she was not Elizabeth Ferrar (as stated in the Disputed Surname paragraph discussed in some of the sources), I have seen no comparable evidence that she was not Flourney. So we should not state her surname was NOT Flourney; we don't know.

posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Steve Selbrede
Steve, no one had middle names in this time period - a middle name is just a mark of bad genealogy. Her name was Elizabeth as proven by primary records.

It is not appropriate to put biographical detail such as "Not Ferrar" in a name field. The problems and lack of evidence for a LNAB are addressed in the biography. Known false LNABs and false parents found on the internet are the primary reason to Project Protect a profile in order to prevent their reattachment.

posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Joe Cochoit
Though Anderson didn't know her middle name or surname, that doesn't mean they weren't Ann or Flourney. A surname dispute doesn't justify PPP. It's already managed by PGMP.

Although "Not Ferrar" is awkward, it does convey useful information. Let's not confuse a WT profile with a journal paper.

posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Steve Selbrede
What is the source for her middle name "Ann?"

Anderson gives her no middle name; says her name is simply

Elizabeth _____. She was born about 1612. She was alive on February 18, 1684/5 when her husband made his will.

I suggest we give her the data that Anderson uses in his "Great Migration."

posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Leaders:

Because of the dispute over her surname, please PPP this profile.

I don't really care for the "not Ferrar" in the name data section. Do we need to keep that if the profile is PPPd?

posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
The well sourced notes in this profile clearly seem to indicated that this Alexander did not marry Elizabeth Flournoy/Farrar.
posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Stu Wilson
Unknown-316412 and Flournoy-219 appear to represent the same person because: Clearly the same person, with the same Husband. LNAB was Flourney.
posted on Unknown-387099 (merged) by Steve Selbrede

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