Alice (FitzAlan) Cherleton (abt. 1373 - bef. 1415)

Born about 1373 in England

Ancestors

Died before 13 Oct 1415 before about age 42 in England

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Biography

Alice FitzAlan, daughter of Richard De Arundel, K.G., 11th Earl of Arundel, and his wife Elizabeth de Bohun, became the mistress of Henry Beaufort (later Cardinal of England), and they had a daughter, Joan. Joan Beaufort married Sir Edward Stradling.^[1] See comments. Joan Beaufort did marry Sir Edward Stradling, and she was a daughter of Henry Beaufort, but her mother was not Alice FitzAlan.^[2]

Later, Alice married before 4th March 1492/3 John Cherleton, 4th Lord Cherleton, Lord of Powis, Justice of North Wales. There was no issue of this marriage. ^[3]

Douglas Richardson in Royal Ancestry Vol. V page 52 on Alice FitzAlan/Arundel:^[4]

There is no contemporary evidence that Alice Arundel was either mistress of Henry Beaufort, or that she was the mother of his illegitimate daughter, Joan, born say 1390. What little is known of Alice's life is that she married sometime before 4 March 1392/3 (date of her father's will) to John Cherleton, 4th Lord Cherleton. The earliest published instance of Alice being named as Joan Beaufort's mother is a treatise written by Sir Edward Strading in the period, 1561/66, in which the author states that his forebear, an earlier Sir Edward Stradling,"married with Jane, daughter to Henry Beauford, afterwards Cardinal, begotten (before he was priest) upon Alice, one of the daughters of Richard, Earl of Arundel." Sir Edward Stradling, author of the treatise, presumably based his statement on family muniments which have not survived. Actually little is known of Alice Arundel's life, beyond her marriage, her death prior to 1415, and the fact that she left no legitimate issue. Her dates of birth, marriage and death are all uncertain. Whatever the truth, Alice has been accepted as the mother of Henry Beaufort's child by all early knowledgeable authorities. During the time of 1388/93, Henry Beaufort was a student at Cambridge and Oxford Universities and not yet in holy orders. If Henry Beaufort's daughter Joan was born in that period, it is barely possible that Joan was the daughter of Alice Arundel. Suffice to say, further research is needed before the matter of Joan Beaufort's maternity can be satisfactorily resolved. For the time being, it is correct to say only that Joan Beaufort was the illegitimate daughter of Cardinal Henry Beaufort, "it is said" by Alice Arundel.

Research Notes

Alice (FitzAlan) Cherleton appears in Douglas Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry in a trail from Gateway Ancestor Barbara (Aubrey) Bevan to Magna Carta Surety Baron Robert de Vere (vol. I, pages 73-75 AUBREY). However, this trail goes through Beaufort-6 who in 2019 was disproved as being the daughter of Alice (FitzAlan) de Arundel, thereby breaking this trail. See 2019 soc.genealogy.medieval post for more information.

Alice (FitzAlan) Cherleton appears in Magna Carta Ancestry in a Richardson-documented trail from Gateway Ancestors George Popham, William Pole (or Poole) and Elizabeth Pole (or Poole) to Magna Carta Surety Baron Robert de Vere (vol. IV, pages 114-122 STRADLING) that was badged by the Magna Carta Project in May 2015. This trail was also broken at Joan Beaufort.

Sources

1. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol. II p. 613, FITZALAN #5v.
2. ↑ From a comment on Joan's profile (15 October 2018) by Joe Cochoit, in response to a note by Liz Shifflett about the "Uncertain" relationship: "It's a little stronger than uncertain. Brad Verity showed in his 2004 article in Foundations that Joan's mother could not have been Alice Fitz Alan. She should be detached." (and she has been)
   • Brad Verity, A NON-AFFAIR TO REMEMBER – THE ALLEGED LIAISON OF CARDINAL BEAUFORT AND ALICE OF ARUNDEL Foundations (2004) 1 (4): 246-268
3. ↑ Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, vol IV, page 114-115
4. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol. V, p 52, STRADLING #11fn.4.

Source list:

• Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families], 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013).

• Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry:A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011).

• Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd edition, 3 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011).

See also:

• Wikipedia, online database, (accessed 14 April 2015), John Charleton, 4th Baron Charleton, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike License]