Jos de Kloe
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My Schurman ancestors have been in North America since about 1635; but Gasparus would have been the same “generation” as William Schurman. “William Schurman, Loyalist of Bedeque” editor Ross Graves, published 1973 by the M.F. Schurman Company, Summerside, Prince Edward Island, Canada. https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=William+Schurman%2C+Loyalist
See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Van_Andel-494 and https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Schurman-275
Thanks for helping me with Breddels. Later I go on with creating profiles for their children, brothers and sisters. Also with the van Anrooij family I will go on in about 2 weeks. They re all seems to be from Gelderland. Bommelse Bomen!!! I make profiles of every van Anrooij I can find :). I wonder: How can I get Dutch stickers for Dutch profiles?
See you around Greetings Richard.
nice to hear that you are planning to work on the Breddels family. My wife is a direct descendant from one of them. Louisa Breddels (1872-1947) is her great-great-grand mother. For Dutch stickers you could use the simplest one: { {Netherlands Sticker} }. But for more elaborate stickers you can find a lot of information on the Project: Netherlands page: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Netherlands#Stickers.2C_Onderhoudscategorie.C3.ABn_.26_Onderzoeknotities Groetjes, Jos
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Is see we are 8th cousins once removed
Jos de Kloe and Richard Goossens are both descendants of Johannes Berentse van Delft (1669-bef.1727).
1. Jos is the son of [private mother] [unknown confidence] 2. [Private] is the daughter of Jenneke Kant [unknown confidence] 3. Jenneke is the daughter of Gijsbertje Westerlaken (1886-1941) [unknown confidence] 4. Gijsbertje is the daughter of Elizabeth Roeland (1852-1915) [unknown confidence] 5. Elizabeth is the daughter of Joost Laurens Roeland (1824-1901) [unknown confidence] 6. Joost Laurens is the son of Pieter Roeland (bef.1786-1873) [unknown confidence] 7. Pieter is the son of Pieter Roeland (1753-1819) [unknown confidence] 8. Pieter is the son of Adriaantje van Delft (1722-aft.1773) [unknown confidence] 9. Adriaantje is the daughter of Johannes Berentse van Delft (1669-bef.1727) [unknown confidence] This makes Johannes Berentse the seventh great grandfather of Jos.
1. [Private] is the son of Maus (Beckers) Goossens [confident] 2. Maus is the daughter of Miep Vesters [confident] 3. Miep is the daughter of Petrus Vesters (1868-1924) [unknown confidence] 4. Petrus is the son of Johannes Vesters (1840-1890) [unknown confidence] 5. Johannes is the son of Christiaan Vesters (1816-1894) [unknown confidence] 6. Christiaan is the son of Anna Catharina (van Delft) Vesters (1785-1859) [unknown confidence] 7. Anna Catharina is the daughter of Arnoldus van Delft (1753-1820) [unknown confidence] 8. Arnoldus is the son of Lambertus van Delft (1724-1792) [unknown confidence] 9. Lambertus is the son of Arnoldus Janssen van Delft (bef.1690-) [unknown confidence] 10. Arnoldus Janssen is the son of Johannes Berentse van Delft (1669-bef.1727) [unknown confidence]
Ook voor dat lijntje naar Karel de Grote zou het mooi te zijn meer bewijzen te vinden. De kareldegrote.nl site is op dat punt denk ik toch wel een autoriteit en als daar twijfels genoemd worden moeten we dat serieus nemen.
Wat betreft die dubbele huwelijken, het is duidelijk gezien alle RK dopen dat dit gezin RK was. Dat er geen 2e RK huwelijk gevonden is voor het huwelijk met Maria van Breugel zal eerder komen door incompleet bewaarde trouwregisters dan door een verandering van geloofsovertuiging lijkt me. Ik weet ook niet waarom Drunen een uitzondering was voor RK trouwen. Wat ik wel weet was dat ook in de 17e eeuw al veel "gedoogd" werd. Het lag voor een groot deel aan de lokale bestuurders en landheren of ze wensten in te grijpen of niet. Blijkbaar had de heer van Drunen sympathie voor de RK kerk. Lees ter illustratie bijvoorbeeld de inleiding bij de inventaris van dit archief https://www.archieven.nl/nl/zoeken?amp;micode=0946-01&mivast=0&mizig=210&miadt=128&miaet=1&micode=0416&minr=5045815&miview=inv2&milang=nl (0416 R.K. parochie Sint-Jan Geboorte, Vlijmen, 1365-1983(1994-2004) ) waarin wordt gezegd: "Pas na de Vrede van Munster werd het katholieke geloof langzaam weer wat gedoogd. Dat leidde er in 1674 toe dat Vlijmen weer een pastoor kreeg. Er werd nog geen vrije godsdienstoefening toegestaan, maar in beslotenheid mochten er weer diensten worden georganiseerd. Deze diensten werden gehouden in een schuur ... " Voor Drunen geldt een soortgelijk verhaal, zie onder het kopje "Geschiedenis van de archiefvormer" van dit archief: https://salha.nl/bronnen/archieven/zoeken-in-de-archieven?mivast=128&mizig=210&miadt=128&miaet=1&micode=0180&minr=5225343&miview=inv2&milang=nl#inv3t1 (0180 R.K. parochie Sint Lambertus, Drunen ) waarin staat: ". In 1648 ging het kerkgebouw over aan de hervormden. De katholieken moesten vanaf toen een schuurkerk gebruiken."
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Thank you for your contribution to the Van Delf family. That inspired me to do more research.
What is good to see is that during the reign of the Republic, Catholics had to marry twice. Since the Marriage Regulations (18 March 1656) everyone was obliged to register his or her marriage for a clergyman of the NG or the drossaard. What many Catholics did next was also marry for their own church. You made that very clear with the double marriages, once for NG and once for RK. Except for the first marriage, we only have one variant? But what strikes me is that the marriages for RK were also within the borders of State Brabant? Was that possible? I thought this always happened just over the border?
I have included inof about the “Echtreglement” in the biography of Johannes Berentse van Delft (1669-1727) and also of Arnoldus Janssen van Delft (1690-).
Thank you very much for your contribution,
Richard Goossens Lienden, Netherlands
I recently connected Sharon den Adel to Wikitree and it looks like you and she are 5th cousins.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Den_Adel-12
Just wanted to stop by and say hello. : )
Sincerely, Jayme
Are you by any chance related to them as well, or did you work on a different project when you added this line?