Note: in preparation for merge with Bailey-636 this Lydia has been detached from undocumented parents John Bailey and Lydia Backus. The profiles will be merged with LNAB Unknown per the research to be combined from both profiles during the merge. This Lydia is the wife of Nathaniel Spencer.
Lydia’s birth is unsourced.
Lydia was married several times. (this is not confirmed by sources)
She was the wife of:
Thomas Smith;
Nathaniel Spencer, Sr.
(These marriages are not confirmed)
There was a Lydia Bailey who married a Nathaniel Spencer by 1682 in Haddam, Connecticut.
Name
Lydia /Smith Bailey/
Other possible last names: Bayley, Smith
Birth
1660 Hartford, Hartford, Connecticut, United States
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Bailey-636 and Unknown-551271 appear to represent the same person because: As agreed between the various PMs, we are now reading to merge Bailey-636 into Unknown-551271 so that our result is Lydia Unknown where we can sort out fact from fiction and documented from undocumented information.
Bailey-5256 and Bailey-636 appear to represent the same person because: Let's go ahead with this merge, then merge the resulting profile with the Lydia Unknown profile where we can have all of the available info in one profile. Thanks and apologies for my confusion on this. I'll ask Anne B to help on this once we've got the merges completed (and we can PPP the profile at that point).
In the merge to Unknown-551271: Adding: the parents attached to Bailey-636 are not documented and should be detached during merge but links created in the narrative to prevent reintroduction of them unless documented. Thanks.
Apologies, the merges required to resolve the issues of the wife of Nathaniel Spencer are becoming circular (perhaps only in my mind). In the G2G linked above, I believe the current best way forward is to merge Bailey-5256 and Bailey-636 into the Lydia (Unknown) Spencer profile which exists as: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-551271 The parents attached to Bailey-5256 to be detached but the connection remaining in the narrative until all of this is resolved. For those who have not read the G2G, please do so as this is a quite complicated set of records with quite a bit of wrong and conflicting information published in reputable sources.
I concur, none the less we also do NOT know that they "do not represent" the same person as as currently shown.
Would it not make more sense to merge them with note that the parentage of Bailey has yet to be proved. This is how it is done with earlier names. To leave an individual (Nathaniel) with 4 spouses of the same name only adds to confusion, when in this case likely 3 of the spouses are the same person.
Apologies, the merges required to resolve the issues of the wife of Nathaniel Spencer are becoming circular (perhaps only in my mind). In the G2G linked above, I believe the current best way forward is to merge Bailey-5256 and Bailey-636 into the Lydia (Unknown) Spencer profile which exists as: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-551271 The parents attached to Bailey-5256 to be detached but the connection remaining in the narrative until all of this is resolved. For those who have not read the G2G, please do so as this is a quite complicated set of records with quite a bit of wrong and conflicting information published in reputable sources.
Unknown-551271 and Bailey-5256 do not represent the same person because: The Unknown-551271 profile clearly states that the parents on Bailey-5256 are not documented. That needs to be resolved before a merge.
Bailey-636 and Bailey-5256 appear to represent the same person because: Same person - dates, husband, location, children. Note there are currently 4 Lydia Bailey Spencers listed as the wife of Nathaniel Spencer. I believe that 3 of the 4 represent the same person and have proposed this.
Apologies, the merges required to resolve the issues of the wife of Nathaniel Spencer are becoming circular (perhaps only in my mind). In the G2G linked above, I believe the current best way forward is to merge Bailey-5256 and Bailey-636 into the Lydia (Unknown) Spencer profile which exists as: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-551271 The parents attached to Bailey-5256 to be detached but the connection remaining in the narrative until all of this is resolved. For those who have not read the G2G, please do so as this is a quite complicated set of records with quite a bit of wrong and conflicting information published in reputable sources.
Spouse appears to be Nathaniel Spencer (1658-bef.1722) This would make possibly 4 duplicate spouses for him. The bio discusses likely parents, in disagreement with the wikitree suggestion based on unsourced findagrave profiles
Bailey-636 and Bailey-685 are not ready to be merged because: The merge should not be completed until the pertinent issues also mentioned on the profiles are resolved.
Bailey-685 and Bailey-636 appear to represent the same person because: They have the same name and spouse, although vital data doesn't match. If they aren't the same person then one of them needs to be detached from Nathaniel Spencer.
I'm setting this back to a rejected match because none of the pertinent issues that require resolution prior to merge have been resolved, i.e., Smith vs Baily LNAB. Both profiles still contain "sources" which are not acceptable in pre-1700 profiles. Will set up a G2G to resolve the issues.
This is inaccurate. I took this off the profile: “There was also a Lydia Bailey (1673- ) daughter of Thomas, who married an Andrew Lester (1674- ) ca. 1695 in New London, Connecticut”.
Andrew Lester Jr. married Lydia Starkweather, not Lydia Bailey: "Connecticut, Vital Records, Prior to 1850," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPQH-YFWQ : 21 September 2019), Andrew Lester in entry for Lidia Starkweather, ; citing Marriage, , Compiled by Lucius A. and Lucius B. Barbour, housed at State Library, Hartford, Connecticut; FHL microfilm 008143425.”
Donald Jacobus in The American Genealogist 27:171 gives the wives of Nathaniel Spencer as "married first, about 1681, Lydia Smith, daughter of Thomas; married second Hannah _________." Notes all children by first wife. Mary Ferris in Dawes-Gates gives the same information (II:775). This research is considerably later than the 1907 Dewey research making her a Bailey.
Donald Jacobus in The American Genealogist 27:171 gives the wives of Nathaniel Spencer as "married first, about 1681, Lydia Smith, daughter of Thomas; married second Hannah _________." Notes all children by first wife. Mary Ferris in Dawes-Gates gives the same information (II:775). This research is considerably later than the 1907 Dewey research making her a Bailey.
I've messaged the profile mgr for the daughter Mary b Ireland. Requested she be detached. The correct dau Mary who married Mr. Belden is linked on the "opposite" mother profile.
Colonial Families of American Vol II page 688 (on ancestry.com) call Lydia nee Smith, not Bailey.
North American Families (Lineage data from the DAR) also call her nee Smith, daughter of Thomas Smith of Haddam. Dates this first marriage as 1681 and that Natl married second to a Hannah ________ no dates. States all nine ch by first wife.
Torrey queries her surname as Bailey too. (as cited above in sources)
Katherine, is there a good reason to retain PPP? New rules introduced last year require a project be associated with and be co-managed by a project if a profile is PPP but perhaps PPP isn't needed here? What do you think?
edited by T Stanton
Would it not make more sense to merge them with note that the parentage of Bailey has yet to be proved. This is how it is done with earlier names. To leave an individual (Nathaniel) with 4 spouses of the same name only adds to confusion, when in this case likely 3 of the spouses are the same person.
edited by Tim Prince
Andrew Lester Jr. married Lydia Starkweather, not Lydia Bailey: "Connecticut, Vital Records, Prior to 1850," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPQH-YFWQ : 21 September 2019), Andrew Lester in entry for Lidia Starkweather, ; citing Marriage, , Compiled by Lucius A. and Lucius B. Barbour, housed at State Library, Hartford, Connecticut; FHL microfilm 008143425.”
edited by Veronica (Gilbert) Newsom
Colonial Families of American Vol II page 688 (on ancestry.com) call Lydia nee Smith, not Bailey. North American Families (Lineage data from the DAR) also call her nee Smith, daughter of Thomas Smith of Haddam. Dates this first marriage as 1681 and that Natl married second to a Hannah ________ no dates. States all nine ch by first wife.
Torrey queries her surname as Bailey too. (as cited above in sources)
edited by Beryl Meehan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_date_of_admission_to_the_Union
Profile: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bailey-974