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Lydia (Unknown) Spencer (abt. 1661 - abt. 1721)

Lydia Spencer formerly [surname unknown]
Born about in Hartford, Hartford, Connecticut Colonymap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married 1681 in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticutmap
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 60 in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut Colonymap
Profile last modified | Created 2 Feb 2011
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Biography

Note: in preparation for merge with Bailey-636 this Lydia has been detached from undocumented parents John Bailey and Lydia Backus. The profiles will be merged with LNAB Unknown per the research to be combined from both profiles during the merge. This Lydia is the wife of Nathaniel Spencer.


Lydia’s birth is unsourced.

Lydia was married several times. (this is not confirmed by sources)

She was the wife of: Thomas Smith; Nathaniel Spencer, Sr. (These marriages are not confirmed)

There was a Lydia Bailey who married a Nathaniel Spencer by 1682 in Haddam, Connecticut.

Name

Lydia /Smith Bailey/
Other possible last names: Bayley, Smith

Birth

1660 Hartford, Hartford, Connecticut, United States
Other possible dates: 1659

Marriage

1681 Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut

Death

17 Jun 1696 Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut
Other possible death dates: 2 Jan 1729

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Bailey-636 and Unknown-551271 appear to represent the same person because: As agreed between the various PMs, we are now reading to merge Bailey-636 into Unknown-551271 so that our result is Lydia Unknown where we can sort out fact from fiction and documented from undocumented information.
posted by T Stanton
Bailey-5256 and Bailey-636 appear to represent the same person because: Let's go ahead with this merge, then merge the resulting profile with the Lydia Unknown profile where we can have all of the available info in one profile. Thanks and apologies for my confusion on this. I'll ask Anne B to help on this once we've got the merges completed (and we can PPP the profile at that point).
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by T Stanton
In the merge to Unknown-551271: Adding: the parents attached to Bailey-636 are not documented and should be detached during merge but links created in the narrative to prevent reintroduction of them unless documented. Thanks.
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by T Stanton
edited by T Stanton
Bailey-5256 and Bailey-636 are not ready to be merged because: The issue of the parents needs to be resolved. See the G2G thread on the topic. https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1166375/are-these-two-lydia-baileys-the-same-person
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by T Stanton
Apologies, the merges required to resolve the issues of the wife of Nathaniel Spencer are becoming circular (perhaps only in my mind). In the G2G linked above, I believe the current best way forward is to merge Bailey-5256 and Bailey-636 into the Lydia (Unknown) Spencer profile which exists as: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-551271 The parents attached to Bailey-5256 to be detached but the connection remaining in the narrative until all of this is resolved. For those who have not read the G2G, please do so as this is a quite complicated set of records with quite a bit of wrong and conflicting information published in reputable sources.
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by T Stanton
Bailey-31452 and Bailey-636 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicates; same spouse
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by Deb (Langsdorf) Gunther
I concur, none the less we also do NOT know that they "do not represent" the same person as as currently shown.

Would it not make more sense to merge them with note that the parentage of Bailey has yet to be proved. This is how it is done with earlier names. To leave an individual (Nathaniel) with 4 spouses of the same name only adds to confusion, when in this case likely 3 of the spouses are the same person.

posted on Bailey-5256 (merged) by Suzanne (Preston) Blier
Apologies, the merges required to resolve the issues of the wife of Nathaniel Spencer are becoming circular (perhaps only in my mind). In the G2G linked above, I believe the current best way forward is to merge Bailey-5256 and Bailey-636 into the Lydia (Unknown) Spencer profile which exists as: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-551271 The parents attached to Bailey-5256 to be detached but the connection remaining in the narrative until all of this is resolved. For those who have not read the G2G, please do so as this is a quite complicated set of records with quite a bit of wrong and conflicting information published in reputable sources.
posted on Bailey-5256 (merged) by T Stanton
Eowyn, let's first merge Bailey-5256 into -636. Then merge -636 into the Unknown profile.
posted on Bailey-5256 (merged) by T Stanton
Unknown-551271 and Bailey-5256 do not represent the same person because: The Unknown-551271 profile clearly states that the parents on Bailey-5256 are not documented. That needs to be resolved before a merge.
posted on Bailey-5256 (merged) by T Stanton
Bailey-636 and Bailey-5256 appear to represent the same person because: Same person - dates, husband, location, children. Note there are currently 4 Lydia Bailey Spencers listed as the wife of Nathaniel Spencer. I believe that 3 of the 4 represent the same person and have proposed this.
posted on Bailey-5256 (merged) by Suzanne (Preston) Blier
Bailey-5256 and Unknown-551271 appear to represent the same person because: Same person - same husband, same dates, same children, same locale.
Apologies, the merges required to resolve the issues of the wife of Nathaniel Spencer are becoming circular (perhaps only in my mind). In the G2G linked above, I believe the current best way forward is to merge Bailey-5256 and Bailey-636 into the Lydia (Unknown) Spencer profile which exists as: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-551271 The parents attached to Bailey-5256 to be detached but the connection remaining in the narrative until all of this is resolved. For those who have not read the G2G, please do so as this is a quite complicated set of records with quite a bit of wrong and conflicting information published in reputable sources.
posted by T Stanton
Spouse appears to be Nathaniel Spencer (1658-bef.1722) This would make possibly 4 duplicate spouses for him. The bio discusses likely parents, in disagreement with the wikitree suggestion based on unsourced findagrave profiles
posted on Bailey-31452 (merged) by Tim Prince
edited by Tim Prince
Bailey-636 and Bailey-685 are not ready to be merged because: The merge should not be completed until the pertinent issues also mentioned on the profiles are resolved.
posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by T Stanton
Posting the G2G link, forgot one was already underway: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1166375/are-these-two-lydia-baileys-the-same-person
posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by T Stanton
Bailey-685 and Bailey-636 appear to represent the same person because: They have the same name and spouse, although vital data doesn't match. If they aren't the same person then one of them needs to be detached from Nathaniel Spencer.
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by Connie Mack
I'm setting this back to a rejected match because none of the pertinent issues that require resolution prior to merge have been resolved, i.e., Smith vs Baily LNAB. Both profiles still contain "sources" which are not acceptable in pre-1700 profiles. Will set up a G2G to resolve the issues.
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by T Stanton
Forgot there was already a G2G underway on this. Please see: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1166375/are-these-two-lydia-baileys-the-same-person
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by T Stanton
This is inaccurate. I took this off the profile: “There was also a Lydia Bailey (1673- ) daughter of Thomas, who married an Andrew Lester (1674- ) ca. 1695 in New London, Connecticut”.

Andrew Lester Jr. married Lydia Starkweather, not Lydia Bailey: "Connecticut, Vital Records, Prior to 1850," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPQH-YFWQ : 21 September 2019), Andrew Lester in entry for Lidia Starkweather, ; citing Marriage, , Compiled by Lucius A. and Lucius B. Barbour, housed at State Library, Hartford, Connecticut; FHL microfilm 008143425.”

posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by Veronica (Gilbert) Newsom
edited by Veronica (Gilbert) Newsom
Donald Jacobus in The American Genealogist 27:171 gives the wives of Nathaniel Spencer as "married first, about 1681, Lydia Smith, daughter of Thomas; married second Hannah _________." Notes all children by first wife. Mary Ferris in Dawes-Gates gives the same information (II:775). This research is considerably later than the 1907 Dewey research making her a Bailey.
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by T Stanton
Donald Jacobus in The American Genealogist 27:171 gives the wives of Nathaniel Spencer as "married first, about 1681, Lydia Smith, daughter of Thomas; married second Hannah _________." Notes all children by first wife. Mary Ferris in Dawes-Gates gives the same information (II:775). This research is considerably later than the 1907 Dewey research making her a Bailey.
posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by T Stanton
I've messaged the profile mgr for the daughter Mary b Ireland. Requested she be detached. The correct dau Mary who married Mr. Belden is linked on the "opposite" mother profile.

Colonial Families of American Vol II page 688 (on ancestry.com) call Lydia nee Smith, not Bailey. North American Families (Lineage data from the DAR) also call her nee Smith, daughter of Thomas Smith of Haddam. Dates this first marriage as 1681 and that Natl married second to a Hannah ________ no dates. States all nine ch by first wife.

Torrey queries her surname as Bailey too. (as cited above in sources)

posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by Beryl Meehan
edited by Beryl Meehan
Adopted profile to facilitate clean-up and merges among duplicates.
posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by T Stanton
Katherine, is there a good reason to retain PPP? New rules introduced last year require a project be associated with and be co-managed by a project if a profile is PPP but perhaps PPP isn't needed here? What do you think?
posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Bailey-685 and Bailey-636 do not represent the same person because: No facts match.
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by Katherine (Alvis) Patterson
posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by Anonymous Vickery
Lydia Bailey who married Andrew Lester may be a different Lydia Bailey (b. 1673 or 1670; daughter of Thomas Bailey and Lydia Redfield).

Profile: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bailey-974

posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by Kenneth Kinman
Bailey-1863 and Bailey-685 appear to represent the same person because: Same parents; same birth yeat and birth place; same siblings.
posted on Bailey-685 (merged) by Kenneth Kinman
Bailey-685 and Bailey-636 are not ready to be merged because: birth & death dates & places too different to be confident this is the same person.
posted on Bailey-636 (merged) by Nan (Lambert) Starjak

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