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Margaret (Unknown) Goodwin (abt. 1642 - bef. 1705)

Margaret Goodwin formerly [surname unknown] aka Norman, Goodwing, Goodin
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married before 1650 [location unknown]
Wife of — married 15 Oct 1685 in Marblehead, Essex, Massachusettsmap
[children unknown]
Died before before about age 63 in Marblehead, Essex, Massachusetts Baymap
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Disputed Origins

Many older references and internet family trees refer to Margaret, the wife of Richard Norman and Robert Goodwin, as Margaret Flint, daughter of William Flint, with a birth year of about 1642. However, more recent sources including Robert Charles Anderson, (see biography section below) concluded that there was insufficient support for her being William Flint's daughter.

Biography

According to the latest research by Leslie Mahler and Robert Charles Anderson, Lt Richard Norman only had one wife named Margaret. Her maiden name and parents are unknown.[1][2][3]

However, Torrey (a derivative, not primary source) reports that that she was Margaret Flint and that as the widow Margaret Norman, then married Robert Goodwin. Both Margaret's marriages to Norman and Goodwin are found in Torrey as follows:

NORMAN, Richard (?1622, 1624?, 1623-1683) & 2/wf? Margaret [FLINT] (?1635-1705), m/2 Robert GOODWIN 1685; ?28 Mar 1660; Marblehead[4] However, in reviewing all of Torrey's references for the marriage, only Perley (History of Salem vol 2), Tingley-Meyers page 258 and Driver 297 show her as the daughter of William Flint; none of those references cite any sources for that information.

Her marriage to Robert Goodwin is found in Torrey as follows:

GOODWING, Robert & Margaret (FLINT) NORMAN (-1705, dau Wm; 15 Oct 1685; Marblehead.[5] Torrey's only source listed was Tingley-Meyers 113,258. As noted above, Tingley-Meyers page 258 cites no sources for his information.

What is certain is that Margaret married first Richard Norman, and second Robert Goodwin. What is not certain is that she was the daughter of William Flint, and he has been detached as her father

Death & Estate

Margaret Norman's death is given by the probate of her first husband Richard Norman's estate. His paperwork begins with a cover sheet listing RIchard's probate of 27 Nov 1683. Page 2 of this paperwork is a petition dated 5 Jul 1685 asking the court to award Margaret, widow of Richard a greater sum of Richard's estate so she was clearly alive at that time. Page 3 is dated 3 Sep 1705 and lists Margaret also as deceased. Probate paperwork available at americanancestors.org listing both Richard and Margaret as deceased.[6]

Note that Marblehead was set off from Salem on 6 May 1635[7]

Research Notes

  • According to an 1889 book, Margaret was born about 1642. She was the daughter of William Flint, and she married ________ Goodwin.[8]
  • Alice Flint, widow of William Flint (reported by some references to be Margaret Flint's father), filed a document with the court February 10, 1675/6 acknowledging that William had left his daughters out of his unsigned 'will-type' document, requesting that the court distribute William's estate in a "fair and just" manner so that the daughters, "Elizabeth, Margaret, Alice and Hannah" received their shares of his estate.[9] It should be noted that the probate information doesn't prove that this is the same Margaret of this profile.

Sources

  1. Leslie Mahler, "English Origin of Richard Norman of Salem, Mass." in The American Genealogist (New Haven, CT: D. L. Jacobus, Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2002), 77, 102-3 $subscription
  2. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-1633. (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995), vol 2 pp 1334-1336 $subscription
  3. Walter Goodwin Davis, The ancestry of Sarah Stone, wife of James Patten of Arundel (Kennebunkport) Maine, (Portland, Me., The Southworth Press, 1930) p 45
  4. New England Marriages to 1700. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: New England Marriages Prior to 1700. Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015. Vol 2. p. 1098
  5. New England Marriages to 1700. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: New England Marriages Prior to 1700. Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015. Vol 1. p. 635 $subscription
  6. Essex County, MA: Probate File Papers, 1638-1881.Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2014. (From records supplied by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Archives.) $subscription
  7. https://www.massmoments.org/moment-details/marblehead-carved-out-of-salem.html
  8. Cooke, Harriet Ruth, The Driver family: a genealogical memoir of the descendants of Robert and Phebe Driver, of Lynn, Mass. With an appendix, containing twenty-three allied families. 1592-1887, published 1889. Reference page 293-297
  9. Essex County, MA: Probate File Papers, 1638-1881.Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2014. (From records supplied by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Archives.) Reference Essex Case 9664, page 4 via $American Ancestors




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I posted the following comment under [Whitridge-1]:

= From the bio above, "Documentary evidence of such a marriage [i.e., to Richard Norman] has not been found, and Margaret is the only known wife of Richard Norman."

Given this, should not all of her [Whitridge-1] children be linked instead to Margaret (Unknown) [Unknown-322075] as their mother?

Richard Norman and Margaret (Unknown)'s children are outlined in Walter Goodwin Davis, The Ancestry of Sarah Stone: Wife of James Patten of Arundel (Kennebunkport) Maine (Portland, Maine: The Southworth Press, 1930), pages 52-54. =

Thus, I recommend all of the following profiles be attached as children of Margaret (Unknown) [Unknown-322075]:

  • Norman-1011 Rebecca
  • Norman-1017 Richard
  • Norman-978 William
  • Norman-1001 John
  • Norman-993 Elizabeth
  • Norman-1007 Joseph
  • Norman-988 Benjamin
  • Norman-1005 Jonathan
posted by Ken Norman
Regarding the merge and whether her name is "Flint" or "Unknown", the profile of Robert Goodwin-7033 has some sources incorporating both her first marriage to Norman and second marriage to Goodwin. Mahler's TAG 77 article did not claim a last name for her but did not state anything else about her so does not contradict the sources on Goodwin. Anderson in "Great Migration" agrees that Goodwin married the widow of Richard Norman Sr. When merging and cleaning up the biographies, please incorporate some information from Goodwin-7033 to improve this profile. Thanks!
posted on Flint-2423 (merged) by Brad Stauf
Did you find any evidence she was in New England by 1640? Also her birthdate seems to early for the marriage date.
posted on Flint-2423 (merged) by S (Hill) Willson
Re: birthdate, Torrey estimated 1635 which would make her 25 at marriage to Norman. I haven't looked deeper to see if any of his sources had something like a deposition or age at death or anything.

Re: immigration date, nothing more than what's on her father's record which has his first documented appearance 1642/43 in court and anything earlier is only "by family tradition" which also has him from Wales and probably says he immigrated with his 3 brothers and served under Cromwell and is the disinherited son of a noble family who had to change his name and also that he was Scottish nobility who was sent as a slave to New England and also that he founded Jamestown...but that's only "by family tradition" ;)

posted on Flint-2423 (merged) by Brad Stauf
Regarding the merge and whether her name is "Flint" or "Unknown", the profile of Robert Goodwin-7033 has some sources incorporating both her first marriage to Norman and second marriage to Goodwin. Mahler's TAG 77 article did not claim a last name for her but did not state anything else about her so does not contradict the sources on Goodwin. Anderson in "Great Migration" agrees that Goodwin married the widow of Richard Norman Sr. When merging and cleaning up the biographies, please incorporate some information from Goodwin-7033 to improve this profile. Thanks!
posted by Brad Stauf
It looks to me as if the merge should go into Unknown...agreed?
posted by S (Hill) Willson
I'm actually leaning more towards Flint based on the sources on Robert Goodwin-7033 (the husband of the other merge candidate, and Goodwin-7033 also needs to be merged with Goodwin-88) cites both Torrey and Mass VR stating that Margaret Flint Norman was the name of Robert Goodwin's wife. I haven't gone and looked further than that, or at Torrey's sources, but I think maybe it should be "Flint"

OK I cheated and did some more research and added it to Goodwin-7033 and submitted the merge request to Goodwin-88. Torrey clearly states Margaret was Flint, married both men and William Flint was known to have a daughter Margaret of that age in that location.

posted by Brad Stauf
edited by Brad Stauf
I don't see her name shown as Flint in the Massachusets Vital Records. Torrey only cites Some Ancestral Lines.... by Raymon Meyers Tingley, published 1935 (which is known to have many false claims within it). Perley's History of Salem, Volume 2, published in 1926, shows Margaret as daughter of William Flint without citing any sources for that information. Perhaps Perley is Tingley's source.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
edited by S (Hill) Willson
I did find a probate record for William Flint. He apparently did not list any daughters in his unsigned will-type document. His wife, Alice, filed a document with the court February 10, 1675/6, pointing out that his daughters (in order they appear), Elizabeth, Margaret, Alice and Hannah had been left out of William's "will", and she was seeking to have the court distribute the estate in a "just and equal" manner so that the daughters received their portion. She did not list any last names of her daughters, nor did I find a page where any of the estate recipients (or their spouse) signed in receipt for their portion. I will add the source.

This strengthens the assertion that Margaret's last name was Flint (edited to add): but doesn't prove that Margaret Flint is the same as this Margaret.

posted by S (Hill) Willson
edited by S (Hill) Willson
You're right that the MA VR only called her "Goodwing", no mention of Flint. I looked at the will of the "possible" father of William, Thomas Flint who died 1653 but he didn't name any of his children or grand-children in his will. If he had, somebody would have probably already noted whether or not William was his son. Maybe one of the daughters listed in Alice's petition you found wrote a will listing her sister Margaret. Following up on this, Alice Flint Bullock Pickering died intestate and her husband John did not mention any of her siblings. Edward Flint's will of 1711 mentioned Alice's son John Bullock, but no other Flint relatives. Thomas Flint died intestate 1719, extensive property division in his probate but no mention of any of his siblings other than "sister Abigail" who apparently took care of his children? Still looking...
posted by Brad Stauf
edited by Brad Stauf
Unknown-322075 and Flint-2423 appear to represent the same person because: same husbands
posted on Flint-2423 (merged) by Stephen Heathcote
Please change her maiden name to unknown latest research by Leslie Mahler, "The English Origin of Richard Norman of Salem, Massachusetts," The American Genealogist 77 (2002):102-103; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org_ (accessed 2013). and Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995); 2:1334-1336 for "Richard Norman."
posted by [Living Baker]
Flint-506 and Flint-199 appear to represent the same person because: These appear to be the same person
posted by Tim Burke Jr.

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