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James Bill (abt. 1590 - bef. 1638)

James Bill
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married about 1626 in Ringstead, Northamptonshire, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 48 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
Profile last modified | Created 5 Feb 2011
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The Puritan Great Migration.
James Bill migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See The Directory, by R. C. Anderson, p. 29)
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Biography

James Bill, of Ringstead, Northampton, England is named in the will of Mary, widow of Robert Bill, written on July 3, 1610 and proved on April 1, 1611. Although she does not identify her heirs as 'son' or 'daughter' except daughter Ann, it seems clear from the will of James brother Henry Bill, naming the same siblings, written on September 21, 1636, that these were all children of Robert Bill. Whether widow Mary Bill was the mother of the children is unclear, Robert may have had an earlier wife. [1]
James Bill had more than one wife. His children's baptisms in 1613 and 1616, do not identify her name, but she is named as Ann (___) when son Symon was baptized in 1624/5. [1]
His second wife was Dorothy (___), married before March, 1626/7, when son Thomas was baptized. It is speculated, but unproven, that Dorothy's maiden name was Tuttle. This is based on the fact that Richard Tuttle, took over any 'charges' for widow Dorothy Bill, by the town in 1638/9. [2] Simon Tuttle, her supposed father, named only his sons in his will. [1]
James and wife Dorothy were still living in England in September, 1636, as evidenced by the will of Henry Bill, James' brother. [1]
He died by January 1638/9, when his wife is called 'widow Dorothy Bill. [2]
On January 27, 1639/40, Robert Mears sold his house and gardenstead, 'where they now dwell' to widow Dorothy Bill, for her life, and her son (step son) James Bill. [3] [1]
There are no further records of Dorothy.

Birth

Born: Say 1590. The date is a rough estimate based on his marriage about 1612.

Marriages and Children

Married: 1st - Anne Unknown about 1612, presumably in Ringstead, Northamptonshire, England where their children were baptized. Her name is known from the baptism of her son Simon. She was still living on 20 March 1624/5, but was dead by 1626 when her husband had remarried to Dorothy.
Married: 2nd -Dorothy Tuttle(?) about 1626, presumably in Ringstead, Northamptonshire, England where their children were baptized.
Children of James and Ann Bill:[1]
  1. James Bill. Baptized on 11 September 1613 at Ringstead, Northampton, England.
  2. Ann Bill. Baptized on 1 January 1615/6 at Ringstead.
  3. Symonde Bill. Baptized on 20 March 1624/5 at Ringstead. He was specifically named as a son of James and Ann.
Children of James and Dorothy Tuttle:[1]
  1. Thomas Bill. baptized on March 18, 1626/7 at Ringstead.
  2. Phillip Bill. Baptized on 27 April 1628/9 at Ringstead.
  3. Anne Bill. Baptized on 2 October 1631 at Ringstead.
  4. Samuel Bill. Baptized in 1634/5 at Ringstead.

Death

Died: 10 December 1638 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colony.
The record of his death actually reads "John Bill."[4] As his wife is called "widow Dorothy Bill" only one month later, this is still thought to be the record of his death. The baptism records in Ringstead make clear his name was James, so why the discrepancy? It turns out these records are not original but were rewritten/transcribed some years after the death of James Bill by the town clerk. The entry above James Bill was for another John, so the discrepancy is explained as a transcription error by the town clerk when these records were rewritten.[1]

Associations

On 21 January 1638/9, Richard Tuttell (Tuttle) became responsible to the Town of Boston for "one Dorothie Bill, widow, a sojourner in his house." This record has been taken as evidence that Dorothy Bill was a sister of Richard Tuttle, however, this is not certain. There are no other records to suggest they are related, and they simply could have been friends who knew each other back to when they both lived in Ringstead.[2] [5] The description of Dorothy as a ’’sojourner’’ in Tuttle’s house instead of an adjective denoting kinship suggests Dorothy was not Richard’s kinsman, although the writer might not have known of any kinship.

A connection between the Tuttell and Bill families was also deduced from passengers John Bill age 13 and Marie/Mary Bill age 11 in 1635 when they crossed the Atlantic respectively on the Hopewell and the Planter (per Hotten et al). From the Planter’s passenger list order we infer Mary Bill accompanied 3 generations of Tuttells: brothers John, William and Richard Richard Tuttle); their wives and children; and their mother Isabel (Wells) Tuttell, widow of Simon Tuttell Tuttle-121 who died in 1630. The Tuttells were from Ringstead except John who was from St. Albans, Herts. [6] Inferences that Mary Bill’s mother was deceased by 1635 and that Mary Bill had a Tuttell ancestor are compelling.
Bill children John and Mary were too old to have been fruit of the marriage between James Bill and his second wife Dorothy.
While not dismissing the claim that James Bill Sr.’s wife Dorothy was a Tuttell, Cobb/Larson suggested that Bill’s first wife Ann was the Tuttell, citing the name Simon given to Ann’s last child b. in 1625 plus a recurrence of the name Ann but no Dorothys found among other generations of the Tuttell and Wells families. [1] That Simon Tuttell’s 1627 will mentioned no (surviving) daughters supports that hypothesis. Bill children John and Mary could have been born to James Bill and wife Ann outside of Ringstead during the gap in the births of James’s children recorded at Ringstead, say John b. in late 1621 and Mary b. in 1623. Then we’re comfortable with James Bill Sr. and wife Dorothy remaining in England in 1636 after Mary Bill age 11 crossed in 1635 with her putative grandmother Isabel. (Other hypotheses re the crossing of Bill children John and Mary without any parents: (a) orphans who connected differently to the Tuttells; or (b) children of Dorothy [Tuttell] Bill by her prior marriage to a different ____ Bill or that her children adopted the Bill surname.)
Dorothy’s connection to the Tuttells was inferred from Richard Tuttell’s magnanimity in Jan. 1638/1639. If one wife of James Bill was a Tuttell, then Richard Tuttell was an uncle of some but not all of the Bill children who went to New England. Richard Tuttell was chosen a constable of Boston on 11-5-1638, [2] possibly increasing Tuttell’s sense of responsibility for the Bill children.
Uncertainty re the exact Tuttell-Bill association could be resolved by evidence identifying Mary Bill’s mother. In its absence, it might be best to deem James Bill’s second wife Dorothy not a Tuttell.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 Cobb, John L. and Vada Tuttle Larson, "The English Origin of the Bill Family of Massachusetts an Connecticut," in The American Genealogist, volume 60, no. 4.(October 1984): page 193-202.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Anderson, Robert C., Richard Tuttle in: Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume VII, T-Y, New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts, 2011, p. 138 (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2012.) https://www.americanancestors.org/DB496/i/13260/138/24792872
  3. Anderson, Robert C., Robert Mears in: Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume V, M-P, New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts, 2005, p. 107 (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2010.) https://www.americanancestors.org/DB401/i/12155/107/235138964
  4. Boston Record Commissioners. A Report of the Record Commissioners Containing Boston Births, Baptisms, Marriages, and Deaths, 1630-1699. (Boston, 1908): page 6.
  5. Boston Record Commissioners. Second Report of the Record Commissioners of the City of Boston, (Boston, 1877): page 37.
  6. [Greene, David L., ‘’Origin of John Tuttle of Ipswich, MA,’’ The American Genealogist 54:167-75 (1979).
  • Cobb, John L. and Vada Tuttle Larson, "The English Origin of the Bill Family of Massachusetts an Connecticut," in The American Genealogist, volume 60, no. 4.(October 1984): page 193-202.
  • Anderson, Robert Charles, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, vol. 1: A - F, (Boston: NEHGS, 1995): page 289.
  • Boston Record Commissioners. Second Report of the Record Commissioners of the City of Boston, (Boston, 1877): page 37.
  • Boston Record Commissioners. A Report of the Record Commissioners Containing Boston Births, Baptisms, Marriages, and Deaths, 1630-1699. (Boston, 1908): page 6.




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I've proposed a merge of daughters Mary and Maria, but I'm not sure she should be attached as a daughter. She came at age 10 on the Planter with the family of William Tuttle and there is no further record, so she could very easily be a niece rather than a daughter. Are there any objections to disconnecting her profile after the merge?
posted by M Cole
Mary Bill's listed age when crossing on the Planter was 11, not 10. Obscuring Mary's existence (by disconnecting her from James Bill Sr.) would not be constructive. Per the Ringstead parish register (TAG 60: 194), James Bill Sr. by his wife Anne had a son Simon bp. March 20 1624/1625, possibly named for Simon Tuttell, and James by his next wife Dorothy had a son Thomas bp. March 1626/1627. Assuming Simon was bp. soon after his birth, Mary Bill would have been older than Simon and thus not a daughter of Dorothy (___) Bill. A reasonable inference is that Mary Bill’s mother was deceased when Mary crossed with the Tuttell family in 1635 and that Mary had an ancestor named Tuttell. I would disconnect Dorothy as Mary’s mother. Retaining Mary’s connection to James Bill Sr. is more helpful in understanding how the Bill and Tuttell families relate to each other than disconnecting her from James Bill Sr. Mary’s profile already notes that her parentage is uncertain. Mary Bill’s existence is significant in support of the conclusion that Dorothy Bill wasn’t a Tuttell but that some Bill children including James Bill Jr. had Tuttell ancestry.
posted by Charles Clark
I don't agree that detaching Mary's profile would obscure her existence, especially as is the PGM Project policy, it would still be linked in the bio.

I see that the comments under "Associations" are edits from you earlier this year, and that you've proposed removing wife Dorothy's name. (For future reference, a suggested action is probably better as a comment or on g2g, rather than being inserted into the bio). Perhaps that question should be considered separately.

posted by M Cole
I came across this online archived book, "History of the Bill family". Which is what first led me to believe the connection of John Bill and Anne Mountford being this James's parents. Tho I know that is most likely wrong.

http://archive.org/stream/historyofbillfam1867bill#page/n29/mode/1up

Hi, Katelyn. The 1867 work 'History of the Bill Family' by Ledyard Bill is known to contain a number of errors and lacks documentation in many areas.
posted by T Stanton
From the listed baptisms as Ringstead, supposed daughters Mary and Maria born c. 1624/5 would not be the children of Dorothy, as Symond, baptized on March 20, 1624/5 was the son of James and Ann (___) There is a big space between Ann b. 1615/6 and Symond.
posted by Chris Hoyt
It appears from TAG: 60: 1984 https://www.americanancestors.org/DB283/i/12789/193/24565581

That James Bill had a first wife named Ann ( ), mother of some of the attached children.

Same article indicates LNAB of wife Dorothy is speculated as Tuttle, but unproven.

They were still in England in September, 1636.

See sources/bio just added on Dorothy's profile. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tuttle-181

posted by Chris Hoyt
I see this profile received parents, I don't see that a source was added.

Will someone please review this parental addition. If it is inaccurate, please detach, add a disputed origins, then comment and I'll come back to PPP. Thanks.

Since he was in Boston 1635, died there 1638, seems he is PGM, marking today.
posted by Beryl Meehan
We should NOT complete the merge between Bill-39 and Bill-58. They are not the same person.

Bill-58 is a John Bill (not James John Bill), but Ledyard Bill, in his 1867 genealogy of the Bill family, confused this John Bill with the James Bill who is actually Dorothy Tuttle's (Tuttle-181) husband.

James Bill (Bill-39), the actual husband of Dorothy Tuttle (Tuttle-181) is NOT the son of John William Bill (Bill-120) and Anne Mountford (Mountford-14). If you merge this James Bill (Bill-39) and (Bill-58), you will have an inaccurate lineage. Instead, he is the son of a Robert Bill and Mary.

For details, see John L. Cobb and Vada Tuttle Larson. 1984. The English Origin of the Bill Family of Massachusetts and Connecticut. The American Genealogist 60 (4): 193-201.

posted by Dave Lawrence
Dave: can you supply the documentation showing that Bill-39 is the son of Robert and Mary, and NOT of Bill-120 and Mountford-14? I'd like to get the parentage of Bill-39 sorted out. Thanks.
posted by Marc Cohen
This is actually not correct. John and James Bill are actually the same person. It is absolutely clear that Dorothy Tuttle married a James Bill. However, in the record of his death he is recorded as John Bill, which of course has led to some controversy. As it turns out, the Vital records are not actually original but were transcribed/rewritten by the town clerk some years after the death James Bill. It is believed and almost certainly true that this is a transcription error by the town clerk who wrote John when he should have written James. This problem is discussed in the TAG article "English Origin of the Bill Family".

The same article is where you can find evidence that he is the probable son of Robert and Mary Bill. He is certainly not the son of Bill-120 and Mountford-14. This profile needs to be rewritten with the modern research incorporated, and the correct parents attached.

posted by Joe Cochoit
Joe, you seem most familiar with the published research. Would you please take on rewriting the narrative?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Hi Joe

I couldn't find any article that identifies Dorothy's LNAB as Tuttle, as more than speculation. Do you know where I should look?

posted by Chris Hoyt
No, we need to research this further. At this point I only know that the Bill article calls the identification speculative. It seems like the Tuttle's are a fairly well-researched family and we should be able to find something. I am not bothered by the fact that she does not appear in her supposed father's will since he names no daughters. This may be a rare case where we keep the name and link to father, but mark it uncertain (something I generally don't like to do).
posted by Joe Cochoit
Bill-58 and Bill-39 appear to represent the same person because: There really is no conflicting information on these two profiles and therefore are duplicates.
posted by Orinda (Hamon) Spence

Rejected matches › John William (abt.1830-)