Margaret (Unknown) Griswold
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Margaret (Unknown) Griswold (abt. 1608 - 1670)

Margaret Griswold formerly [surname unknown]
Born about in Englandmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married about 1629 (to 23 Aug 1670) in Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 62 in Killingworth, New London, Connecticutmap
Profile last modified | Created 18 Dec 2013
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There are disproven, disputed, or competing theories about this person's parents. See the text for details.
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Biography

Margaret (______) Griswold died August 23, 1670,[1] and is buried in Clinton, Connecticut, Congregational Burying Ground: gravestone marked M.G. 1670.[2]
Her grave site is reportedly the oldest in the Old First Church (Indian River) Cemetery. Marked only with "M.G. 1670", it is believed to be the burial place of Margaret Griswold, wife of Killingworth (now Clinton) settler Edward Griswold. Several birth surnames have been posited for Margaret, most frequently HICKS, but all have been discredited in family literature.[2]
There are no actual records of her birth or marriage, and her maiden name remains unknown.[3] [4]
According to the Griswold Family Association, who have done extensive research, and "The Griswold Family: 12 Generations in England" 1999, p. 54, Edward married Margaret [__?__] about 1628 in England. She was born about 1609. Margaret died 23 Aug 1670 in Killingworth, Middlesex, Connecticut…

NOTE: THE NEXT TWO PARAGRAPHS ARE PENDING INFORMATION THAT WILL BE UPDATED LATER: About Aug. 17, 1639, Rev. Ephriam Huit arrived in Windsor, Connecticut with his company. He had been pastor at Warwickshire, England of the Kenilworth Parish and of the Puritan faith. He was censured and silenced which was the moving cause of his organizing his company and for his removal to New England. Edward and Matthew Griswold were members of this company. Edward and Margaret Griswold arrived in America in 1639 with their growing family. (The Griswold family : England-America, Vol. II. about Edward Griswold)

Margaret and Edward Griswold married in England, and their first five children were baptized in Kenilwoth Parish, England; the other children were recorded in Windsor, Connecticut. They had twelve children, but three died young, or are presumed to have died young. Their children are Sarah born in 1631, but died young; George born in 1633; Francis, a son, born in 1635; Lydia born in 1637, presumably died young and no further information is available; a second daughter, Sarah born in 1638; John born in 1642 and died young; Ann or Hannah born in 1642; Mary born in 1644; Deborah born in 1646; Joseph born in 1647; Samuel born in 1649; and a second son John born in 1652. (The Griswold family : England-America, Vol. II. Edward Griswold, and Dawes-Gates https://archive.org/details/dawesgatesancest00ferr_0/page/398/mode/2up)

From Genealogical and Personal History of Western Pennsylvania:

(Edward Griswold,) He married (first) in England, in 1630, Margaret , who died August 23, 1670. Her gravestone is the oldest in the burial ground at Clinton, formerly Killingworth. Children of first wife: Sarah, born 1631, in England; George, mentioned below; Frances, 1635; Lydia, 1637; Sarah, 1638, married (first) November 10, 1650, Samuel Phelps, (second) July 21, 1670, Nathaniel Pomeroy; Ann, baptized June 19, 1642, at Windsor ; Mary, baptized October 1, 1644, married, March 19, 1661, Timothy Phelps; Deborah, June 28, 1646, married Samuel Buell ; Joseph, born and baptized March 12, 1647; Samuel, born and baptized November 16, 1649, died July 6, 1672; John, born and baptized August 16, 1652.

Research Notes

Disputed Parents and Last Name

There is lack of agreement about her maiden name. The theories are as follows:

  1. Blencow, daughter of John Blencow and Mary Walleson of Marston-St. Lawrence, Kings Sutton Hundred; "married Edward Griswold of Cubbington in Solihull, co. Warwick."[5] BUT, a later TAG article points out that the Edward Griswold of that parish died in 1633 and his wife died the same year, excluding the possibility that this was the immigrant couple to Connecticut![6]
  2. Hicks -- either daughter of a Robert Hicks, or wife/widow of a Hicks who she supposedly married in 1628, the year before she married Edward Griswold. New England Genealogy, Vol. 1, p.250, cites her surname as HICKS, but the Robert Hicks family was already in Plymouth as of 1621. Records indicate Margaret and Edward were married in England after this date.
  3. Diamond. The source for this claim appears to have been "The Compendium of American Genealogy" that states that Margaret Diamond, Edward Griswold's first wife was the daughter of John Diamond. It states that Edward's second wife was Sarah Bemis of New London, CT. However, after the death of Edward’s first wife, Margaret, he married Sarah Bemis, the widow of James Bemis. Most likely the names of Margaret and Sarah Dimond were confused.

Sources

  1. Killingworth Vital Records pg. 79 - GRISWOLD MARGARET w. Edward d: 23 Aug 1670
  2. 2.0 2.1 Find A Grave: Memorial #7604241
  3. Mary Walton Ferris, Dawes-Gates Ancestral Lines, (1943, 1931), viewed on Ancestry.com, page 402.
  4. Glenn E. Griswold, The Griswold Family, England-America (Middleboro, Massachusetts, 1935), viewed on Ancestry.com, page 16.
  5. "Margaret (Blencow) Griswold," in The American Genealogist, 39(1962):180, but without citing a source for this claim, unless she is citing Visitation of Northamptonshire, 1618-1619, p 69
  6. John G. Hunt, "Note on the Ancestry of the Griswolds of Connecticut," in The American Genealogist, 40:43

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What is the source of the "about 1608" birth year we are publishing now, as a non-uncertain fact?
posted by Isaac Taylor
It is an uncertain fact, which is why it is "about" 1608. It is likely based on approximate age at marriage of 20 years of age..
posted by S (Hill) Willson
edited by S (Hill) Willson
Hi Isaac, unfortunately, we mostly have to estimate birth dates. We follow the standard used by Anderson (and others) to assume an age of about 20 for women and 25 for men at marriage (unless there is additional information to consider, depositions, property ownership, age at death, childbearing age). Ideally, this should be noted in the bio, and we update it when we can. This profile still needs a bio to be completed, so at that point it should be clarified.
posted by M Cole
Geneanet via Ancestry gives the following unsourced claims on HICKS via his wife WINSLOW, which I have reformatted merely for clarity and to avoid violating anybody's copyright:
Name Margaret Winslow Hicks
Gender Female
Birth Date 23 août 1610
Birth Place Kenilworth, Warwickshire
Marriage Date 1630
Marriage Place Kennilworth, Warwickshire
Death Date 23 août 1670
Death Place Clinton, Middlesex, Connecticut
Father Robert HICKS
Mother Margaret WINSLOW
Spouse Edward GRISWOLD
Child Deborah Griswold
Child Dr. John Griswold

Noted: it would be a conspicuous coincidence if she died on her birthday (23 August). This may hint at cut-and-paste foilbles if somebody guesstimated her birth from her age (i.e. let's make her be 60) in some GED manipulation software in years past, that autofills dates? (Just speculating intuitively.) Is there a baptismal record in Warwickshire near Kenilworth for any Margaret Hicks (etc) on 23 Aug 1610?

I know nothing about this family group. First minutes looking at the profile tonight, on a very unexpected Snakenborg descent from Elizabethan research which says two coincidental lines of descent meet here (at this family group). My point is, I have zero agenda. But since this may be lineal for me, I'm just curious about Margaret Unknown.

I see in our profile it says this "can't be true because the Robert Hicks family were in New England by 1621" to paraphrase. At first glance, that claim seems not incompatible with the Geneanet assertion his hypothetical daughter Margaret was born in 1610 in England, and married in 1630 in England. It would just mean he came without his child and she grew up in England, and came over later after marrying Griswold. Stranger things have happened.

Two favors to ask:

  1. Might somebody who is more expert in the Griswolds summarize which evidenced facts from which primary sources refute the LNAB Hicks placement? Is it definitive? Not arguing. Just curious.
  2. Lastly, might somebody who is been involved with this profile a bit, summarize from what region of the US their living descendants tend to hail from, today; or from where the older GEDs/edits seemed to originate? (This will help set my expectations a bit about where to look and what to look out for.)

In the meantime, my quick thoughts and constructive criticism is:

Our research note which says "Records indicate Margaret and Edward were married in England after this date" seems a bit irrelevant. Are we saying, we already know:

  • a) Robert Hicks did have a daughter Margaret -- which would be a big deal -- but she can't be this person, as that Margaret Hicks had already emigrated to New England before this Margaret Unknown married Griswold (back in England). My next question would be, how can we prove she didn't go back to get married? Or, are we saying we already know
  • b) Robert Hicks did not have a daughter called Margaret, and so therefore, this Margaret Unknown can't possibly be LNAB Hicks.

Since we don't provide the underlying evidence to readers, or logical chain of reasoning -- just the asserted conclusions -- our research note on disputed origins reads more as somebody's opinion (that she isn't LNAB Hicks) rather than proving that, for all to see. If we're sure then, we should slam dunk the proof.

Thanks,

Your cousin somehow!

posted by Isaac Taylor
edited by Isaac Taylor
With everything else that was/is wrong with this profile (which does look to be cleared up) there's a conflict between the written profile and the birth date of her son Samuel. The bio says he was born 1672 and his profile says that he was born 1649 (and died in1672). Since this is a quote from a source, I didn't want to just presume it's a typo, and not an error in the source.
I added a link to the source, and it was a mistranscription (the source includes both the baptism and the death date).

It looks like at one time there was the intent to take the information from the text blocks and incorporate it into a bio (which is incomplete as of now). It looks like that effort has stalled, so if you're interested in working to finish the bio, I think that opportunity is available.

posted by M Cole
N.n.-32 and Unknown-221279 appear to represent the same person because: There is minimal source and information on N.n.-32 profile. Death and burial information is the same. Birth year is approximately the same, no other relatives, it looks like it is the same person. Nothing on the biography of N.n.-32 probably should be brought forward in the merge.
Here is my solution: I’ve removed Hicks-11193 as her father and changed her birth information from 1631 to about 1609. I’ve removed Edward Griswold-232 as her husband. I’ve removed her as the mother of Griswold-1601, and I’ve removed Griswold-232 as the father of Griswold-1601. (Edward Griswold-33 and Margaret did have a daughter Sarah, born in 1635, but there is already a profile for her, Griswold-101, and she did not marry Nathaniel Stevens.) I’ve proposed a merge of Hicks-11192 with Unknown-221279, which will correct Margaret’s maiden name to Unknown. And I’ve proposed a merge of Griswold-232 with Griswold-33.
posted by Kay (Johnson) Wilson
There are some serious problems with this profile. Her birth info in the data section is 5 Aug 1631 in Ilmington, based on a christening record from Family Search, but the text of her biography says she was born about 1609. She is shown as the daughter of Isaack Hicks-11193, but the biography says that her maiden name is unknown. She is shown as the mother of Sarah Griswold-1601 who was born in 1663, but that would have made Margaret 54 at Sarah's birth which is not possible. And her spouse is shown as Edward Griswold-232 (1632-1690) a profile whose only source is an Ancestry tree, while her actual husband is Edward Griswold-33 (1607-1691), the man listed as the father of Griswold-232. And there is already a profile for the wife of this Edward Griswold-33, Margaret Unknown-221279.
posted by Kay (Johnson) Wilson
Your Welcome Christopher. She's in my direct family line too but as I'm unfamiliar with final editing protocol (haven't learned the language yet) I'll bow to your expertise. Leigh Anne
Glad you completed it, Leigh Anne. I may spend some time with the merged profile, since she's a forebear.
posted by Christopher Childs
Christopher I seem to be one step out of sync with everyone today. I already completed the merge. If you see anything amiss on this profile feel free to yell at this old lady, Otherwise I think I'll quit while I'm ahead. Happy New Year.
No problem, Leigh Anne -- glad to have you looking after her.  :o) I'm a PGM project member; if you want to add me to the Trusted List for Blencow-7, I may be able to handle the merge.
posted by Christopher Childs
Christopher I should have checked back here first. I went and adopted the profile Blencow-7. How should I proceed in order to help this profile go away. Thanks Leigh Anne
Please note her last name is Unknown per the following authoritative source:

"Massachusetts, Town and Vital Records, 1620-1988 for: Margaret ______. Death 23 Aug 1670 in Gill, Massachusetts. Spouse: Edward Griswold.

Margaret's an ancestress... Jillaine, I could adopt (orphaned) Blencow-7 if that would facilitate the merge. (That profile, as Leigh Anne indicates, is barren and doesn't have any info to offer; but I'm assuming the merge ought to be in the direction of Unknown-22179 in any case, even if the other profile did have info.)
posted by Christopher Childs
Hello. Blencow-7 is a duplicate of Unknown-221279 (this profile). Some gedcom upload created Blencow-7. In the spirit of eliminating unsourced or wrongly sourced duplicates would one of you folks initiate a merge between Blencow-7 and Unknown-221279. Thanks for your help.

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