Extra **Kings-day** Dutch Roots Challenge!!

Question

Hello everyone! Hallo Allemaal !

Tomorrow (2016-04-27) it is KING'S DAY in the Netherlands, a national holiday. All Dutch are dressing up in the color orange or in the colours of our flag: red-white-blue. For King's Day the Dutch Roots Project of course organizes an extra :

Morgen (2016-04-27) is het natuurlijk KONINGSDAG in Nederland. Naast alle andere activiteiten in ons land, organiseert het Dutch Roots Project natuurlijk voor deze bijzondere gelegenheid ook graag een extra :   

KING'S DAY SOURCERERS CHALLENGE

* We're looking for ancestors and sources of (sources also for the already present) ancestors of the following living Dutch Royal Ladies:     

* We zoeken naar de voorouders en bronnen van (bronnen voor ook de al aanwezige) voorouders van de volgende koninklijke dames van Nederland:             

* Koningin- Queen: Máxima Zorreguieta, gehuwd met onze Koning- married to our King Willem Alexander.

* Prinses- Princess: Mabel Wisse Smit, weduwe van- widow of Prins Johan Friso 

* Prinses- Princess: Laurentien Brinkhorst, gehuwd met / married to Prince Constantijn.

 

Rules:The challenge starts right now at KING's NIGHT and ends sunday 2016-05-01 at noon GMT time. 

Reglement: De challenge begint nu op Koning's Nacht en eindigt zondag 2016-05-01 om 12.00 uur 's middags GMT tijd.

* Post beneath this announcement: the link of the profile you found info of and what info and where. Just answer ONCE and edit that answer to add all new sources you found at the same message. So stay at one comment and post in there. Please number the sources you added.This way all you found stays together. 

* Post wat je vindt hier onder. Maak een antwoord en voeg daar elke keer nieuwe vondsten aan toe onder vermelding van de link naar het betreffende profiel, wat je gevonden of toegevoegd hebt en de link naar de bron.  En nummer alsjeblieft je vondsten ook ! Zo blijft alles wat je gevonden hebt bij elkaar in een venster.

* Winner is the one with the most (only reliable) sources added. For good Dutch sources read here

* Winnaar is degene die de meeste bronnen (alleen betrouwbare!) heeft toegevoegd. Voor goede betrouwbare bronnen in Nederland zie: hier.

Note : The already existing profiles are not open. If you re not able to add sources or profiles please post it here or send me a private message: Astrid Schellenberger Thank you. 

Note:  de reeds bestaande profielen zijn niet open. Indien het niet mogelijk is om bronnen en de info aan een profiel toe te voegen post dat of stuur me even prive berichtje : Astrid Schellenberger Bij voorbaat dank.

 

Happy King's Day and have fun !  Fijne Koningsdag en veel plezier !

The -Het  Dutch Roots Challenge Team ! 

 Astrid Spaargaren & Bea Wijma  (thnx Martyn Grifhorst !)

Answer 1

First of all, I like to thank you all for your hard work and enthusiasm. We all did a wonderful job. I really love you picked up the challenge! Thank you, thank you! It s just big fun this way. :)

Princess Mabel has now instead of zero ancestors 81!!!!!!!!!!!!! ancestors. :) Isn't that great????? Just proud this was accomplished in only 4 days! 

Mabel (Los) van Oranje-Nassau's ancestors are:

-Complete on sourced ancestors till generation 5, her Great-Great-Grandparents......... 

-but even better!: almost complete (only five missing out of 32!!!) generation 6 her Great-Great-Great-Grandparents. :D 

-And best: 24 Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandparents out of 64!! That is just A FANTASTIC RESULT!!!! 

See: Tree Widget Mabel Wisse Smit (born Los) 

A special thank you to all participants.Thank you to B.W.J. Molier! our always supporting and best connector of the Dutch_Roots_Project! Also to Peter Scheffer who added so many profiles (:D Even if they "just" came from "Vorsten", that was just great!). Thank you Peter! :) Jan........ and Bea: Our great leaders at the Dutch_Roots_Project supporting us all and guiding us. Best searchers/sourcerers we have. :) Thank you!!!!!

Then at last I like to thank Rob Ton!!!!! Smiling big, as he added so many ancestors to Princess Mabel, supported and sourced as ever so well. :) I think we have a winner. :) But we will wait till WikiTree has fully uploaded all (takes about 24 hours) and honor the winner with a badge!!!!! Asking all to be just a little patient. :) 

 

Now our monthly challenge starts Tuesday (2016-05-03). :D I am not telling what the challenge will be but it will be something alike of this succesful FIRST KING's DAY Challenge. 

 

On behalf of the Dutch_Roots_Challenges Team 

Thank you for your efforts!!! and the big fun! 

 

Bea Wijma And Astrid Spaargaren

 

 

 

 

This challenge would not have been possible without the cooperation of [[Grifhorst-1|Martyn E. Grifhorst]] who added me (Astrid) to the trusted lists of our Royal Family to make it possible to add the family of our Princesses. Thank you Martyn! 

 

 

 

 

 

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And the winnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr of our   first Dutch-Roots KING'S DAY SOURCERERS CHALLENGE  is!!!!!:D 

 

             ROB TON! 

Congratulation Rob! :) Well done.

With on the second place, and very close, Peter Scheffer. 

Wonderful work of you too Peter! Thank you! 

 

@Rob I am sure Bea will honor you with the connector challenge winner badge a.s.a.p. and the challenge template. 

Again thank you all for the fun and all the hard work. :) 

Tomorrow we start our monthly (May) challenge with a little liberation edge :D 

Hope you all will find some time to participate. 

WikiLove,

A.

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could not add (find) the sourcerers challenge winner badge, so I guess connecting Mabel to her deep ancestors ...a connector challenge winner badge is a good choice as well eeh :)

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Wow! Of course that is great! Thank you Bea! :D Rob also earned the right to add the april winner dutch roots challenge badge! 

 

:)))))))) Isn t Rob the Master of Templates at WikiTree? Thought I saw that somewhere.... :D 

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Yes he is, he also created the Dutch Roots Templates :)

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Wow so he can add his self created template now? :) He is just lucky!!! :D

 

Well Rob deserved anything anyway. Winner or not. Peter is on the nomination list. Happy I met him here :D

 

Back short to unsourced profiles after finding the head tap in the rain of my mother in law lol! Night all!

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The challenge templates were created by Abby , the Dutch Roots Project templates are created by Rob ;)

Answer 2

Hi, I'm too busy with the King's dinner in my street and the hunt for special stuff on the Vrijmarkt. Success with your challenge!

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Hahaha No worries B.W.J. Don't forget your snow boots and winter coat! :/ Besides the challenge lasts till next Sunday.

 

Go and have fun B.!

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Well I'll of course try if I can find some ancestors here or some sources for them :D

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Yeh!!!!!!!! :D I already added unsourced parents for Mabel profiles set to open. So anyone can have fun there!

I will for Laurentien now! :)

And the gparents of Maxima. :)

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OH! Bea is in front now!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

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:D Bea you have to make one window to put in what you found. Name the profile and behind it what you added with where you found the source. And count them! lol :D

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The one window works only if we stay within the 8000 words ...quite hard for chatterboxes like us :P

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I added a few unsourced death dates so I could edit the privacy of the profiles and are open now. I also added some of you to the trusted lists!

Wow you re all working hard!!! :D Thank you for that!!!

Answer 3

1. Profile http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brinkhorst-4 Added Primary Image. Source: NRC-Handelsblad.[http://www.nrc.nl/handelsblad/2006/01/12/voor-d66-spelen-andere-belangen-11068207]

2.http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brinkhorst-4 and http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Heringa-6  http://asaloesoel.igv.nl/de-indische-roots-van-h-k-h-prinses-laurentien/ IV. Prof. Mr. Laurens Jan Brinkhorst (R.N.L., O.O.N.), geb. Zwolle 18 maart 1937, onder meer hoogleraar Europees recht te Groningen 1967-1973, staatssecretaris van Buitenlandse Zaken 1973-1977, voor D66 lid van de Tweede Kamer der Staten-Generaal 1977-1982, fractievoorzitter D66 1981-1982, werkzaam voor de Europese Commissie 1982-1994, lid van het Europees Parlement 1994-1999, minister van Landbouw, Natuurbeheer en Visserij 1999-2002, minister van Economische Zaken 2003-2006, vicepremier 2005-2006, hoogleraar Internationaal en Europees Recht en Bestuur aan de Universiteit Leiden 2006-, tr. ’s‑Gravenhage 26 aug. 1960 Drs. Jantien Heringa.

3:Mother of Laurens Jan, G-mother of Laurentien Grootmoeder

III. Françoise Laurence Wilhelmina Hoolboom, geb. ’s‑Gravenhage 14 sept. 1901, overl. ’s‑Gravenhage 2 dec. 1981, tr. Medan (Oostkust van Sumatra) 16 dec. 1928 Marius Jacobus Brinkhorst, geb. Dieren (Rheden) 19 mei 1902, planter in Deli (Oostkust van Sumatra), overl. Apeldoorn 25 april 1943, zn. van Jan Hendrik Brinkhorst en Maria Jacoba Steenbeek.  Will search for documents if possible.! :D 

 

4.Birthdocument [http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brinkhorst-5] Source:[https://www.wiewaswie.nl/personen-zoeken/zoeken/document/a2apersonid/596811813/srcid/49238394/oid/33 Birth1902withImage-WieWasWie

5.http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Brinkhorst-5 Residence/registration at The Hague 1939 <ref>[https://www.wiewaswie.nl/personen-zoeken/zoeken/document/a2apersonid/515149629/srcid/48770516/oid/2 Registration1939-WieWasWie]</ref>

 

6. http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brinkhorst-5 Death1943 [https://www.wiewaswie.nl/personen-zoeken/zoeken/document/a2apersonid/523770623/srcid/4658442/oid/33 Death1943-WieWasWie]

7. [http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hoolboom-1] *Registratie/registration in Den Haag1939 with image [https://www.wiewaswie.nl/personen-zoeken/zoeken/document/a2apersonid/517662665/srcid/48770515/oid/2 registration1939-WieWasWie]

8.http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Zorreguieta-3 BMD info at [http://www.cbg.nl/download/dl_amalias_voorouders.pdf bmd&amalia'svoorouders]

9.Created: -Antoinette Petronella (van Woerkom) Kooman. Gm

-Adrianus Jan van Woerkom. Ggf

-Anthonetta Petronella (Laban) van Woerkom. ggm

-Peter Wisse Smit.  stepfather

-Wisse Jacobs (Smit) Wisse Smit. stepGfather

-Huibrecht Laban. gggf

-Maartje de Graaf.gggf

-Anthonij Laban. ggggf

-Jacob de Graaf.

-Abraham de Graaf ggggf

-Cornelia (Beversluis) de Graaf. ggggm

YES!!!! Connected Helena Johanna Prillevitz  http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Prillevitz-11 to her existing family profiles!!  her father Cornelis Arnoldus Pillevitz Prillevitz-5 and her mother  Geertje van Heusden Van_Heusden-4 (profile existing) and to Cornelis'parents and grandparents also already existing. :) Most Gedcom uploads so need a little bling-bling! :) 

Wish I just cout read this word after Eerste -something- of the burgomaster of Ter Aar. First what??? :D 

Next coming lol having trouble on French birthcertificate of Willem van Woerkom.............. 

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Night for now! All have a great KING's DAY!!! Despite the weather :/ Just have fun and enjoy!

Answer 4

1.  Mabel Wisse Smit : Mabel wordt geboren in Pijnacker op 11 Augustus 1968 en is de oudste dochter van Hendrik Cornelis Los en Florence Malde Gijsberdina Kooman. Oorspronkelijk heet ze dus eigenlijk Mabel Los.  Bron : de Kruiwagens van Mabel Also mentioned in this source are Laurentien Brinkhorst and her father Laurens Jan Brinkhorst 

2. Added some info to father Hendrik Los profile Source: Bevolkingsreconstructie en genealogisch onderzoek in de omstreken van Rotterdam 

3. Source Nachkommen von Heinrich (Hendrik) Biesters Roberta Hermina van der Helden born Duisburg in this and this Source: Bevolkingsreconstructie en genealogisch onderzoek in de omstreken van Rotterdam mentioned as daughter of Hendrik Cornelis van der Helden and wife Judig van Woerkom.  also mentioned as daughter of these parents here: Geneagraphie 

4. birth Judig van Woerkom  12-01-1890 Heerewaarden (Maasdriel) parents : Gerrit van Woerkom (Steenovenbaas) and Judig Steennis

5. marriage Judig van Woerkom and Hendrik Cornelis van der Helden (skipper, sailor)  21-04-1910 Heerewaarden his parents: Fier van der Helden (salmon fisher) and Geertje van Toorn. 

6. marriage Fier van Helden and Geertje van Toorn  5-11-1863 Heerewaarden her parents Jan van Toorn and Gozewina van Roozendaal his parents Robbert van der Helden (occup. Visscher) and Gerdina Udo. Baptism dates of the bride 04-02-1838 Opijnen Neerijnen and groom 26-10-1838 Heerewaarden 

7. Baptism Fier van der Helden  26-10-1838 Heerewaarden

8. Parenteel van Woerkom Bartje Firant , geboren Est en Opijnen 16 maart 1804, gedoopt Est en Opijnen 22 maart 1804, overleden Heerewaarden 8 mei 1880, trouwt Heerewaarden 10 december 1835 Johannes Biesters, geboren Heerewaarden 6 december 1793, gedoopt Heerewaarden 8 december 1793, overleden Heerewaarden 12 juni 1879, ouders Jacob Biesters en Adriana Ton 

9. Added father Martinus Los  (grandfather of Mabel) 

10. Added Jacoba de Graaf (mother of Martinus Los) and wife of Leendert Johannes Los (Peter created a profile for him :) ) here's their marriage record

 

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hahahaha I love that info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D Call in Joop!!!!!!!! We need him to work on that profile! :D

 

I think you can add info to the parents of Mabel so go! and name profile here....... what you add and the source you used.

 

Something like

2. http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Los-30 added birthdate [http://verbaljam.com/archive/2003-10-07/de-kruiwagens-van-mabel]

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Yes we could use some help here eeh :)

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An unsourced website I looked at suggests that Roberta Hermina van der Helden born Duisburg was the daughter of Hendrik Cornelis van der Helden and wife Judig van Woerkom.

Hendrik Cornelis van der Helden was on my 'to do' list as a child of Fier van der Helden so if we can find sources to connect them it could fill part of her tree back to about 1644 (Jan Gerrits, my patrilineal 8th Great Grandfather)

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Now that would be really awesome ! Will try if I can find some sources

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Here's a Biesters genealogy Nachkommen von Heinrich (Hendrik) Biesters which might be interesting for you Rob...it has 

Jacob Biesters born 24-07-1755 in Neukirchen-vluym Rhineland, Prussia, son of Heinrich (Hendrik) Biesters and Catharina Appels. Jacob died 09-04-1814 in Heerewaarden, age 58. Jacob married, age 30 , on 02-07-1786 in Heerewaarden, Adriana Ton, age 20. Adriana was born 20-10-1765 in Heerewaarden, daughter of Hendrik Ton and Aaltje Telders. Adriana died 15-01-1830 in Heerewaarden, age 64 . They had eight children, one of them is son Johannes Biesters born 06-12-1793 he married first Elisabeth Moring , they had a son Jacobus Biesters  b. 25-09-1825 in Heerewaarden (which is your Jacobus Biesters) married to Adriana Sepers , also present here already eeh :) 

Or maybe this is the site you mentioned ...no sources here either .. but great to use as a lead...

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@ Rob He is a son of Fier van der Helden , see the marriage record :)

And here is his birth record Hendrik Cornelis van der Helden 

Geboorte Hendrik Cornelis van der Helden, 06-08-1883
Aktenummer:  26 Aktedatum:  07-08-1883
Akteplaats:  Heerewaarden (Maasdriel)
Kind: Hendrik Cornelis van der Helden
Moeder: Geertje van Toorn Vader: Fier van der Helden
Aktesoort: NormaalToegangsnummer:  0207 Burgerlijke stand Gelderland Inventarisnummer: 4258

And here the whole family including Roberta Hermina is mentioned in a familyregistration chart  

Roberta Hermina van der Helden, birth 10-05-1915
Voornaam:    Roberta Hermina
Tussenvoegsel:    van der
Achternaam:    Helden
Datum geboorte: 10-05-1915

Bevolkingsregister gemeente Heerewaarden
Gemeente:   Heerewaarden
Register:  Bevolkingsregister 1910-1920
Periode register:  1910-1920
Bladzijde:261 Toegangsnummer: 3150 Bevolkingsregisters van Bommelerwaardse gemeenten, 1810 - 1940 Inventarisnummer:   319 Vindplaats:  Regionaal Archief Rivierenland

Three children of which Roberta were born in Duisburg and the other children all were born in Rotterdam, I think it maybe was because of his occupation (saylor, skipper) some of the children were born in Germany ?

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I've built the profiles for Hendrik Cornelis van der Helden and Roberta Hermina van der Helden, and connected them to Hendrik Cornelis Los 

I was hoping to find a newspaper source for the marriage or death of Roberta Hermina and Martinus Los but the dates are not covered in any collection I could find so I instead cited one of the sites linked above - I also did not find a corresponding entry in the online begraafplaats

That connects me as 8th Cousin of Princess Mabel of Orange-Nassau. And extends one line of her ancestors back to the 17th century.

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Really great this worked out so quick and so well ! 

Now the Biesters : Death Jacob Biesters 2 April 1847, son of Jacob Biesters and Adriana Ton. He was married to Stijntje van Zijderveld.

And here's a second marriage of Adriana Ton, (If remember correct she was above Jacob's mother) and daughter of Hendrik Ton and Aaltje Telders , she was married to Jacob Biesters and remarries Arnoldus Velcke, (Son of Coenraad Velcke and Ann Elisabeth van Oss) in 23-04-1815 in Heerewaarden 

 

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Bea -I am a little lost on how the Biesters family and the record for Bartje Firant van Woerkom are connected to Mabel Wisse Smit. (or was that just incidental information you had run across?)

The van Woerkom line Mabel is descended from is , working up from 1st Great-Grandmother Judig > Gerrit > David > Jan > Aart

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Yes Rob it's information for one of your own Ton family lineages, so it's not about a connection to Mabel ;) 

Adriana Ton (first marriage Jacob Biesters) was the mother of the Johannes Biesters who married Elisabeth Moring these were the parents of your Jacob Biesters married to Adriana Sepers

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Added father for Hendrik Cornelis Los (Marinus Los as well now)

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Ik heb het voorgeslacht van Mabel op Wikipedia geplaatst: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabel_Wisse_Smit#Voorgeslacht

I have added the ancestry of Mabel to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Mabel_of_Orange-Nassau#Ancestry

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@Bea
Thanks for the info. I have not really started the descendants of Hendrik Ton yet as I'm still working through a number of other branches. Hendrik ' descendants will also likely include the most challenging research as some spread into parts of Zeeland where many records have not survived and also were among the earliest descendants of Jan Gerrits to emigrate to the U.S. which means digging through entirely different sources. Luckily I have some good leads on the early American branch of the family from a non-wikitree researcher.

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Bedankt Peter :) Van de Nederlandse Wikipedia heeft iemand het weer verwijdert helaas zo te zien, but on the English version we can find it ;)

Aah just noticed you have been busy and connected Marinus Los to his ancestors as well , great ! Will look for some sources for them , or do you have them already as well ?

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@Rob

In the April 4, 1942 edition of "De residentiebode" there is an item "Burgerlijke stand" listing the updates to the civil registers on April 2, 1942.

Under the heading Voorburg, Ondertrouwd: there is the notice of marriage of M. Los and R.H. van der Helden.

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Awesome Jan!

I had some free time today ... Including both the profiles I already had completed and the ones I created today, here is a list of sourced profiles of ancestors for Mabel Wisse Smit that I have worked on:

• Roberta Hermina van der Helden (Grandparent)
• Hendrik Cornelis van der Helden (1G-Grandparent)
• Judig van Woerkom (1G-Grandparent)
• Fier van der Helden (2G-Grandparent)
• Geertje van Toorn (2G-Grandparent)
• Gerrit van Woerkom (2G-Grandparent)
• Judig Steennis (2G-Grandparent)
• Robbert van der Helden (3G-Grandparent)
• Gerdina Udo (3G-Grandparent)
• Jan van Toorn (3G-Grandparent)
• Gozewina van Rozendaal (3G-Grandparent)
• David van Woerkum (3G-Grandparent)
• Hermijn van Brakel (3G-Grandparent)
• Gerrit Jan Steennis (3G-Grandparent)
• Judig Sondag (3G-Grandparent)
• Leendert van der Helden (4G-Grandparent)
• Emmetje Sepers (4G-Grandparent)
• Fier Udo (4G-Grandparent)
• Jenneke van Oorsouw (4G-Grandparent)
• Jan van Woerkom (4G-Grandparent)
• Robbertus Sepers (5G-Grandparent)
• Peternel Ton (5G-Grandparent)
• Jan Sepers (6G-Grandparent)
• Anneke Ton (6G-Grandparent)
• Hendrik Ton (6G-Grandparent)
• Ariaentje van Oort (6G-Grandparent)
• Dirck Jansen [Ton] (7G-Grandparent)
• Gerrit Jansen [Ton] (7G-Grandparent)
• Jan Gerrits (8G-Grandparent)

 

 

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That's a very impressive list Rob!

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Great work Rob! :D Way to go! :)

Thank you so much.

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Added some more 4G-Grandparents.

• Michiel van Toorn
• Hendrijntje van Ballegoijen
• Cornelis van Rozendaal
• Gosuina van Houselt
• Elisabet Ros
• Jurianus van Brakel
• Johanna Quivoij
• Gerrigje Steenis
• Jan Zondag
• Adriaantje van Zoelen

I also took a moment to look at the compact family tree and admire the amount of progress we have collectively made on this ancestry.  

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:D Just great what we can accomplish at such short term right?  Yeh!!!

 

Thank you Rob for your great addition too!

Proud!

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Could someone review the profile for Ariaantje Berents - AKA Adriaantje van Klodewijk - (a 5G-Grandparent) and make sure I have followed the Dutch Roots guidelines correctly and that my inferences, associations, and conclusions seem reasonable?

All the best!

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Super finding Jan , Have been looking everywhere for the marriage record or something like this even tried Delpher...so really happy you found it ..still our master sourcerer eeh :) 

Thanks for all the help and hard work everyone ! Holiday here so not as much time for Wikitree as I normally have, but it's wonderful and amazing to watch how many you all accomplished here ..so here's A HUGE THANK YOU !! 

And for me you all are ....

@ Peter if you add here what profiles you added and all these sources , it's a challenge so you can win a badge .

@ all participants, if you like it you can add the {{ Dutch Roots Challenge}} template to your own Bio ...it looks like this Dutch Roots Challenge Template

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@ Rob, Ariaantje Klodewijk really looks fine to me ! Thanks for the great help !

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"Bedankt Peter :) Van de Nederlandse Wikipedia heeft iemand het weer verwijdert helaas zo te zien, but on the English version we can find it ;)"

The familytree of Mable is also available in French (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabel_Wisse_Smit#Ascendance) and Spanish (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabel_de_Orange-Nassau#Ancestros)

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"@ Peter if you add here what profiles you added and all these sources , it's a challenge so you can win a badge ."

I am not adding profiles and sources to win a badge Bea :-) The challenge it self is enough.

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Well it's really appreciated Peter , with or without a badge or template, having fun and working together on this is also a very important part and goal of I guess all Wikitree challenges, it's a great way to get to know your fellow members a bit better ;)

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@Rob

Ariaantje Klodewijk:  Yes, seems reasonable, sound research and analysis! I could not find her marriage either...

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Thanks to your work Peter, I added a lot of family at the - van Woerkom -family. I hope that is okay with you :p Just a liitle stuck now on Th parents of Willem van Woerkom http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Van_Woerkom-26 His father is unknown and his mother Willemina van Woerkom born in Eethen (Noord-Brabant) in 1885 according to this https://www.genealogieonline.nl/stamboom-dullemen/I18041.php Checked even the churchbooks at Waalwijk. No luck so far. Or I must have missed something.

I also see a mother named Neeltje Pelt with a Johannes van Woerkom.... lets see if she is already at WikiTree.

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Hi Astrid, with the info from Stamboom Dullemen ("She died on July 23, 1856 in Dordrecht, she was 71 years old.") I have found these sources of her death and marriage:

• Huwelijk Jacob van Muijen en Willemina van Woerkom, 18-11-1814
• Overlijden Willemina van Woerkom, 23-07-1856

However, I am not 100% certain this is Willem's mother.

The birthcertificate of Willem should be in the Nationaal Archief (Den Haag, Burgerlijke Stand Dordrecht Geboorten, nummer toegang 3.049.01, inventarisnummer 1812). There are no scans available.

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Thank you Peter, thank you Rob.

@Peter: Yes I added that link of a possible marriage to the profile of Willemina I think. Not at the computer now but will check it out later. But it is the best we can get so far I think.

@Rob: Thank you Rob for taking time. And thank you for confirming I didn t miss any info at the document.

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I think it is reasonable to say Willemina the daughter Joannes van Woerkom and Neeltje Sels (I think Sels is a more faithful transcription than Pelt) is a strong candidate as Willem's mother - She definitely has ties to Dordrecht with one sister, Maria, married there in 1813 and another sister, Pieternella, dying there in 1820.

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I agree with Rob: Neeltje Sels, not Pelt.

Also found extract of Willemina's baptism (attachment to her marriage certificate):

"Netherlands, Zuid-Holland Province, Civil Registration, 1679-1942," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17533-59679-26?cc=1576401 : accessed 30 April 2016), Oud-Alblas > Huwelijksbijlagen 1812-1833 > image 98 of 678; Nationaal Archief, Den Haag (National Archives, The Hague).

And the actual registration of the baptism:

"Netherlands, Noord-Brabant, Church Records, 1473-1965," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-31043-3147-94?cc=2037960 : accessed 30 April 2016), Nederlands Hervormde > Eethen > Dopen 1726-1810 > image 18 of 32; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague).

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Willem van Woerkom birth certificate:

"Netherlands, Zuid-Holland Province, Civil Registration, 1679-1942," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12351-22664-50?cc=1576401 : accessed 30 April 2016), Dordrecht > Geboorten 1812-1813 > image 77 of 220; Nationaal Archief, Den Haag (National Archives, The Hague).

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Thank you both!!! Jan and on the Sels/Pelt thing. I see more evidence to Sels than to Pelt. Was just keeping the possibility open........ I already added the possible marriage to  Willemina's profile. And I see now Peter added :) more possible marriages. :D Just great!

I tried to find Willemina's birthcertificate but no success so far......... :/

@Jan I already had the birth certificate of Willem.But thank you lots!  Rob and Bea read it to see if there was more info of Willemina in it as my French is below zero. No luck. But thank you for adding it here!

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I believe this will be my last additions prior to the end time of 1200 GMT: All are 5G-Grandparents

• Ege van Houselt
• Aaltje Rits
• Arie Sondag
• Maria Gerritsen

The profile for Maria Gerritsen probably needs a fresh set of eyes to go through the records looking for clues...

All the best everyone... and great job!

Answer 5

Oh, genoeg te doen nog. Ik begin bij de moeder van Mabel:

1. Bron voor [Kooman-10] http://genealogie.voorouder.nl/getperson.php?personID=I263943&tree=voorouders  Bevolkingsreconstructie en genealogisch onderzoek in de omstreken van Rotterdam, als ik op de trusted list wordt toegelaten...

2. New profile [Kooman-11] for father of Kooman-10.

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@ Super Be ! Leuke dag gehad ? Viel reuze mee met 't weer nog he, als 't zonnetje er door kwam was 't prima vol te houden :D

@ Jan bedankt ! Heb me wezenloos gezocht naar ook maar iets over het huwelijk van Martinus en Roberta ..ook bij Delpher nog , knappe vondst hoor !

@ Peter heeft ook een hele lijn toegevoegd inclusief bronnen zag ik net , bedankt jij dus ook Peter !

@ Rob thanks for getting us started so well !

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Koningsdiner dus niet uit de hand gelopen? ;-) heb privacy instellingen kunnen veranderen door death date toe te voegen en je manager gemaakt evenals Dutch Roots en Bea hier en  daar.

Fantastisch dat iedereen zo enthousiast aan t werk is! En de familie Los gaat al terug tot 1700 nu zag ik door dat ze connect konden worden! Evenals de van der Heldens, dankzij onze Heerewaarden specialist! Geweldig!

Fantastisch werk allemaal

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Het was een mooie konngsdag, maar echt helder was ik niet toen ik Kooman-11 in elkaar zette zonder op de privacy instelling te letten. Nu kan ik aan de slag met alle toevoegingen. Inmiddels is Kooman-11 Open.

Ever verder met de challenge

3. [Van_Nijenhof-1]: 4* great grandfather of Mabel

4. [Van_de_Pol-58]: spouse of Van Nijenhof, born out of wedlock...

5. [Jacobs-5604]: an other 4* great grandfather of Mabel

6. [Jansen-1857]: and his spouse.

7. [Jacobs_van_den_Hof-1]: their daughter

8. Grandmother of Laurentien [Hoolboom-1]: source for birth

9. [Hoolboom-2]: her father

10. [Hofman-607]: and spouse.

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"@ Peter heeft ook een hele lijn toegevoegd inclusief bronnen zag ik net , bedankt jij dus ook Peter !"

Bea, deze lijn komt uit Vorsten van september 2003, en de bronnen voornamelijk van Wiewaswie. Hier was weinig onderzoek voor nodig, maar even goed: graag gedaan.

Answer 6

Woet! Woet!! This was all empty! :D http://prntscr.com/ay1tsw   

This makes me happy! :)

Way to go!

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Really awesome eeh , happy here as well ! Thanks for coming up with this great  Astrid !!

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Oh just all having fun is thank you enough Bea! But THANK YOU! :)

Answer 7

Wish I just could read this word after Eerste -something- of the burgomaster/Mayor of Ter Aar. First what??? :D http://prntscr.com/ayhpmf  (original: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS7W-K2Q?mode=g&i=9&wc=9PNR-S5Z%3A115501401%2C115758101%3Fcc%3D1576401&cc=1576401 Just beneath the middle of the left page). 

Next coming lol having trouble on reading French birthcertificate of Willem van Woerkom..............Well not so much just not sure I m missing details. 

Netherlands, Zuid-Holland...l Registration, 1679-1942 Dordrecht Geboorten 1812-1813 Image 77 of 220 document 282 right page [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6LLR-7X?mode=g&i=76&wc=9PGF-82S%3A108149601%2C108143602%3Fcc%3D1576401&cc=1576401]. I can read most. 

I'm just curious if there is any info on the birthplace and year of Willemina there or of parents. (I don t expect. Just asking.......... )

 

I have another puzzle on the eldest "Prillevitz" too, I might need some help on, but will look into that more before sharing :P Looks there are some with same name at the same time.......... not sure yet. 

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1. Assessor?

2. Willemina is given as 24 years old (âgée de vingt quatre ans) for a calculated birth year of about 1788. I don't see a place of birth mentioned, just what appears to be her residence.

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I think Rob might be right ..just reading some stuff and here they mention : 

De burgemeester en assessor (= ‘wethouder’)

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@Bea Yes I read somewhere burgemeester en zijn eerste assistent/first assistant. So I tried to see that in the word but I can t :) But now you all think the same we keep it to that. Father of Willem s wife was first assitant of the Burgomaster of Ter Aar. :D

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Willemina was baptized in Eethen (1785):

"Netherlands, Noord-Brabant, Church Records, 1473-1965," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-31043-3147-94?cc=2037960 : accessed 30 April 2016), Nederlands Hervormde > Eethen > Dopen 1726-1810 > image 18 of 32; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague).

See my answer above (this thread is getting overloaded with info...)

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OMG Jan!!!!!! I ve been searching for that a long time last nigth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know you will not like it but I AM gonna kiss you for that!  0:-)

 

How you got to the churchbooks of Eethen.................. Grrrr

Eethen Noord-Brabant???????????????/

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In addition to the FamilySearch images Jan linked to you can also find digitized copies - and a search engine at www.salha.nl

 

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Oh Rob.............. what is that.............. looking into that right now............... Looks great. Give me time to check it out more as I m into Willemina's profile and the leads given here and on the profile by Peter and link(s) of Jan. :D Thank you all sooooooooo much! Luv you all! for looking into and helping.

Besides we have a Willemina van Woerkom daughter of a Joannes or Johannes/Johannis van Woerkom and Neeltje Sels We all like to think Willemina got on the right trail and ;-) married in 1814, after giving birth to Willem without father in 1812, married in 1814 to Jacob van Muijen. I tend to believe.

 

@ Jan and Rob that site looks great didn t know it........ Thank you for sharing! I searced an no access to Eethen so searched places around! Thank you thank you! Curtsy!

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@Astrid

Eethen? World famous in Eethen, Genderen, and Heesbeen :-).

Found the name in extract of baptism (huwelijksbijlage). Then searched thru "Overzicht plaatsnamen" (homepage zoekakten.nl) and found films.

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@ Jan haha Right! The cosmopolitan Eethen. I searched the baptism books all around Eethen lol Thank you for finding!