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Amy (French) Gage (abt. 1612 - 1658)

Amy "Amee" Gage formerly French
Born about in Suffolk, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Wife of — married 1638 in Ipswich, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
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Died at about age 46 in Ipswich, Essex, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
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Update to Origins

In sworn court testimony of 1669, one of Henry Kingsbury's sons called John Gage his "unkle Gage" in 1665.[1][2] Separately, in 1672 sworn testimony, John Gage called Thomas Howlett, "my brother Howlet."[3][4]

A 2021 article[5] by Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, argues that John Gage considered Thomas Howlett his brother because they had married sisters, otherwise Amy/Amee (French) Gage and Alice (French) Howlett. Further, that Henry Kingsbury's son was the nephew of John Gage because Henry, too had married a French sister, Susan (French) Kingsbury.

Amee/Amy, Alice and Susan French were probably the daughters of Thomas French and his wife, Susanna Riddlesdale. See Research Notes.

Biography

Amy (French) Gage immigrated to New England as a child during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).

Amee/Amy French was born, probably at or near Assington, Suffolk, England, about 1612. No record of her birth or baptism has been found; she is otherwise shown to be the daughter of Thomas French and his wife, Susanna Riddlesdale.[6] (See Research Notes--Birth and Parentage.)

Thomas French was a farmer at Assington.[7] The family "lived near Groton, Suffolk, the Winthrop family seat."[8][9][10]

Immigration

By 1636, Amy French had immigrated to Massachusetts Bay Colony and was residing Ipswich.[11] ​She possibly arrived in 1633 and was the unidentified "goodman Frenches" daughter sent to serve the Winthrop family. (See Research Notes--Which sister immigrated with Dorcas?")

At Massachusetts Bay Colony

Amy French married, probably Ipswich, by about 1638 (birth of child), John Gage of Ipswich. John was born, perhaps Suffolk, England, between 1604 and 1609.[12][13][14]

She died at Ipswich, June 1658.[15][16][17]

Family

John and Amy (French) Gage were the parents of at least six children,

  1. Samuel Gage, born say 1638 (he was age at least 14 in 1656);[18] married in Bradford 10 June 1674 Faith Stickney.
  2. Daniel Gage, born about 1639 (he was age about 30 in 1669); married in Bradford 3 May 1675, Sarah Kimball.
  3. Benjamin Gage, born say 1641; married (1) Andover 16 February 1663/4, Mary Keyes (his stepsister), who died at Rowley Village, 20 December 1668; he married (2) in "Merimack" (Bradford), 11 October 1671, Prudence Lever.
  4. Jonathan Gage, born say 1643; married in Andover, 12 November 1667, Hester Chandler.
  5. Nathaniel Gage, born about 1645; married by 1696, Mary _____. (Anderson notes in 1995, "She is said to be Mary (Weeks) Green, widow of Thomas Green of Malden, but the evidence is not seen.")
  6. Josiah Gage. born say 1648 (about 21 on 31 March 1669); married (1) "Rowley Village by Merrimake," 15 May 1669 Lydia Ladd; married (2) Haverhill, 17 May 1697, Martha Dow.

Research Notes

Birth and Parentage. A recent NEHGR (Spring 2021) article makes the case that Amy, wife of John Gage, was an additional daughter of Thomas French and Susan Riddlesdale, showing her birth between 1611-1613 when there was a gap in the baptism records,[19] (See the source for more details)

"That Susan (French) Kingsbury's son called John Gage "uncle" in 1665... and John Gage called Alice (French) Howlett's husband "brother" in 1672 ... compounds the likelihood that Thomas and Susan French had a daughter Amy whose baptism was not recorded in Assington."

Previously, Torrey's extensive review of materials published before 1965 concerning the wives of the potentially interrelated John Gage, Henry Kingsbury and Thomas Howlett found:

A previous version of this profile reported "Find a Grave states that her birth date is in 1605, but this is unlikely because it would mean that her last child was born when she was about 45." FindAGrave has since been updated, see "Amy 'Amee' Gage," memorial# 115817861; Find A Grave.

Without further reference, a previous version of this profile reported Amy _____ , the wife of John Gage, was born in England sometime between about 1608 and 1618

Gage-Wilford association. John Gage's wife is sometimes reported as "Amy Wilford." Torrey's extensive review of published materials concerning the wife of John Gage found she might have been Amy/Amee [?Wilford] or Amy/Amee [?Kingsbury].[23] The 2021 authors, Byrne and Hardy, address this by explaining that in 1717, Josiah Gage had died without issue. Josiah's will made a bequest to his "cousin Whittaker," reported the "twice widowed Mary (Wilford) (Corliss) Whittaker, daughter of Gilbert Wilford and Mary Dow."[24] In 2021, authors Byrne and Hardy report Josiah Gage had married, as his last wife, Mary Dow's sister, "Martha (Dow) (Heath) (Page) Parker.[25]

Possibly related to the entry in Torrey (New England Marriages to 1700) a previous version of this profile contained note, "Nothing has been found to support the surname Wilford, d/o Humphrey Wilford."

Which sister immigrated with Dorcas? A letter written by Thomas Gostlin, from Groton, 11 June 1633, to his nephew,[26] John Winthrop, Jr., refers to two of "goodman Frenches daughters" who had been enlisted to serve Gov. Winthrop and his son, John Winthrop, Jr. [27]

...she is one of the goodman Frenches daughters of Assington I haue sent 2 of them one for your father and the other for you your father must take his choyce the eldest must sarve for 3 yeers, and the yongest 4 they stand to your curtesy wither you will fine them or giue them wages. I praye let them be delt as well withall as any of the same quallity ...
One of the daughters referred to is Dorcas French, "maid servant to our brother John Winthropp the Elder"; Dorcas was admitted at Boston First Church, 10 August 1634.[28] Records that might identify the other French daughter have not been found.
Thomas and Susan's two eldest children (Thomas, Jr. and Alice) migrated in 1632,[29] Dorcas, baptized 1614, was thought to be the third eldest, with Susan the fourth (1616)--so many, including Anderson,[30] have thought she (Susan) was the daughter who accompanied Dorcas. In their recent article, however, Byrnes and Hardy include Amy (French) Gage in this family as born "ca. 1612," thus the third eldest, for whom there is no baptismal record. They suggest the pair sent to serve the Winthrops may have been Amy and Dorcas.[31]

Death and Burial. (a) Citing "Town and City Clerks of Massachusetts. Massachusetts Vital and Town Records. Provo, UT: Holbrook Research Institute (Jay and Delene Holbrook)" a previous version of this profile reported Amy died "9 June 1658 in Ipswich, Essex, Massachusetts." A 2021 search of that particular Ancestry database returned a death date of "June 1658." (b) Without further reference, a previous version of this profile also reported her death as "15 June 1658" at Ipswich. (c) : Find a Grave reports her burial at Highland Cemetery, Ipswich, but no source is given for this burial plot and no gravestone image is shown.[32]

Unsubstantiated daughter "Mary." This profile previously reported a daughter "Mary Gage" said born Ipswich, 1650. Mary's profile refers to an Ancestry profile (presumed "Ancestry Public Trees") and "FindAGrave." (As to the latter, see "Mary Gage" memorial 153807614; FindAGrave. From the change log, it appears Mary has been associated as daughter of John Gage and wife Amy since 2011. In his 1995 review of John Gage, Robert Charles Anderson reported no such child.[33] With appropriate comments, the association of Mary Gage and parents John and Amy Gage should be severed.

Sources

  1. ↑ Citing "Depositions Essex Court Papers. Vol. 14, pp. 46, 47," Arthur E. Gage, "Kingsbury and Gage," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 54 (1900):260; digital image, InternetArchive.
  2. ↑ George Francis Dow, Records and files of quarterly courts of Essex County, Massachusetts, 9 vols. (1911-1975), 4:117n, for deposition Alexander Session, (sworn 27 :1 : 1669) in "Mr. Symon Bradstreet v. John Gage"; digital images Hathi Trust.
  3. ↑ Citing ''Records and Files of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County, Massachusetts, 9 vols, (Salem, Mass.: Essex Institute, 1911-1989), 5:85, John Gage deposition sworn 1672," Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 111; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  4. ↑ George Francis Dow, Records and files of quarterly courts of Essex County, Massachusetts, 9 vols. (1911-1975), 5:85n; digital image, Hathi Trust.
  5. ↑ Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 110-112; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  6. ↑ Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 118; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  7. ↑ John William Linzee, The History of Peter Parker and Sarah Ruggles ... (Boston, Mass.: Priv. Print. [S. Usher], 1913), 416; digital image, Hathi Trust.
  8. ↑ Quoted from, Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 106; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  9. ↑ In the will of John Gurton of Assington, dated 6 December 1621, proved 10 October 1623, he makes a bequest of "all my lease or farm lands tythes &c. in Assington ... the messuage or farm house where in one Thomas French doth now inhabit, called Garland's ..." citing "Water's Gen. Glean. in England: 954-5," John William Linzee, The History of Peter Parker and Sarah Ruggles ... (Boston, Mass.: Priv. Print. [S. Usher], 1913), 416; digital image, Hathi Trust.
  10. ↑ Citing "Swann 99" for the Will of John Gurdon of Assington ... 6 December 1621, proved 10 October 1623, Henry F. Waters, Genealogical gleanings in England (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1901), 2 vols., 2:954-5; digital images, Hathi Trust.
  11. ↑ Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 106; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  12. ↑ Citing (a) "Essex Quarterly Court, WPA transcript, September Term, 1659 5-19-4, Denison v Symonds-Land-Ipswich; clerk Robert Lord's minutes," for "John Gage deposed aged about fifty years" and (b) Records and Files of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County, Massachusetts, 9 vols, (Salem, Mass.: Essex Institute, 1911-1989), 2:365" for in 1662, "John Gage deposed aged about fifty-eight years," and (c) "Melinde Lutz Sanborn, Ages from the Court Records, 1636-1700 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2003), 83," Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 110; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  13. ↑ Melinde Lutz Sanborn, Ages from Court Records (Baltimore, Md.: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2003), multiple vols., 1:83; reports "John Gage" deposed in 1659, then age 50 (citing "EQC 2:169"); in 1662, age 58 (citing "EQC 2:365"); digital images, Ancestry Sharing Link.
  14. ↑ Citing "EQC 2:169" and EQC 2:365," John Gage born "about 1605" Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III (1995), 3 vols., 2:719-722 (John Gage), in particular, p. 721; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  15. ↑ Amy Gage 1658 death entry, citing "Ct. R [court record, Essex Co. Quarterly Court.]," Vital Records of Ipswich, Massachusetts, to the end of the year 1859 (Salem, Mass.: The Essex Institute, 1910-1919), 3 vols., 2:563 (Gage); digital image, Hathi Trust.
  16. ↑ Amy Gage 1658 death entry, "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001 (FHL film 00701024); digital image, FamilySearch; from img 1 of 181, "Record of Births, Publishments, Marriages and Deaths ... Ipswich ... collected from the Essex County Records from 1635 to 1687. and also from the Church and Parish Records ... copied ... by Nathaniel R. Farley 1889."
  17. ↑ Citing "Ipswich Deeds, 1:134, Gage to Rolfe, 21 February 1653/4," Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 118; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  18. ↑ Writing that Samuel was "at least fourteen in 1656 when he deposed about a fence," citing EQC 1:416," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III (1995), 3 vols., 2:719-722 (John Gage), in particular, p. 721; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  19. ↑ Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands: Three Unrecorded Marriages from Early Ipswich, Massachusetts, Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," in New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 125 (Spring 2021): 104-119; especially p 110-111.
  20. ↑ Gage-[?Wilford/?Kingsbury] marriage, New England Marriages to 1700 (Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015), multiple vols., 1:593; digital image by subscription, AmericanAncestors; works consulted are "Moore Anc. 338; Rowley MA Fam. 119; Gage (1908) 3; Kingsbury 89, 185; Parker (,9) 32; Cushing (ms) 182; Gen Mag. 2:4; Reg. 54:260, 62:254."
  21. ↑ Kingsbury-[Gage?] marriage, New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015), multiple vols., 2:898; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors; works consulted as "Reg. 13:157, 54:260, 106:144 [106 (1952) at AmericanAncestors]; Granberry 265; Windsor CT 2:427 [426-427]; Ipswich Ant. Papers 97; Kingsbury (,1) 88-9 [85-89]; Gage (1908) 3; Ruggles 40 [see Franklin Ladd Bailey, Genealogy of Thomas Ruggles of Roxbury ... (1896), 40]; Winchester (1912) [144]."
  22. ↑ Howlett-[French] marriage, New England Marriages to 1700 (Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015), multiple vols., 2:804; digital image by subscription, AmericanAncestors; works consulted as "McIntire Anc. 274, 278; Wildes Anc. 53, 64; Reg. 47:362; Granberry 219-220, 236; EIHC 1:51; Coxe Anc. (1915) 41, 47; Putnam's Mag. 6:1/."
  23. ↑ Gage-[?Wilford/?Kingsbury] marriage, New England Marriages to 1700 (Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015), multiple vols., 1:593; digital image by subscription, AmericanAncestors; works consulted are "Moore Anc. 338; Rowley MA Fam. 119; Gage (1908) 3; Kingsbury 89, 185; Parker (,9) 32; Cushing (ms) 182; Gen Mag. 2:4; Reg. 54:260, 62:254."
  24. ↑ Quoted from, citing, "Essex County Probate, File 10488, Josiah Gage, testate, 17 October 1717," Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 111; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  25. ↑ Without further reference, Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 111; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  26. ↑ Thomas Gostlin was married to Jane Winthrop, the sister of Gov. John Winthrop, see Jane Winthrop in "Latin Pedigree, 1498-1625," Joseph James Muskett, Evidences of the Winthrops of Groton ([Boston]: Priv. print., 1894-96), 6; digital images, Hathi Trust.
  27. ↑ Gostlin to Winthrop, Jr., letter dated Groton, 11 June 1633, Winthrop Papers: Volume III (1631-1637) ([Boston]: The Massachusetts Historical Society, 1943), p. 124-125; digital images, Hathi Trust.
  28. ↑ As quoted by, citing "Pierce, Records of the First Church of Boston [1961], 2," Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, p. 107-108; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  29. ↑ Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995), pp. 703-705 (Thomas French article), in particular, 703, 705; digital image by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  30. ↑ Writing, "Dorcas and Susan came in 1633," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995), pp 703-705 (Thomas French article), in particular, 705; digital image by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  31. ↑ Melinde Lutz Byrne and John Edward Hardy, "Three French Daughters and Their Husbands ... Amy (French) Gage, Susan (French) Kingsbury, and Anne (French) Hardy," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 175 (2021):105-119, in particular, pp.108, 112, 118; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  32. ↑ "Amy 'Amee' Gage," memorial# 115817861; Find A Grave.
  33. ↑ Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III (1995), 3 vols., 2:719-722 (John Gage); digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
See also--
  • Arthur E. Gage, "Kingsbury and Gage," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 54 (1900):260; digital image, InternetArchive.
  • Clyde V. Gage, John Gage (1604-1673) of Ipswich, Mass. ... (Worcester, NY: [author ?], 1963), 3; digital images, FamilySearchBooks; for supplements see FamilySearchCatalog.




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Miller-64662 Julie (Miller) Stewart
If there is no proof that this is the woman that John Gage married then it does not make sense to make her his wife, let alone the mother of his children. If it turns out to be true, DNA will pop up sooner or later but until then this connection serves as a barrier to discovering the “absolute” truth.
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M Cole
Hi Julie,

I've set the radial buttons for the parents as uncertain, so that anyone looking to evaluate DNA matches will see that in the connections/tree. It's unusual to have valid matches with atDNA this far back unless it's along a y-line, but this might be an excellent case study for mtDNA.

I sent you a pm offering to send a copy of the 2021 article that the identification is based on. The NEHGR editorial intro refers to Lutz and Hardy's arguments as "strong." We've only summarized the key piece of evidence here (the references to "uncle" and "brother"), but the research they present also goes into how both the French family and these men were associated with Winthrop and were part of a small group of early settlers of Ipswich. They also show that the names of this group of interrelated families are also seen in the area where Winthrop came from, and that there are records of intermarriage suggesting that these families may have associations in England as well.

The PGM Project doesn't require absolute proof for connecting parents. There is often at least some uncertainty in these parental proofs, but we try to follow the most recent research. And when an article in a reliable journal presents a strong case for the most likely solution to a puzzle like this, we believe adding those connections to the tree is helpful.

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GeneJ X
Have added the comment below to the unsourced profile of Mary Gage (1650-).--Gene
Added a disputed associations section. Is it time to sever this Mary as the child of John and Amy (French) Gage?
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GeneJ X
Given the recent profile comments, shall we mark her parents as "uncertain?"--Gene
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Cochoit-2 Joe Cochoit
I wouldn't. The evidence in the article is very good and much stronger than many used to establish the English origins of immigrants. The word probable is used because they don't have an actual baptismal record. However, the overall weight of the evidence makes it highly probable to the point where we should just go with the identification made in the NEHGR article.
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GeneJ X
Profile has been updated, though more events could be added.

Are there any objections to (a) changing Amy's LNAB to French and (b) attaching her as the daughter of Thomas French and Susanna Riddlesdale? (Susanna is PPP.)

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Stevens-17832 Jen (Stevens) Hutton
I've removed Susanna's protection; let me know when you are finished and I'll replace it.
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GeneJ X
Thank you Jen.

Done.

Happy Dance. One "unknown" no more, a zillion more to go.

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Stevens-17832 Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Great job, Gene! PPP back in place.
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Doug McAdams
Has this been confirmed? In the NEHGR article, I thought it stated that her parentage was "probably" Thomas French and Susanna Riddlesdale [sic] (note that the name was Riddlesdale). I found a potential alternative in the "London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, in Ancestry.com online database of Londnon marraiges. Specifically in the marriages of St Pancras, Soper Lane, John Gage, Gent of St. Giles Crippelgate married "widow new married" Amy Unwon of St. Giles Crippelgate on 25 January 1625.

Any opinions?

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GeneJ X
Hi Anon,

I will check for the typographical error. Thank you.

The article includes a proof argument; it concludes with a genealogical summary (pages 117-119), reporting Amy French as the first wife of John Gage, and Susan French as the wife of Henry Kingsbury, etc.

The French connections do seem today's best solution to the question of how Susan Kingsbury's son was John Gage's nephew, and why John Gage called Thomas Howlett, "my brother ..."

Still, as with all genealogical information, these findings are subject to review based on the improved discovery of historical records and reasoning.

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Miller-64662 Julie (Miller) Stewart
Yes, I object, as there is no actual record or evidence of there ever being an Amy French as a contemporary of these folks. Also, I’m pretty sure I saw a reference to the Keyes marriage regarding brother/uncle thing? There is a pretty convincing family history of the French family: http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/CHARTSWEB/ChartE001.htm#_Fourth_Generation
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GeneJ X
Hi Julie (Miller) Stewart,

Thank you.

If there are enough historical records to warrant a proof regarding the "Keyes" marriage, perhaps develop that information into a G2G. I've had good luck in the past soliciting input assistance of others in that forum. --Gene

Edited to add: See also Henry Kingsbury in recent NEHGR article--French-Gage-Kingsbury-Hardy.

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Brad Stauf
Julie, you are right that there is no baptismal record for Amy and no primary sources that prove her last name at birth. As the 2021 NEHGR article cited here points out, the Assington parish registers are missing for 1611-1613 which would be when Amy was born. At the French Family Association website, that would put Amy (if she was of this family) between the 1610 and 1614 births of Alice & Dorcas.

The evidence for her being a sister of Alice and Susan French is stated in the profile, it is based on Kingbury Howlett and Gage people referring to each other as family members which is most simply explained by Amy being a French sister.

So the effort here is to find adequate support for her most likely name, with plenty of text in the bio explaining that it is not 100% proven and explaining the data and analysis leading to "French". In the end it's a judgment call as to whether to have her as Amy French or Amy Unknown.

Having said that, while it is accurate to say there is no "record" of her being Amy French I don't think it's accurate to say there is no "evidence" of her being a French sister, unfortunately it is circumstantial (interpretation of testimony of Kingsbury & Gage along with an otherwise unaccounted-for French sister sent to the Winthrop household) and not primary/direct evidence. A lot of England-to-New England connections unfortunately rely on similar circumstantial evidence and interpretation of wills, letters to family members etc.

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Miller-64662 Julie (Miller) Stewart
Notwithstanding the imagined correlation of non-recorded, undocumented individual, It’s too unsubstantiated to see Amy’s last name changed across the board because of a thesis — a non-proven one. I would rather it remain a mystery than to get it wrong, especially given her husband’s creation story on this site. My hang-up comes from (i) a reference to a heretofore unknown person who is “proved” in a citation that I can’t access without forking it over; and (ii) where are the genealogical records? Certainly a family as prolific as John Gage’s would be referenced in the abundant French family histories?
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GeneJ X
Hi Julie,

Thank you for supporting WikiTree.

I'll do my very best to see that we have details in the citations to the published article/proof to notice any/all of the underlying historical records. Many or most of those underlying records are probably accessible to those who do not have subscriptions to AmericanAncestors. --Gene.

Edited to add: See also Henry Kingsbury in recent NEHGR article--French-Gage-Kingsbury-Hardy.

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GeneJ X
Hi Julie,

I'm not finding a host of missing underlying references. I spotted but one--reference to the French family (except Dorcas) at Ipswich by 1636.

Might you point to any underlying reference you found to be lacking? --Gene

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GeneJ X
Hi Julie,

Thank you again for supporting WikiTree.

Of John Gage's profile you wrote, "especially given her husband’s creation story on this site ..."

From your 4 February 2022 comment, you believe the immigrant John Gage may have descended in some way from Sir John Gage Bt (1589-1633).

Perhaps create a free-space page on to which you gather your various research items and notes.The page could be linked in Research Notes to both profiles (Sir John and PGM John Gage) and form the basis of any number of G2G postings. Such effort might solicit input from The English Project, co-managers of Sir John's profile.

My apologies if I have misinterpreted your comments. --Gene

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Headley-803 M.r. (Headley) Brosz
Hi Gene,

Thank you very much. Maggie Brosz

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Headley-803 M.r. (Headley) Brosz
Thank you. I just received my issue. Will any of this be included in the tree profile?
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GeneJ X
Unless someone objects, I will update this biography to incorporate the finding from Spring 2021 NEHGR article by Byrne and Hardy, "Three French Daughters ... "

(Have already updated the profile of her sister, Susan French. Hope to work on Amy/Amee while the sources are fresh.)

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Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
New research published in NEHGR's Spring 2021 issue has come up with a strong set of clues to prove her parentage/origins. I've added a note in the narrative. Please take a look.
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Headley-803 M.r. (Headley) Brosz
From looking at Familysearch.org, maiden name appears to be Wilford. One citation is the Millennium Project. MR Headley (Maggie Brosz)

I looked again at Family Search. The Latter Day Saints list her as Wilford. I have removed Wilford from other last names. Thank you for your input.

posted on Unknown-490343 (merged) by M.r. (Headley) Brosz
edited by M.r. (Headley) Brosz
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Where on familysearch? What type of record? As the narrative here explains, no reliable source has been found to support the Wilford maiden name.

If you mean Millennium File, please be warned about it. It is a very unreliable "source" -- a compilation of unsourced family trees and other pedigrees.

posted on Unknown-490343 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Chris Hoyt
She should be just Amy (___) unknown parents, origins.
posted on Unknown-490343 (merged) by Chris Hoyt
Madison-125 Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Wife Amy's supposed father is also unproven to have existed in Mass. Bay Colony from what I can find.
posted on Unknown-490343 (merged) by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Chris Hoyt
Is there a source for the LNAB Wilford, her dob and John's dob . Anderson lists her as unknown. GM: 1 to 3: p. 721

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/great-migration-begins-immigrants-to-ne-1620-1633-vols-i-iii/image?volumeId=12107&pageName=721&rId=1415513182

posted on Unknown-490343 (merged) by Chris Hoyt
Chadwick-1021 Henry Chadwick
Wilford-77 and Wilford-42 appear to represent the same person because: Both married to the same man.
posted on Unknown-490343 (merged) by Henry Chadwick

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