Doug Laidlaw
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Doug Laidlaw

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Doug J. Laidlaw
Born 1940s.
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Brother of and [private sister (1940s - unknown)]
Father of [private daughter (1970s - unknown)], [private daughter (1970s - unknown)] and [private daughter (1980s - unknown)]
Profile last modified | Created 7 Jan 2014 | Last significant change: 23 May 2022
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The Laidlaws are an accepted sept of Clan Scott. The Australian Clan Scott Association went defunct, and the current one is not very active (their Secretary died in Feb 2021,) but I have been accepted for membership.

Biography

[NOTE: I am starting to re-write this profile, but major depression hampers most of my activities.]

I was born in Richmond, Victoria in 1943, married 50 years in October 2021, with 3 married daughters. I was a first baby, and a breech birth resulted in neurological deficiencies. As well, I inherited major depression from my Boykett ancestors, (descended from [Boykett-4].) Depression makes me feel "different," like a child looking in a shop window, even in my primary school days. Many people with depression sit around waiting for a cure. Since my illness was genetic, I treat it like a disability. The Paralympics show what disabled people can achieve. At almost 80, I am becoming steadily more confused and forgetful. If anything looks wrong, please speak up.

I didn't expect to marry. I was sent to a boys-only private school, and I regarded girls as almost alien. But I got tired of asking at every function for an unattached girl to be my partner. For my sister's proposed wedding, I decided to bring along a partner of my choice. My sister's wedding was cancelled, but I wasn't so lucky. Immediately, every woman I knew saw us as a couple, so here I am. Like Henry Higgins, "I was serenely independent and content before we met; Surely I could be that way again --and yet" neither he nor I could argue with the march of time. Forget about achieving anything; just marry. Either way, you lose.

'John Bernie (living) is my wife's first cousin. Initially, genealogically speaking, his mother was my gateway to the world outside Australia. Now I have several closer relatives of my own as links.

At about age 8, moved to Geelong, Vic. with my family. Sent to Geelong College, where I was Dux of the College and a school house captain in 1961, my final year. Was accepted by Melbourne University Law School, obtained a Bachelor of Laws degree, and in due course, was admitted to practice as a legal practitioner.

Depression kills motivation. As a result I "ran out of steam" quickly, and stayed in one job for about 5 years., but I kept finding a new job. That and the fact that my wife stayed beside me have been blessings. (Revised to here.)

Research Notes

I seem to have added as many as possible from my own trees. Many were created by others, when the site's requirements were different. I need to revise as many trees as possible.

There are "Golden Rules" of genealogy. There are many sets available by a Web search. I still use the 10 Rules published every month in Australian Family Tree Connections (now defunct.)

The fundamental rule is: "Never accept another genealogist's work implicitly." Any genuine researcher will thank you for alternative info, with evidence to support it. Ancestry.com will give you the results with the largest "copy and paste" brigade, regardless of accuracy. familysearch.org has records, which are reliable, and family trees, which are contributed and not verified. The latter are no more reliable than trees found elsewhere. Euclid told the King of Syracuse that there is no "royal road" to geometry. The same is true of genealogy.

Another Rule is "Never believe everything in a BDM certificate." They are not certified as accurate. Some of the people mentioned were unable to write. Birth and death information is only the best belief of the informant. Even in a court of law, certificates are only "evidence," alongside other evidence.

To believe, either (a) that there is no country in the world besides the USA; or (b) that connections can be established within 100 degrees between all the people in the world, many of whom don't speak English, and many of whom have no or inadequate documentation; or even (c) that the population is not in a constant state of flux is no more than an American fantasy.

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I was born in Aberdeen, Scotland, in 1943. It must have been a good year, Doug!
posted by Bruce Laidlaw
Hi Doug,

The Australia Project leadership team are carrying out our annual check-in to see how you are going in the project. We'd really like to thank you for all your work on Australian profiles over the past year! We think we've made great progress in 2020/21 with your assistance.

Please could you reply to this message, to let us know if you would like to stay on in the project and if you are happy with your current role and team involvement. If you would like to do something additional or different, take a look on the Australia Project page to see what other options there are.

It would also be great to get any feedback or suggestions that you have to improve the project.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind Regards

Margaret Haining Membership Coordinator

Yes, Margaret, I am still active. I should have chosen Victoria as my State of interest, but Victoria seemed to have plenty of members, so I chose South Australia. I have no real suggestions, except to agree with you that the Australia Project has made great progress. I really appreciate what you and your team have achieved.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
Hi Doug, if you would like to change from South Australia to Victoria team that's fine, let me know.

Regards, Margaret

Heya, Doug -- do we know if "my" Laidlaw people are related to your Laidlaw folk? (I can't remember if you were the one who commented regards Michael aka Mitchell Laidlaw (after I created a profile for his daughter Agnes Hunter (Laidlaw) Patterson - or if that was someone else.)
posted by Melanie Paul
I am not sure, Melanie. The link would have to be outside Victoria. Top of my Victorian Laidlaws is William Laidlaw (abt.1844-1920). I had assumed he was descended from the miller, but that disagreed with family tradition - and the evidence. Eventually, Ancestry.com found his mother. All that I can confirm so far is on his profile. Your Agnes is from a different county.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
Some of them did settle in Victoria. I just haven't followed all of them yet, in Aus or in Scotland. It's not a name I come across often, so it piqued my interest.  :)
posted by Melanie Paul
You were right about not having many Laidlaws: I couldn't find any linked to your profile. If there is one you would like followed up, please let me have a starting person.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
You won't find them linked to me, except as in-laws. My brother's wife's family has the Laidlaw line I was researching. (I was adding her family as a joint effort with my brother, because they are his daughter's ancestors.) I'll probably get back to working on that, once the sibling sticks around for more than a single email.

I'll let you know if there's anyone on the list I need help with -- once I get back to them instead of "my" Turner family. Thanks so much for the offer!  :)

posted by Melanie Paul
I was rather startled to discover that a Laidlaw from a different family line had facial features that reminded me fairly strongly of my father, although the general outline of his face was different. He isn't on my personal tree.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
edited by Doug Laidlaw
Hi Doug, can you add the link for the profile, once created, to the category request page, then I'll be able to add the category for Lisitania. Thanks, cheers, Margaret
Done. I won't do it back to front again.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
Hi Doug, re the category for the ship Palmyra, what voyage was she on? The existing voyage category went to NZ, I can't find any references to it calling at Australia. Do you have links for the information you have? Emma (Richards) Harris (1816-1879)

Cheers, Margaret

Margaret, the mention of the "Palmyra" came from a family record. I will look for better evidence.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
Thank you for offering to do Grace Prebble's husband. Bruce Kuhnell and John Albert Kuhnell are DNA matches to me. They are both third cousins once removed. In the same line I have a DNA match with Troy Highdale.
posted by Jean (Cox) Price
I have added Grace's husband. I couldn't find a birth date for John Albert. From the Electoral Rolls, he may be a son. Birth records for a person born less than 100 years ago are not available to the public, only to family members. I have only one link to the Prebble family, through Richard.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
Hi Doug, regarding the ship "Delgany", I've found arrival dates to Melbourne for Nov 1852 and Dec 1854, and passenger lists for both on PROV, but I can't find any of the Jinks family in either list. Do you have some links for the sources for them being on the ship? None of the family profiles have any sources for their voyage. Cheers, Margaret
Sorry, Margaret. I tried to reply to the "No Reply;" I will never learn! There is a listing from the Dec 1854 voyage on some profiles on Ancestry.com. The spelling is so weird that you would never find it. As soon as I can get rid of the Black Dog, I will send a copy to your email address. Alternatively, a copy should be a hint on Ancestry.com for the profile I nominated. Doug.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
edited by Doug Laidlaw
Hello Doug,

The Australia Project leadership team are carrying out a check-in to see how you are going in the project and especially to thank you for all your work on Australian profiles on WikiTree. We really value your participation.

Please could you get back to me by private message to let me know if you are happy with your current role and team involvement within the project or if you would like to do something additional or different. Currently we have you down as a member of the South Australia team, although you don't seem to be listed on the page. I can fix that up for you. If you would like a change, you can check on the Australia Project page to see what other options there are.

It would also be great to hear any feedback and any suggestions that you have to improve the project.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Gillian, co-Leader, Australia Project

posted by Gillian Thomas
Hi Doug, I've added the Triton ship to Peter, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Triton%2C_Arrived_28_Oct_1825, as you can see, I used the date 28th October, according to the trove article quoted on Free setter or Felon, https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2184603 the triton arrived the Friday before Monday 31st, having left Hobart on the 21st. The Macphersons are all listed, looks like quite a family! This site https://australianroyalty.net.au/tree/purnellmccord.ged/individual/I29920/Peter-MacPherson also lists them all, may be of some use to you?

The ships added page is working well, thanks for adding your requests. Stay safe, regards, Margaret

Edited to add link to Trove article.

posted by Margaret (Gale) Haining
edited by Margaret (Gale) Haining
Thanks for doing that, Margaret. Yes, I did intend to look at the Australian Royalty site. I am investigating for a family member, who found a few errors in what I had put up.

If you are happy to continue using the ships added page, I will continue to put my requests there. I want to save you as much work as possible.

Doug

posted by Doug Laidlaw
No problem, Doug, yes happy to keep the ship page going, keep them coming.

Cheers, Margaret

Hi Doug, Our dear relative, Alfred Edward Clarke has certainly got numerous entries in his profile. I do really appreciate the help and support you have given me with the Clarke side of my ancestry. Keep well Doug and I hope to hear from you again soon. Regards. Mike
posted by Michael Clarke
He isn't the only one, Mike. It may come from accepting all the numerous records that Ancestry.com suggest.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
Hi Doug, No I don't think we have sorted out Alice Nicholson/Stewart. I haven't done much research lately though and should really get back into it. Robyn Flemming is the one who made the connection in Wikitree so maybe she knows more. She and I have chatted prior to internet trees like this and I know her research is normally pretty reliable.
posted by Sue Brown
Wilson-35952 and Wilson-62314 were set as rejected matches I simply removed them as a rejected match and any connection between the two.

Wilson-35952 is not matched up with anyone now

I don't know who suggested it or who set them as a reject match but it wasn't Ancestry.

posted by Melissa McKay
Doug;

I have no idea what you mean by

"Whoever matched the two Wilsons? Since one was in the USA and one in Scotland, only Ancestry.com could have suggested it."

Which Wilson in USA is matched to what Wilson in Scotland?

posted by Melissa McKay
Thanks for your thoughts, Shoshanah. It is all Justice Benjamin Boothby's fault. He is the only Australian Judge to be sacked twice. His son William was Best Man at the wedding in England of my ancestor, William Boykett. If he had not been appointed, the Boyketts would not have come out, bringing their genes for depression with them.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
Hi Doug, I am sorry to read below of your health problems.

I refer to your recent comment on the Australia Project and Convicts after the Third Fleet. It is my understanding and experience of Wiki Tree and DNA Genealogy is that all and any participation is completely voluntary. Take care, Shoshanah

posted by Shoshanah Luckie
My health is deteriorating. I don't know how long I can continue. I seem to have completed the core of my family tree, enough that I now have direct connections to the Anchors every week, instead of via my wife's relatives. For a while, I will confine myself to cleaning up profiles and dealing with queries.
posted by Doug Laidlaw
In answer to your question about categories, I have sent you a private message.

Plus: an answer is provided here from the Wikitree GtoG forum that I see you have been an active participant of in the past.

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/863193/how-do-i-add-categories-to-a-profile

I hope that this helps

posted by Shoshanah Luckie
Further to my comment of 20 Aug, I have now received my DNA results. They tell me very little of relevance that I haven't found the hard way. To paraphrase Euclid, there is no "royal road" to genealogy. The modern loneliness is spiritual, and DNA is not the answer to it. Ancestry.com says that being like 24% of respondents is the same as "unique!!" MyHeritage is worse.

Wikitree suggests that I prove that my parents really are my parents by further testing. That sounds like trying to prove that DNA has a use, even an unnecessary one. One woman did just that, and it backfired: her mother's husband wasn't her biological father!.

posted by Doug Laidlaw
Gillian, I simply pile on names with a minimum of verification. One day, I will add BDM references. Others do a lot more than me.

I have sent off my DNA sample, not because I believe in it, but because everybody wants me to. DNA can confirm the paper trail, but it can never be a replacement, as some seem to think. According to DNA research, no men existed before the 18th cent. It is a bit like the Mad Hatter's watch: "I told you butter wouldn't suit the works." March Hare: "But it was the _best_butter!" Or more accurately: "If the data doesn't support the hypothesis, discard the data."

posted by Doug Laidlaw
Hi Doug

On behalf of the Australia Project leadership team, we're carrying out a Project Members Check-in to see if you are still interested in being involved as an active member of the project. In particular, we are ready to launch our new teams for the project. Please could you let me know what team/s you would like to contribute to. A list of teams is on the Australia Project page. Please respond by private message.

We really appreciate your enthusiasm in working on Australian profiles on WikiTree, and thank you for all the work you have been doing. We look forward to hearing back from you and that you will decide to be part of the project as we move forward with the new teams for the project. Regards, Gillian

posted by Gillian Thomas

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