Matthias Brandenburg is a DAR Patriot Ancestor, A013756.
Matthias Brandenburg performed Patriotic Service in Virginia in the American Revolution.
Matthias “Tice” Brandenburg was born somewhere in the Heiliges Römisches Reich (now Germany) between 1738 and 1744.[1] He left Germany for America, settling in Frederick Co. Maryland, where he married Hester Wohlgemot/Wohlgemuth in 1764. By 1782, Matthias had moved to Hampshire County, Virginia (now West Virginia) where he remained until after 1790. By 1800, he had continued west to Clark County Kentucky. Matthias and Hester had 14 children. Matthias died in November,1806, purportedly murdered by William Hardin. He is buried in Heidelberg Baptist Church Cemetery, Heidelberg, Lee County, Kentucky, USA. [2][3]
Claimed Royal Ancestry
Some time before his death, Matthias revealed to his family that he was a member of the Royal Family of Brandenburg, Prussia (The House of Hohenzollern). He told them that he and his brothers had left a vast estate in Prussia. and gave an account of giving an offence during a procession passing through the streets of Berlin. This account is provided in more detail at Space: Brandenburg from Brandenburg Legends.[3]
Siblings
Solomon Brandenburg (his brother) was born August 24, 1722 in Berlin and died March 24, 1796, somewhere in Holland. [4]
According to his Geni profile, he was the brother of
Residence
In 1782 he lived in Hampshire County, Virginia.[5]
In 1800 he resided in Clark County, Kentucky.-
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Death
Matthias died November 20, 1806 or 1807 in Crabtree Corners, Clark County, Kentucky, United States. Find A Grave reports his death in November 1806 aged 67-68 in Crab Orchard, Lincoln County, Kentucky, USA. He was buried in Heidelberg Baptist Church Cemetery, Heidelberg, Lee County, Kentucky, USA[2]
May have been murdered by a William Hardin.
These children may (or may not) be from a different Matthias:
Henry Emerson Brandenburg* (1765–1838)[2] Henry Emerson Brandenburg, Sr.; [3] Henry Emerson Brandenburg, Sr. born 1768, Frederick County, Province of Maryland[3]
Joseph Brandenburg* (1767–1864)[2] Joseph Brandenburg; [3]Joseph Brandenburg born 1767, Frederick Co., Maryland[3]
Elizabeth FitzGerald; [3]Elizabeth FitzGerald, born 1769, Frederick County, Province of Maryland[3]
David Brandenburg; [3]David Brandenburg, July 2, 1772, Frederick County, Province of Maryland[3]
Nancy Warren and 9 others [3]Nancy Warren, born 1773, Frederick County, Province of Maryland[3]
Samuel Brandenburg, born 1774, Hampshire County, Province of Virginia[3]
Jonathan Brandenburg, born 1775, Hampshire, Virginia[3]
Solomon Brandenburg, born Ap;ril 12, 1777, Hampshire, Virginia[3]
Research Notes
Regarding his Parentage:
Matthias is variously shown as the son of Solomon Brandenburg or as the son of Frederick Solomon Brandenburgh[3] or the son of Solomon Thomas Brandenburg[3]
He has also been listed as the son of Friedrich Wilhem Brandenburg (1710-1741)
It has also been suggested that he was the son of Johannes Andonges Brandenburg (aka Johann Anthonius Brandenburg) who immigrated in 1740 thru New York.
All parental connections have been severed until clear sources are found.
Source number: 704.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: FYC. Birth date: 1740 Birth place: Gr Marriage date: Marriage place: of MD APID: 1,7836::141747 Ancestry Record worldmarr_ga #141749
Source number: 5372.008; Source type: Family group sheet, FGSE, listed as parents; Number of Pages: 1; Birth date: 1740 Birth place: Gr Marriage date: 1764 Marriage place: MD APID: 1,7836::141748Ancestry Record worldmarr_ga #141748
Information extracted from various family tree data submitted to Ancestry and The Generations Network Ancestry Profile
Heads of families at the first census of the United States taken in the year 1790. : records of the state enumerations, 1782 to Author: Ancestry.com Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.Original data - Heads of families at the first census of the United States taken in the year 1790. : records of the state enumerations, 1782 to 1785.. Washington: G.P.O., 1908.Matthias Brandenburg. Hampshire County Virginia
Kentucky Census, 1810-90 Author: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.Original data - Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.Ancestry Record kycen #8038595
Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Ancestry Profile
Family Data Collection - Marriages Author: Edmund West, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2001. Note: APID: 1,5774::0 Ancestry Record genepoolm #293998
Virginia Census, 1607-1890 Author: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.Original data - Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.Orig Note: APID: 1,3578::0 Ancestry Record vacen #33054550
Family Data Collection - Births Author: Edmund West, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2001. Note: APID: 1,5769::0 Ancestry Record genepoolb #542608
U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Author: Yates Publishing Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004.Original data - This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was deriv Note: APID: 1,7836::0
Public Member Trees Author: Ancestry.com Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006.Original data - Family trees submitted by Ancestry members.Original data: Family trees submitted by Ancestry members. Ancestry Profile
Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Author: Gale Research Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006.Original data - Filby, P. William, ed.. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2006.Original data: Filby, P. William, ed.. Passe Note: APID: 1,7486::0 Ancestry Record pili354 #219282
Anne Waller Reddy, West Virginia revolutionary ancestors : whose services were non-military and whose names, therefore, do not appear in revolutionary indexes of soldiers and sailors. Indexed from records in the Virginia State Library. Richmond, Virginia. 1930. Reprinted by Selby Publishing & Printing, Kokomo, Indiana. 1988. p. 16. Image
Page: Place: America; Year: ; Page Number: 25. Note: Arrival date: Arrival place: America APID: 1,7486::219282Ancestry Record pili354 #219282
DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Matthias by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA.
Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree:
My Mother said her grandfather's grave was moved so they could build a bridge from Louisville to New Albany. Maybe Matthias's grave was moved also. The whole cemetery was moved and Matthias was Mom's grandfather's great grandfather. Her Grandfather was Reuben Bennett Binkley and his mother was Lousiana Brandenburg, daughter of Absolom Brandenburg, son of Matthias. Could they maybe have been buried in the same cemetery? There should be records somewhere that tells whose graves were moved to build the bridge.
Do we have a specific source that Matthias is buried at the Heidelberg Baptist Church? The church there today was established many years after Matthias's death, in the late 19th century.
Given that there is no stone and his burial is 75 years before the next oldest burial listed on Find A Grave, I would say that this information is seriously suspect.
That makes sense to me. I visited the Heidelberg Chruch in 2022 to visit the grave of a 3x great-grandfather. A photo I took of the church's exterior (I would have loved to go inside, but it was closed). I cannot find the picture I took of the building, but there is a sign saying that it was established in the later part of the 19th century. This doesn't mean that there was not another church at that location previously, but I have noticed that churches that have been rebuilt will often have a note such as "Established 1812 Rebuilt 1853."
It is my understanding from a fellow Brandenburg that has done the yDNA test that father of Matthias Brandenburg is Johannes Andonges Brandenburg (aka Johann Anthonius Brandenburg) who immigrated in 1740 thru New York. Most of what is seen on profiles is just misinformation copied from one collection to another. I am not closed-minded about this and would be happy to see reliable sources to point me in the right direction.
I've disconnected all parents from this profile and left a research note and will leave this profile PPP'd to prevent anyone from adding parents until we have parents backed up by better sources.
My Mother said that one of the Binkley's had a letter from the German government that wanted them to come to Germany and claim a castle that they inherited that belonged to the Brandenburgs. Whomever she was talking about didn't have money to go to Germany and no one seems to know where the letter went.
It is important to keep in mind that no one has ever conclusively proven the supposed connection of the Brandenburgs to royalty. The only way I believe we might be able to prove/disprove the connection is running a y-DNA study with direct male descendants of Matthias or the other Brandenburg immigrants believed to be his brothers.
I have done as much as I can to clean up this profile. It is better than is was, by at least 40 references, but there is some advanced sourcing that mystifies me. The Ancestry templates link to the records.
I hope one of the profile managers or someone who is better at fancy sourcing will take it from here. Beware... moving the "ref name=" section destroys the formatting. I should learn how to do advanced sourcing, but don't want to spend time doing that.
I did remove the source for Baltimore Passenger arrivals. That source was for arrivals after 1820 and Matthias died in 1807.
Also, I found absolutely no evidence that Matthias' parents were Friedrich Wilhelm and Anne. They should be probably be detached from Matthias.
I am related to both a James Hardin and Matthias Brandenburg. I wonder if William is also a relation, hmm. Also, my Brother received ashkenazi results from his maternal side and I am wondering if anyone else of us descendants did? Thanks!
Thanks for calling attention to this profile. While I am not a descendent, this profile has the most duplicate and gedcom imported sources I have encountered on WikiTree. Clearly when merges occurred there was no clean up attempted. Does anyone mind if I take a stab at reducing the duplicates and GEDCOM junk?
maybe keep a record of everything you change so that way if someone complains about it you can give them the information? actually can you also send me the information? lol.
Mathias Brandenburg said he was related to a bunch of royals from Germany so maybe thats what the merges are about? is Mathias Brandenburg really that common of a name? im on the west coast. i dont know anything about all this. all those merges are probably from people like me who are guessing and have no idea what we are doing (although i dont even know how to do merges ha). also per my last comment, i reviewed things. it seems the hardins and brandenburgs may not be related per say except the descendants (me) because they married each other! ha, ironic. im related to a william hardin but he was born in 1880, so idk. i cant go up past james hardin born in indiana in 1825ish.
I am getting it cleaned up but have not removed any of the references. This is quite a challenge. The problem is that there are duplicate sources and biographical information, come from an imported family tree from Ancestry. There may have been some sort of computer glitch during the upload since I found 3 repetitions each of many sources. It was really weird. No one really wants to tackle extensive profile clean up like this.
If you click the changes tab on a profile, all the changes ever made are preserved so one can roll back the data to an earlier time. That makes editing much less scary, because mistakes can be corrected pretty easily.
I did add Ancestry templates to each source so you should be able to view the source information. .
Keep looking for your Brandenburgs and Hardins Also check the Free Space page to read about the "royal legend" It is quite interesting...
Find A Grave has some interesting reading as well.
Cheers!
Kie
(Not screaming as I am almost done... Or at least ready to stop.)
I have to agree with Ellen. There is no concrete evidence that Matthias was a member of the Prussian Royal Family. They were Protestant so insulting Catholics wouldn't have been offense. There is also a letter in a PDF I found 'Descendants of Matthias Brandenburg and Hester Wohlgemuth'. There's an interesting letter from an archivist in Berlin who researched Matthias and his brother Wilhelm to see if there was any documents to link them to royal family. There was nothing and as the archivist pointed out that such evidence for someone closely related to the King wouldn't have disappeared. I think it would be wiser to unlink any parents until something harder appears.
I have misgivings about this proposed merge. Both sets of parents appear to be designed to weld royal ancestral lineages onto seemingly ordinary people, and I'm not seeing decent sources for either.
In the absence of reliable evidence for any set of parents, it seems to me the best choice is to merge the profiles, remove both sets of parents, project-protect the profile, and discuss the different notions about his parents in the profile text, with links to the various purported parents.
Brandenburg-344 and Brandenburg-185 appear to represent the same person because: It seems clear that research on parents is inconclusive. These profiles represent the same person. They should be merged, with note made of disagreements about parentage.
Brandenburg-230 and Brandenburg-185 appear to represent the same person because: DOB's pretty much the same. Currently there are 3 Matthias Brandenburg's listed in the search, all are the same person.
edited by Ginny (Garner) English
It is important to keep in mind that no one has ever conclusively proven the supposed connection of the Brandenburgs to royalty. The only way I believe we might be able to prove/disprove the connection is running a y-DNA study with direct male descendants of Matthias or the other Brandenburg immigrants believed to be his brothers.
I hope one of the profile managers or someone who is better at fancy sourcing will take it from here. Beware... moving the "ref name=" section destroys the formatting. I should learn how to do advanced sourcing, but don't want to spend time doing that.
I did remove the source for Baltimore Passenger arrivals. That source was for arrivals after 1820 and Matthias died in 1807.
Also, I found absolutely no evidence that Matthias' parents were Friedrich Wilhelm and Anne. They should be probably be detached from Matthias.
Kie
edited by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
I think you're right about his parentage. I'll detach those folks and revise the "Parents" section.
i detached the parents and left a research note about the parentage.
Mathias Brandenburg said he was related to a bunch of royals from Germany so maybe thats what the merges are about? is Mathias Brandenburg really that common of a name? im on the west coast. i dont know anything about all this. all those merges are probably from people like me who are guessing and have no idea what we are doing (although i dont even know how to do merges ha). also per my last comment, i reviewed things. it seems the hardins and brandenburgs may not be related per say except the descendants (me) because they married each other! ha, ironic. im related to a william hardin but he was born in 1880, so idk. i cant go up past james hardin born in indiana in 1825ish.
If you click the changes tab on a profile, all the changes ever made are preserved so one can roll back the data to an earlier time. That makes editing much less scary, because mistakes can be corrected pretty easily.
I did add Ancestry templates to each source so you should be able to view the source information. .
Keep looking for your Brandenburgs and Hardins Also check the Free Space page to read about the "royal legend" It is quite interesting...
Find A Grave has some interesting reading as well.
Cheers! Kie (Not screaming as I am almost done... Or at least ready to stop.)
edited by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
In the absence of reliable evidence for any set of parents, it seems to me the best choice is to merge the profiles, remove both sets of parents, project-protect the profile, and discuss the different notions about his parents in the profile text, with links to the various purported parents.