Rollo (Normandie) of Normandy
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Rollo (Normandie) of Normandy (abt. 842 - 931)

Rollo of Normandy formerly Normandie
Born about [location unknown]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] in Disputedmap
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Died at about age 89 in Rouen, Seine Inferieure, Normandie, Francemap
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Note: Since his various proposed parentages are either disputed or fanciful, they have been removed and Rollo of Normandy is shown without parents. See Research notes section below.

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Name and Titles

Name: Rollo of Normandy
  • Duke of Normandy - Rollo is often given this title, though it is likely a modern anachronism and not a title used in his time or even accurately describing his area of control.
  • Count of Rouen - A title sometimes given to Rollo which more accurately describes his area of control.
  • Princeps Nortmannorum (Leader of the Normans [of Rouen]) - A title preferred by Stewart Baldwin which has the advantage of being contemporary, and accurate to his area of control. It also has the advantage of being similar to the Duke of Normandy title by which he is often called. However, as explained by Baldwin, among contemporaries "it was also used to describe Ragenold, the leader of a different group of Vikings on the river Loire".

Was his real name Hrólfr? Rollo was Scandinavian, but there are many reasons to doubt this popular idea which probably developed centuries later. See the Research notes section below.


Marriages and Children

Married: 1st - Poppa. Her name is known from a single source. Dudo of St. Quentin states that she was of Frankish origins and a daughter of Count Bérenger. The exact identity of this Count Bérenger is a matter of great conjecture, but is not known with any certainty. The Planctus, which does not provide her name, states that she was a Christian, and mother by a pagan father (i.e., Rollo, whose name is also not given) of William, who was born overseas.[1]
Married: 2nd - Gisla of France. This marriage is probably mythical. She is said to be daughter of Charles the Simple, king of France [Dudo, 46-7, 53]. However, she is unknown in the Frankish sources. The fact that Charles the Simple's kinsman Charles the Fat had a daughter also named Gisla who married a Viking (Godefridus) in the ninth century has led to the natural suspicion that this Gisla is an invention based on the earlier woman of the name. If she existed at all, there is no reason to believe that she was a mother of any of Rollo's children.
Children of Rollo of Normandy and Poppa:
Proven and documented:
  1. William "Longsword" of Normandy.
  2. Gerloc (or Adele). Adele was the christian name for Gerloc. She married Guillaume (William) Tête d'Étoupe, count of Poitou and duke of Aquitaine.

The icelandic Landnámabók refers to a daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr named Caðlín who married a king named Beolan in Scotland. However, see Research notes concerning this.

Timeline

Dudo reported that before attacking Normandy he first attacked England and then made peace with King Athelstan, who was an lasting ally. As Douglas points out, this connection to Athelstan is chronologically impossible.

He then attacked Walcheren, which is now in the Netherlands. Like Rouen in Normandy, where he later became established, there were already vikings living there. From Walcheren he attacked the territories of the two imperial generals sent to repel him, northwards in Frisia and then south along the Scheldt river. He then fought a campaign in England to subdue rebels in the kingdom there.

As Douglas points out, there is no other confirmation of these early campaigns.

876: Dudo specifically mentions this year as the one that Rollo first arrived at the Seine river and the area of Rouen, which is downstream of Paris. This implies that Rollo lived a very long active life!

885 Siege of Paris

A minor leader of a large Viking invasion of France was named Rollo. After the rest of the Vikings withdrew, he continued harassing the French until he was bought off.

ABT 890: Invasion of Normandy

Invaded the area that became the core of the Duchy of Normandie.

AUG 911: Battle of Chartres

Rollo was narrowly defeated by Charles the Simple, leading to the Treaty of Sait Clair-sur-Epte.

911: Rollo or Hrolfr, was created Duke of Rouen.

SEP 911: Treaty of Saint Clair-sur-Epte

According to Douglas it is around 911 that Charles the Simple ceded the area around Rouen to Rollo, establishing core of the future Duchy of Normandie in exchange for Hrolf's agreement to defend France against further Norse invasion, conversion to Christianity

912: According to Dudo, this is when Rollo was baptized, assuming the name Robert.

919: Remarriage to Poppa de Bayeaux - Renne, Normandie, Neustria

933: Probably dead.

According to Baldwin he "was probably dead by 933, when his son William was mentioned as leading the Normans [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 933: MGH SS 3, 381, van Houts (2000), 45]".


Research Notes

There are at least three proposals concerning the parentage of Rollo. The following summary is based upon that of Stewart Baldwin.[2]

  • Catillus is the only name which comes from a continental and relatively contemporary source. As explained by Baldwin: "The earliest author to attribute an explicit origin to Rollo was Richer of Reims, writing between 996 and 998, who called Rollo the son of another Viking invader of France named Catillus (presumably representing the Norse name Ketill) ["duce Rollone filio Catilli" Richer, Historia, i, 28 (vol. 1, p. 62)]. Since Richer is not generally reliable for the relevant time period, and Catillus appears to be a legendary individual with no clear identity in the contemporary sources, this account has generally been discredited, probably correctly [see Douglas (1942), 420-1]."
  • Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre and his wife Ragnhildr or Hildr. As pointed out by Stewart Baldwin, "the Orkneyinga Saga (late twelfth century) [OrkS 4 (pp. 29-30)], followed by other Icelandic sources (such as the well known Heimskringla and Landnámabók), gives Rollo the name Hrólfr, and make him a son of Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre, and brother of (among others) jarl Torf-Einarr of the Orkneys [OI 1: 187]." Baldwin gives three main problems with this proposal:
  1. "The discrepancies between the Norman and Icelandic sources." For example: "Among other contradictions, the Norman sources give Rollo a brother named Gurim, while the Icelandic sources give Hrólfr several brothers, none of them named Gormr (the presumed Old-Norse form for Gurim)." Baldwin also addresses the argument that the names were confused and short form names: "In fact, the Icelandic sources, in identifying Rollo with Hrólfr, son of Rognvaldr, provide Hrólfr with a brother named Hrollaugr, which seems like a more plausible Norse form for the name Rollo than Hrólfr. This Hrollaugr, said to be an early settler of Iceland, cannot be identified with Rollo of Normandy, so that the Icelandic sources are providing the founder of Normandy with a brother whose name is evidenctly [sic] Rollo, further illustrating the problems with the Icelandic account."
  2. "The general unreliability of Norse sources for the early tenth century."
  3. "Rollo and Hrólfr appear to be different names." The natural Latin equivalent of the name Hrólfr would be Radulfus or Rodulfus (Ralf or Rolf). The Frankish and Norman sources, who certainly knew the common name Radulph, usually refer to the founder of Normandy as Rollo.
  • Göngu-Hrólfr, a legendary figure, is given at least three fathers in Icelandic sagas: Rognvaldr (based on the equation of Rollo with Hrólfr the son of the jarl of Møre), Oxna-Þórir and Sturlaugr, king of Hringeríki in Norway. In, for example, Göngu-Hrólfs Saga, Göngu-Hrólfr "becomes king of Russia in the end, and has no Norman connection".

Note that the equation of Rollo with both Göngu-Hrólfr and the son of the jarl of Møre has a serious supporter in the form of the historian David Crouch, whose position Baldwin also discusses.[3]

A related question is whether Rollo was Danish or Norwegian. In Normandy his origin was clearly seen as Danish. Dudo of St. Quentin (writing early 11th century), is an example, though even more confusingly he believed Rollo's Danes were originally Dacians, wrongly equating them to a barbarian nation in Roman times, who lived near modern Romania. Following the death of his (unnamed) father, he said that Rollo and his brother Gurim fought against the king of Denmark and were eventually forced out. Dudo also writes of Rollo's grandson Duke Richard I as being related to the king of Denmark. Baldwin explains:

"The earliest dateable sources which attribute a Norwegian origin to Rollo are from the late eleventh and early twelfth centuries, principally Geoffrey Malaterra [writing ca. 1090, see van Houts (2000), 52] and William of Malmesbury [early 12th century, see WM ii, 5 (p. 125)]. A Norwegian origin for Rollo is also stated in the chronicle Chronicon de gestis Normannorum in Francia [MGH SS 1, 532-6, at 536]. Although this source used ninth century Frankish annnals as a basis, the entries regarding Rollo ("Rotlo", mistranscribed as "Rodo" in the MGH edition) were probably introduced at about the time of the manuscript's compilation in the twelfth century. See Helmerichs (2002) for a discussion of this source."

Sources

  1. The Planctus of William Longsword, a poem written shortly after the death of William Longsword.
  2. Baldwin, Stewart. "Rollo "of Normandy" Princeps Nortmannorum, at The Henry Project: The Ancestors of King Henry II of England. Website. (2001-present). Accessed Feb 2020.
  3. Douglas, D. C. "Rollo of Normandy." in The English Historical Review, vol. 57, no. 228, (October 1942), pp. 417–436. Available at JSTOR.
  • Dudo of St. Quentin:
  • Wace. Roman de Rou. [1]
  • Chronicon de gestis Normannorum in Francia [MGH SS 1, 532-6]

See also:

  • The Pedigree and History of the Washington Family, by Albert Welles
  • Christiansen, E. (2002). The Norsemen in the Viking Age. Blackwell Publishers Ltd. (2002)
  • Fitzhugh, W.W. & Ward, E. (2000). Vikings: The North Atlantic Saga. Smithsonian Institution Press.
  • Jones, G. (2001). A History of the Vikings. Oxford University Press. Google Books.
  • McKitterick, R. (1983). The Frankish Kingdom under the Carolingians, pp.751-987. Longman.
  • Konstam, A. (2002). Historical Atlas of the Viking World. Checkmark Books.
  • Arbman, H. (1961). Ancient People and Places: The Vikings. Thames and Hudson. (1961)
  • Oxenstierna, E. (1965). The Norsemen, New York Graphics Society Publishers, Ltd.
  • Rowley, Trevor, The Normans, a History of Conquest, Pegasus Books New York 2021.




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Oh, I'm fully aware of that, Andrew. I've been at this caper for a long time. But, I wasn't speaking specifically about who the specific ancestor of the Dukes was. That's a given and we know who it was. I was speaking of Rollo/Hrolf and his own ancestry. Was he a Dane or a Norwegian (or, neither, maybe). Who were his parents, etc. That's why they checked out his grandson and great grandson because they had (or thought they had) their bones relatively intact. Turns out that wasn't the case. The bones weren't even of the two men in question. So, that idea fell flat. That's why I suggested trying out other members of the family in the direct male line. But, there are problems even there. That led me to make that quip at the end :)
posted by Carl Tanner
The only way any of this is going to be solved, and it won't be through written records as most of them are somewhat later than Hrolf's time and the ones that are at least semi-contemporary are mostly dubious anyway, is to find someone's grave that is of a close(ish) relative of Hrolf and test their DNA. Now, they did try it on Richard the Fearless and the Good, but the skeletons in those graves weren't of those particular men. Obviously, they had been taken out of their supposed graves (if they were even there in the first place) and scattered to who knows where. That leaves few graves they could examine. William's (the Conqueror) would be a candidate. Though, we have the same problem of grave disturbance as the previous attempts. Maybe, Henry I. Or, possibly, William Rufus. Maybe one or two of their other brothers. But, that's about it.

Other than that, if you can find a time machine (preferably a TARDIS), I'll volunteer to go back in time and ask grandpa who his good ol' dad was :) :P

posted by Carl Tanner
Often with medieval people we have several types of evidence and we are not sure if we are talking about one person or more. In those cases I think we need to look at who we have the person connected to, and decide which set of evidence defines the anchor point or core of the profile. The other information can then be seen as "research". In this case, I think it is clear that the article is about the ancestor of the Dukes.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
I am wondering whether we should divide this article into three people (Rolle, Hrólfr son of Rognvaldr, and the probably legendary Göngu-Hrólfr). I know there are theories connecting those three people, but they have clearly not created any level of certainty or consensus. If we do not separate these three very different sets of information, then our editors and readers must surely be misled and confused. Noting possible connections between profiles is easy, I think. However, noting the possible need to split a profile is not something the brains of our readers will absorb easily, and I fear we will constantly gravitate back to problems.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
edited by Andrew Lancaster
I've made a start. I hope this is easier to now add to using better sources only. We need to decide what to do with all the children.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
I think one of us needs to dare try trimming this article of material by fellow genealogists and giving it a more standard structure so people can find answers to their questions. I place this note here as a marker to help people re-trace my steps if necessary.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Why is Rollo parentless when Medlands has him with parents? http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORWEGIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#Rollodied928
posted by Kristen Murray
Kristen, the above biography discusses the reasons why no parents are attached to him. Basically, there are many theories, none of which can be said to be contemporary or authoritative. As such, no parents should be attached to Rollo.
posted by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
edited by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
This was done at a time when the information was unconfirmed. I have no problem with a supported change.
posted by Sheri (Petersen) Sturm
Stewart Baldwin, in connection with the Henry Project, has written an excellent article on what can be known and what must remain unknown regarding Rollo, which was mentioned a while back on G2G but was not present on this profile, so I added it. It would be useful at this point to re-write this narrative consistent with Stewart Baldwin's work.
posted by Jack Day
1. We say we are disconnecting him from parents, but we keep calling him Ragnvaldsson? (And this does not help find him by searching. I just tried it.)

2. I have changed a few places where he is called Rollo "de" Normandie in to "of". The french word is not part of any title or surname either on Wikitree or elsewhere.

3. Our text uses one name form and assumes all records which might be one person, are one person. It also gives so sort of indication of where each snippet report came from in order to show readers how the story we present is a patchwork person. I really think this profile of all profiles needs name variant and source comments on each of the events, at least parenthetically?

posted by Andrew Lancaster
The image of his tomb shows the engraving "

In sinu templi rollo quiescit a se vastatae conditae normanniae pater ac primus Dux labore qui fractus occubuit octogenario maior an cm xxxiii" which translates to "In the Gulf Temple Rollo laid to rest. Founding Father of Normandy and the first Duc who died an octogenarian 933. Perhaps we should consider changing his death date to 933 instead of 931.

posted by Deborah (Smith) Talbot

Featured German connections: Rollo is 25 degrees from Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 34 degrees from Dietrich Bonhoeffer, 27 degrees from Lucas Cranach, 32 degrees from Stefanie Graf, 30 degrees from Wilhelm Grimm, 30 degrees from Fanny Hensel, 34 degrees from Theodor Heuss, 30 degrees from Alexander Mack, 48 degrees from Carl Miele, 27 degrees from Nathan Rothschild, 28 degrees from Hermann Friedrich Albert von Ihering and 29 degrees from Ferdinand von Zeppelin on our single family tree. Login to see how you relate to 33 million family members.

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