Edward Stradling (bef. 1473 - 1535)

Born before 6 Aug 1473 in Merthyr Mawr, Glamorgan, Wales

Ancestors

Husband of Elizabeth (Arundel) Stradling — married about 1495 in St Athan, Glamorgan, Wales

Descendants

Died 8 May 1535 after age 61 in St. Donats Castle, Glamorgan, Wales

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Biography

Edward Stradling was born in Glamorgan, Wales.

Edward Stradling (4th of the name), was born in Merthyr Mawr, Glamorgan, Wales, ^[1] the son and heir of Thomas Stradling, Esq. by his wife, Jenett ferch Thomas Mathew. ^[2][3][4] When Edward's father died in 1480, King Richard III placed Edward's guardianship with Sir James Tyrrell, KB, which lasted until King Richard III's defeat in 1485. As Sir James was Elizabeth Arundell's uncle, it would have been during this time connections were forged for her and Edward's eventual marriage. Edward's mother remarried Sir Rhys ap Thomas KG, confidante of the newly crowned King Henry VII. As such, he was granted Edward's guardianship until Edward attained full age. Based on the 6 August 1494 Letter of Quittance by Sir Rhys ap Thomas, KG, his ward, Edward Stradling, was born on or prior that day 21 years earlier in 1473. ^{[5] [6]}

Upon attaining full age, Edward gained hereditary titles, along with the knight's fee of St. Donat's and other Stradling family estates.

St Donat's Castle

Edward married Elizabeth Arundell, daughter and co-heiress of Sir Thomas Arundell, KB, by wife, Catherine, daughter of Sir John Dinham.^[2] Based on Edward attaining full age, they were married about 1495 in St. Tathan's Church, St. Athan, Glamorgan, Wales, ^[7] as was the Stradling of St. Donat's custom back to the Stradling/Berkerolles union.

They had the following children:

• Thomas, Kt, (heir);^{[8][1][2][9][10][11]} married Katherine Gamage, daughter and heiress to Sir Thomas Gamage; had issue
• Robert (elder),^[2]married Denise, daughter and co-heiress of Watkin Llychwr/Lougher of Sker;^[6][11] had issue
• Katherine,^[11] married Sir Thomas Palmer of Parham; had issue^[2]
• Jane/Joan, married (1) John Gamage (no issue);^[1] (2) Alexander Popham, Esq; had issue^[2][11]
• Edward, married Elizabeth "Bess", daughter and heiress of Robert Raglan of Llantwit Major, Esq; had issue^{[8][2][11][12]}
• Henry/Harry, ^[2][13][8]17 June 1531 letter #298 and 17 June 1533 letter #662
• John, Clerk/Rector^[11][2]

His wife, Lady Elizabeth, died in child bed at Merthyr Mawr, Glamorgan, Wales on 20 February 1513/4.

Edward had several natural children by mistresses, as well, so his complete lineage may never be fully defined.

Natural children by mistress, Ffelis Gwyn ferch John Llwyd Kemeys:

• Bride/Bridget, (base daughter)^[14][11][15] married Lleison ap Lewis John of Baglan^{[2][13][12][14][11]}
• William (base son^{[2][14][11][16]} and heir to 1528 St. Bride's entail), married Margaret;^[17][18] had issue^[19]
• Jenkin Stradling (base son),^{[14][11][2][17][12][10]} married Christian Sheen; had issue^[13][19]
• James,^{[2][11][17][12]}
• John Gwyn (base son),^[14][11][12] married Catherine, daughter and co-heiress of Matthew ap Rhys Ychan of Gelligaer; had issue^[2][13]
• Elizabeth (base daughter), married (1) Edmund ap John ap Morgan; (2) Roger Kemeys;^[20] (3) Edmund Morgan of Bedwelty;^[13] had issue^[20]
• Blanche (base daughter),^[11][17] married ____ ap Morgan ap Hugh^[2][11] ap Charles ap Sir Henry Stradling
• Mary (base daughter),^{[14][11][2][17]} married Jenkin ap Morgan ap Hugh Stradling of Kenfig^[13][11]
• Cecilia (base daughter)^[2][11][17]

Other children by undefined mother(s):

• Robert (younger natural son),^{[2][17][12][6]} married Jonet, daughter of Watkin Llychwr/Lougher of Sker
• Elizabeth, married John ap John^[2]
• Joan^[2]
• Elizabeth, married (1) Thomas ap Lewes of Rhiwperra; ^[21] (2) Roger ap Hywel Carne ^[2][21]
• Cristin/Christian^[2]
• Grisogona (base daughter), married (1) Anthony Porter (had issue), (2) Tristan Holcombe

In 16 June 1528, Sir Edward entered into a land acquisition in St. Brides, Glamorgan, Wales ^[17] and set up an entail for his then unmarried children in the following order: William (heir), Jaynkin, James, John (younger), Robert (younger), Robert (elder), Edward, Henry, Blanche, Mary, Cecilia.^[17]

On 17 June 1531, the Countess of Worcester wrote letter #298 to Thomas Cromwell, the King's councillor, regarding her concerns about the Stradling claims against her husband. She described Edward Stradling's sons as, "twelve brothers, most of them bastards, and they have no living but by extortion and pilling of the King's subjects.", which offers a count of the living male descent of the time. Given Sir Edward died in less than four years of this letter, further children being born would have been few, if any.

In 1547, Thomas Ffleming filed an assault complaint against several Stradling kin, which defined several family members; Edward (Gent), Peter, James, John, Jenkn, Robt (Gent), Bride, Leyson Lewys (Bride's husband). ^[12]

After the Siege of Tournai, 100 men-at-arms, including Edward Stradling, were knighted by King Henry VIII in the Notre-Dame Cathedral of Tournai under the king's banner on 25 September 1513. ^[22]

Sir Edward Stradling's will was signed 27 April 1535, ^[8] he died at St. Donat's Castle, Glamorgan, Wales 8 May 1535 and was buried in the chancel of St. Donat's Church, and his will proved 19 February 1536/7. ^[8] In 1573, Edward Stradling MP (5th of the name), had the bones of his grandfather, Sir Edward (4th of the name), and grandmother, Lady Elizabeth, translated to the new Lady Chapel of St. Donat’s. ^[4]

1590 Commemorative Panel in St. Donat's Chapel^[4]

"Here lyeth Edward Stradlinge, Knight, the 4 of that name, sonne to Thomas Stradlinge, Esquier, and Jenet his wyfe (the daughter of Thomas Mathewe of Rader, in the county of Glamorgan, Esquier) who died in the Castell of Saint Donatts the 8 day of May in the yere of our Lord 1535, and was buried in the chauncel of the church there, whose bones were after translated by his nephewe Edward Stradlinge, Knight, the 5 of that name into the chappell there in the yere of our Lord 1573. Allso here lyeth Elizabeth his wife, daughter to Thomas Arundell of Lanheyron in the county of Cornewall, Knight, who dyed in childbead at Merthermawre the 20 day of February in the yere of our Lord 1513 and was buried there whose bones Thomas Stradlinge, Knight, her sonne, caused to be taken up and caryed to Saint Donatts and buryed in the chauncell of the church therewith her husband the 8 day of Maye in the yere of our Lord 1536, and were afterwards by Edward Stradlinge, Knight, the 5 of that name, her nephewe, translated out of the chauncell into the chappell there in the yere of our Lord 1573."

Armorial Achievement

As heir and armiger of the Stradling of St. Donat's lineage, he maintained his father's heraldic arms quartering (1) Stradling, (2) de Hawey, (3) Strongbow, (4) Garnon, (5) St Barbe, (6) Justyn, (7) Turberville, and (8) Berkerolles. The Crest was described as "on a Wreath a Stag in full Course escarfon'd about the Neck, Argent attir'd and ungul'd, Or", which translates into atop a wreath, a running stag with silver scarf around it's neck and having gold antlers and hooves. The family motto was "Dduw a digon", Welsh for "God is enough".

Research Notes

The History of the Stradlings of St Donats Together with that of the Parish, Manor, and Castle by T.C. Evans (research of Glen Cress)

Sir Edward was an infant when his father died, and his mother married a powerful Welshman, Sir Rhys ap Thomas who became the guardian of Edward. Edward succeeded his father to the St Donants estates in the County of Glamorgan, and was knighted in Tourney Church in the 5th year of King Henry VII I. Sir Edward was buried in St Donats Church.

In addition to 9 or more illegitimate children, Sir Edward and Elizabeth had 6 children; (1) Sir Thomas, eldest son, married Catherine Gamage; (2)Robert, second son, married the daughter of Watkin Lougher; (3) Edward, third son, married the daughter of Robert Raglan; (4) John, fourth son, became a priest; (5) Jane, and (6) Catherine, married Sir William Palmer.

Children Conflations

A Stradling record sourcing project is well-underway, by a few Stradling descended researchers, in an effort to enhance our understanding of Sir Edward's many legitimate and natural children. Updates are occurring as progress on each child is confirmed.
Gilbert-13209 15:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

• The 04 December 1863 Glamorgan newpaper article^[13] must have used the same reference as The Limbus Patrum Morganiae et Glamorganiae (1886), by Clark, since both erroneously assign five natural children of Sir Edward Stradling IV to his great grandfather, Sir Edward Stradling III. All children listed, but Peter and Bride, are on the 1528 St. Bride's entail; ^[17] however, Peter and Bride (with same husband Leyson) are both in a 1547 complaint against Stradling kin.^[12] Accordingly, they could not exist in the late 14th century.
  Gilbert-13209 14:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

• Peter Stradling,^[2][12] married daughter of Lewis John of Baglan^[13][19]
  Conflation seems to exist between base children of Edward Stradling of Llantwit, gent and Sir Edward Stradling of St. Donats. Peter is included in 1547 complaint involving some of Sir Edward Stradling's children ^[12] however, Glamorganshire Pedigrees: From the MSS of Isaac Heard, Knt., Garter King of Arms, p.33 states, "Bride, base daughter of Sir Edward Stradling, Knt." and "Peter, base son to Edward Stradling, of Llantwit, gent". ^[15] Peter and Bride (Bridget) were not siblings; rather, they were cousins of similar age living in the same area and both married into the same Lewis John of Baglan family.
  Gilbert-13209 07:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2} Clark, George Thomas. Cartæ et alia munimenta quæ ad dominium de Glamorgan pertinent: Vol 5: 1453-1580 (Cardiff 1910); pp.1797-1801
2. ↑ ^{2.00 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 2.08 2.09 2.10 2.11 2.12 2.13 2.14 2.15 2.16 2.17 2.18 2.19 2.20 2.21 2.22} Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol. V page 57 STRADLING 15.
3. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), volume IV, page 119.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2} National Museum Wales: Art Collection: 1590: Sir Edward (d.1535) and Lady Elizabeth Stradlinge (d.1513) Commemorative Panel (Accessed: 21 FEB 2021)
5. ↑ Nichols, John Gough. Topagrapher and Genealogist: Vol I (London 1846); pp.562-563
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1 6.2} Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments in Wales; An Inventory of the Ancient Monuments in Glamorgan; Vol.III, Part 1b (Wales 2000); pp.307-341 (Accessed 07 MAR 2021)
7. ↑ Williams, John. Llyfr Baglan / Book of Baglan. Transcribed/Edited by Joseph Alfred Bradney; (London, 1910) p.149 (Accessed: 23 MAR 2021)
8. ↑ ^{8.0 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.4} The National Archives: Kew Will of Sir Edward Stradling; Signed: 27 April 1535; Proved: 19 February 1536/7; Cites "Thomas Stradling my firstborn son my sole executor; son Henry, son Edward" (Accessed: 01 MAY 2021)
9. ↑ Cartæ et alia munimenta quæ ad dominium de Glamorgan pertinent: Vol 5: 1453-1580 pp1958-1959
10. ↑ ^{10.0 10.1} Cartæ et alia munimenta quæ ad dominium de Glamorgan pertinent: Vol 5: 1453-1580 p2070-2072
11. ↑ ^{11.00 11.01 11.02 11.03 11.04 11.05 11.06 11.07 11.08 11.09 11.10 11.11 11.12 11.13 11.14 11.15 11.16} Bartrum Genealogical Project; Stradling 1-3; pp1621-1623
12. ↑ ^{12.0 12.1 12.2 12.3 12.4 12.5 12.6 12.7 12.8 12.9} Great Sessions Miscellanea: 1542-1707', in Cardiff Records: Volume 2, ed. John Hobson Matthews (Cardiff, 1900), pp. 271-292 (Accessed: 17 APR 2021)
13. ↑ ^{13.0 13.1 13.2 13.3 13.4 13.5 13.6 13.7} The National Library of Wales: Welsh Newspapers: The Cardiff and Merthyr Guardian Glamorgan Monmouth and Brecon Gazette: Pub. 25th December 1863
    Glamorgan Pedigrees
14. ↑ ^{14.0 14.1 14.2 14.3 14.4 14.5} The National Library of Wales. Golden Grove Book of Pedigrees (c.1765) Glamorgan p.221
15. ↑ ^{15.0 15.1} Phillips, Sir Thomas; Glamorganshire Pedigrees: From the MSS of Isaac Heard, Knt., Garter King of Arms (Worcester, 1845); p.33
16. ↑ Henry VIII: Addenda, Cromwell Period Papers, in Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 15, 1540, ed. James Gairdner and R H Brodie (London, 1896), pp. 510-568. (Accessed: 17 APR 2021)
17. ↑ ^{17.0 17.1 17.2 17.3 17.4 17.5 17.6 17.7 17.8 17.9} Cartæ et alia munimenta quæ ad dominium de Glamorgan pertinent: Vol 5: 1453-1580 pp.1845-1847
18. ↑ Cartæ et alia munimenta quæ ad dominium de Glamorgan pertinent: Vol 5: 1453-1580 pp1953-1954
19. ↑ ^{19.0 19.1 19.2} 25 December 1863 The Cardiff and Merthyr Guardian - Glamorgan Pedigrees
20. ↑ ^{20.0 20.1} Richardson, Royal Ancestry, 2013, vol. V, page 150, THOMAS 17, Edmund Morgan.
21. ↑ ^{21.0 21.1} The National Archives: Kew Carne v Ap Morgan (Accessed: 02 MAY 2021)
22. ↑ Shaw, William Arthur; Burtchaell, George Dames. The Knights of England (London 1906) Vol.II pg.39 (Accessed: 24 APR 2021)

See also:

• Marlyn Lewis lists 17 illegitimate children.
• www.bellucci.com/melonbel/genealogy/sims_royal.html The Symes Royal Connection (broken link and not on archive.org 14 October 2023)
• A History of the Castle and Its Owners
• The Popham Family and Their ancestors by Hollie Popham McGowan
• The History of the Stradlings of St Donats Together with that of the Parish, Manor, and Castle by T.C. Evans (research of Glen Cress, gcerss at houston.rr.com)
• History of Parliament Online, biography of Edward Stradling (accessed April 20, 2015)
• Oxford University Alumni, 1500-1886
• UK, Extracted Probate Records, 1269-1975
• Inscription from Find A Grave: Memorial #101359625
• Wikidata: Item Q75269416, de:Wikipedia

Acknowledgements

Magna Carta Project

Edward Stradling appears in Magna Carta Ancestry in a Richardson-documented trail from Gateway Ancestors George Popham, William Pole (or Poole) and Elizabeth Pole (or Poole) to Magna Carta Surety Baron Robert de Vere (vol. IV, pages 114-122 STRADLING) that was badged by the Magna Carta Project in May 2015. However, in 2019, Alice FitzAlan was detached as the mother of Joan Beaufort, which broke this trail. An alternative trail to a surety baron has not yet been developed for this profile; however, his wife appears to have several potential trails to Magna Carta surety barons that could be developed (continuing trails for their children). ~ Noland-165 22:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC).

Magna Carta was removed as a profile manager on 12 Dec 2020 but will be re-added if/when a new trail is identified. ~ Thiessen-117 18:40, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

See Base Camp for more information about identified Magna Carta trails and their status. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".