Marijken Gijsberts (abt. 1622 - 1663)

As it happens, I discovered that the Somerset County Historical Quarterly did NOT give 1633 as Marijken's death. The copy of the SCHQ that I read had the correct date of 1663. The erroneous 1633 date that was attributed to the SCHQ must have come from a bad transcription somewhere else (maybe Edmund West or somebody's online family tree) that had been widely copied.. Since the bad date wasn't actually in the source cited for it, I did not see any need to keep the extended discussion about the reasons why Marijken didn't die in 1633.

I did keep the text "In the Somerset County Historical Quarterly published in 1913, it states that son Gysbrecht was born about 1652. Research since that time has uncovered a baptismal record for Gysbrecht dated 1646," with Steven Mix's signature. I kept it to be handled later, because the information appeared to be valid (notwithstanding that I couldn't tell what record was referred to as "a baptism record") and I wasn't sure what purposes the text was supposed to serve.

I was very tempted to remove the "See also" section which references gedcoms and Ancestry trees. I didn't see any reference to the gedcom of Tom Gull in the change history but wondered if it should be moved to Acknowledgements. Perhaps it was part of a previous merge that is not in the history?

There's a reference to someone's tree at Geneat which seems unnecessary.

At some point, the reference to the private Ancestry trees of davenewman83 as the "source" for Marijken's date of birth and place of birth at Tuil was removed. Was this intentional? I contacted him to ask about his sources. It's possible that someone was aware that she was married at Tuil and used it as a place of birth to help with searches.

I think the only thing that is not reliably sourced at this point is Marijken's year of birth. I don't typically research for my ancestors outside of the U.S. but I'll keep an eye out in case I come across it. It's interesting how you stumble across something when you are researching something else. Or maybe she'll be an exception sometime in the future :)

Thank you again!!

When cleaning up profiles like this one, I often move unidentifiable Gedcoms and other problematic sources to a "See also" section as a courtesy to the members who added them, on the chance that they are someone else will see benefit in having this information about where profile content might have come from. Many early WikiTree profiles were sourced to Gedcoms that may have only existed on the computer of the person who contributed them, but sometimes the name of the Gedcom or its creator enables a WikiTreer to find the cited content and possibly get some useful information from it. Sooner or later, these "citations" can be discarded, but I don't like to do that until after we are pretty sure that there is no other information "out there" to be incorporated into the profile, nor any residual uncertainty about questions such as whether the person currently described in the profile is the one the original creator intended to describe.

The davenewman83 tree (which apparently contains two conflicting profiles for this woman) was the source for two different places of birth and for a birth date of about 1630. (I never figured out where the "date certain" of 1622 supposedly came from). The 1630 date is not plausible, given the marriage in 1640, so I felt no need to continue suggesting that she might have been born in 1630. As for the birthplace, I concluded that there is no conflict between the two locations davenew83 reported. The two birthplaces cited to his Tree were "Tuil, Gelderland, Dutch Republic" and "Neerijnen, Neerijnen, Gelderland, Dutch Republic." A little online investigation revealed that (1) modern-day Tuil and Neerijnen are villages that until very recently were both administratively within Gemeente Neerijnen, so those two place names were essentially different ways of designating the same local area, and (2) Buurmalsen (which is by rights the place we should identify as this girl's birthplace, based on her marriage record) is a village very close by. After seeing all that, I saw no need to treat davenewman83 as an authority, since her marriage place of Tuil and the indication that she was from Buurmalsen give us a rather good idea where she came from.

Because of that, I added this profile to the New Netherland Project as an "Ancestor" (and I cleared out some of the junk content such as Reusel de Mierden).

In the New Netherland project, we document people who lived in New Netherland by all of the name variants that people are likely to use in name searches, rather than just using "correct" spelling. Although Marijken did not make it to New Netherland, we will definitely want to keep "Maryken" (the spelling of her name that would be found in almost all U.S. sources) as one of her first name variants.

I agree that all of the name variants should be included, including "Tryntje."