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Clifford L. Stott found baptisms at St. Cuthbert, Wells, Somerset, England, 1621-1623/4 about children John, Stephen and William to a father Richard Samborne. The dates and order of those baptisms closely matched what was otherwise known about the immigrating grandsons of Rev. Stephen Bachiler (abt.1561-abt.1656). The boys' father, once WikiTree's "_____" Sanborne, published as probably John or William, even found in family files as John William Sanborne/Samborne/Sambourne, has been accepted as this Richard Samborne (Samborne-86). See Research Notes.
Biography
Richard Samborne was baptized in Timsbury, Somerset, England, 1579/80, the son of Richard Samborne and his wife, Anne Milborne.[1] Richard died before 1631/2 (his widow married again).
Richard married, before 1619 (baptism of child), as her first husband, Ann Bachiler. She was born about 1601, the daughter of Rev. Stephen Bachiler and his wife [Anne?] ____, possibly Anne Bate. Ann (Bachiler) Samborne married (2) in Strood, Kent, England, 20 January 1631/2, Henry Atkinson.[2]
Family
Richard and Ann (Bachiler) Samborne were the parents of three known children, baptized St. Cuthbert, Wells, Somerset, England,[3]
John Samborne, baptized 2 December 1619. Immigrant to New England.
Stephen Samborne, baptized 26 August 1621 Immigrant to New England, returned afterward to England, 1654.[4]
William Samborne, baptized 29 January 1623/4. Immigrant to New England.
Not John, William or John William Sanborn--a bibliographic chronology.
2022 - "Richard Samborne." Clifford L. Stott, FASG, "The English Ancestry and Royal Descent of John, Stephen, and William Sanborn/Samborne of Hampton, New Hampshire," The American Genealogist, 92 (2021/2022):1-16 (to be continued), at 2, 7.
1995 - "_____ Samborne." Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 1:61-69 (Stephen Bachiler) at 63 ; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
1991 - "_____ Samborne." George Freeman Sanborn, Jr., "Rev. Stephen Bachiler of Hampton: Some Additional Information" The New Hampshire Genealogical Record 8 (1-January 1991), reprinted with the same title; web content, Lane Memorial Library
1899 - as below. Victor Channing Sanborn, Genealogy of the family of Samborne or Sanborn in England and America, 2 vols. (Albany, N.Y.: Rumford Press/Joel Munsell & Sons, 1899)], 1:57 (Chart), 1:18; digital images, InternetArchive.
"William Sambourne." (1:57, Chart) proposed the boys' father was probably "William Samborne of Brimpton, Berks," son of Edward Samborne (c1550-____).
"John Sambourne." (1:18), "XV. John Sambourne, born about 1591, of whom we have no record. It is not impossible that he was the Sambourne who married Ann Bachiler, but proof is not found."
1897 - "John Samborne". Victor Channing Sanborn, "The First Sanborns of Hampton, NH," New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 51 (1897):57-64 at 57; digital images, Hathi Trust, "John, William and Stephen Samborne .... were sons of an English Samborne (presumably named John) ..."
1893 - "John Sanborn." Joseph Dow and Lucy Ellen Dow. History of the town of Hampton, New Hampshire, from its settlement in 1638 to the autumn of 1892, 2 vols., paginated continuously (Salem, Mass., Printed by the Salem press ..., 1893), 2 (biographical):943-961 (Sanborn) at 944; digital images, Hathi Trust, "John Sanborn, born in England, married ______, daughter of Rev. Stephen Bachiler, and died in his native country."
1860 - "John Sanborn." James Savage, A Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England Showing Three Generations of Those Who Came Before May, 1692, 4 vols. (Boston : Little, Brown and Company, 1860-1862), 4 (S-Z):11-13 (Sanborn/Samborne) at 11; digital images, Hathi Trust, "prob. to be s. of John."
1856 - "John ? Sanborn." Nathan Sanborn, M.D., "The Sanborn Family]," New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 10 (1856):271-282 at 271, 272; digital images, Hathi Trust, for "The first lineal ancestor of our family, of whom we possess any certain knowledge, was a Sanborn (tradition says his name was John), who married a daughter of Rev. Stephen Bachilor; had three sons and died in England ..."
Rev James Samborne. Victor Channing Sanborn, "The First Sanborns of Hampton, NH," New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 51 (1897):57-64 at 57; digital images, Hathi Trust, :"In the English Samborne family are several members either of whom may have been the husband of Anne Bachiler. Rev. James Samborne of Upper Clatford, Hants, the next parish to Wherwell, like Stephen Bachiler, was an Oxford man and a Puritan... In Basingstoke, Hants, near Wherwel, we find a John Samborne, Sergt-at-Mace in 1651. In Cholsey, Berks, twenty miles north of Wherwell, Richard Samborne had three children... [including] John of whom we find no further record.... Peter Samborne of London Bridge, goldsmith, had son Markley, b abt 1606.
Wife did not immigrate. An 1855 family bible entry published 200 years after the fact as "Sanborn Family Bible," in Connecticut Nutmegger, 41(2008):51. link for subscribers, may also be the source for the belief that his wife, Ann (Batchiler) Sanborn came to New England with her sons. But Robert Charles Anderson showed records that suggest otherwise.
Prior Version. A prior version of this profile included comments,
He may have been Sargent at Mace in Basingstoke in 1641 under his relative, George Baynard.[citation needed].
The first name of Ann (Bachiler) Sanborn's husband is not known. Some say he was either John or William and son of Edward Sambourne and his wife Ann (others say his mother was Margaret); but none of this has been proven, or it's been disproven).
Sources
↑ Clifford L. Stott, FASG, "The English Ancestry and Royal Descent of John, Stephen, and William Sanborn/Samborne of Hampton, New Hampshire," The American Genealogist, 92 (2021/2022):1-16 (to be continued), at 7.
↑ Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III 3 vols. (1995), 61-69 (Stephen Bachiler) at 63; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
↑ Citing "St. Cuthbert, Wells, Somerset, parish register, Somerset Archives & Local Studies [image, ancestry.com]," Clifford L. Stott, FASG, "The English Ancestry and Royal Descent of John, Stephen, and William Sanborn/Samborne of Hampton, New Hampshire," The American Genealogist, 92 (2021/2022):1-16 (to be continued), at 2, 7.
↑ Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III 3 vols. (1995), 61-69 at 67; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
See also:
John Sanborn; web content, The Morris Clan via WayBackMachine.
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Another Magna Carta connection as I continue my research:
Magna Carta Surety Richard de Clere: This line comes from Richard Samborne, husband of Anne Milborne. It goes through Brocas, Rogers, and finally de Lisle. The father of Margaret de Lisle, Sir John de Lisle, was the son and heir of John de Lisle and Margaret Bramshott. Margaret's mother was a de Lisle from a different branch, and the source of the connection to Richard de Clere.
I have been improving the profiles of several lines of our ancestor Richard Samborne and am very excited to bring some new news on some of what I have discovered.
There is one line which offers a connection to Magna Carta Surety Baron Robert de Ros. I say offers because I am certain that it is legitimate, however I must work hard to improve each profile within the high standards that must be maintained for sourcing, because the lines that I have discovered aren't fully covered by authors like Douglas Richardson or Gary Boyd Roberts because our ancestor hasn't been considered a Gateway Ancestor. Once he becomes one officially upon the publication of Stott's full research, I am certain that what I have found will be published as well over time.
I have done this before with one of my ancestors and it is very challenging.
Other lines that have not been developed here I have been working on you all will see and they are works in progress as I strive to present the most accurate sourcing possible. The use of memorials, inheritance and probate records are vital in filling in the blanks where Visitations are incomplete.
As you know, I'm also working to update some, but not all of the ancestral profiles. We may bump into each other along the way. I'm sure we will work things out that happens. --Gene
I have seen your work and I have no doubts that our shared work will only be a massively positive benefit to WikiTree. For non project profiles, it is much easier to add information and shape it gradually and there may be pieces that need a lot of refinement. I would much rather add information that I find quickly rather than not and have the sourcing slip away because my mind is not as sharp as it once was... getting old does that to you! Any edits that must be done are really appreciated, believe me!
We are in uncharted territory because there is a large gap in missing information as I said, undocumented by major authors of genealogical works now that will come to the forefront. Very exciting!
I laud your interest in getting data and sources added while the information is still fresh in your mind. When you have a lot you want to add and/or change, our suggestion would be to enter that information on a new Free Space Page. Once you have the info there, you can invite the profile managers and interested others to take a look and provide feedback. That way, both your need to add information quickly, and collaboration can both take place. We have utilized Free Space Pages very frequently for such situations. Here is a link to creating a free space page. https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?action=newspace
I was just talking about smaller pieces of information that I naturally come across, not a lot! I very rarely just add information without any context, sourcing and/or research notes, Sometimes a probate record can be a crucial bridge to an ancestor or a footnote could lead to an invaluable source that a Visitation doesn't include and that's what I was referring to. I do save larger information that needs sifting through for free space project pages, but for profiles I never try to bite off more than I can chew.
Assuming there are no objections, I plan to sever the parental association between now Richard Samborne and Edward Samborne (abt.1550-) on the basis of Stott's 2021-2022 work on the Samborne immigrant's parentage and ancestry. --Gene
Assuming there are no objections, I will work to update this profile for new information available as Clifford L. Stott, FASG, "The English Ancestry and Royal Descent of John, Stephen, and William Sanborn/Samborne of Hampton, New Hampshire," The American Genealogist 92 (2021/2022):1-16.
As below, might a Profile Manager update his LNAB to Samborne?
Our former "Unknown Sanborn" is identified as Richard Samborne, baptized Timsbury, Somerset, 1579/80. He married, as her first husband, Ann Bachiler. Richard and Ann are the parents of the three immigrant boys, below. (Will be entering baptismal records, as below, for the boys.)
See Clifford L. Stott, FASG, "The English Ancestry and Royal Descent of John, Stephen, and William Sanborn/Samborne of Hampton, New Hampshire," The American Genealogist 92 (2021/2022):1-16.
The following came into the PGM inbox but really belongs here:
"I note a number of apparent discrepancies with Sanborn-45. Most of the discrepancies show up from the book titled: "Batchelder, Batcheller Genealogy: Descendants of Rev. Stephen Bachiler of England," Page 109.
With this source, it shows the following "inconsistencies":
1. "John" WAS his first name.
2. His birth was in 1601, vice 1596.
3. His father was William Sanborne, though could have possibly been Edward. It is not crystal clear to me.
4. His mother's LNAB was Drew."
I can't even tell where that last big block of text came from, as well as the change in status of his first name. Should we revert the change, or try to vet and incorporate this new biography?
I thought you were looking for the source so you could rewrite in your own words with the source, I simply googled a section of the first sentence. Maybe you can check the change page to see who put it there, but it could have been there for years, or appeared in a merge and hard to find.
:) I should have made the target of my rage clearer. I was referring to the guy who did the copy-plop of the big block of unedited, unsourced, text yesterday.
Generation Eight
44. John8 Samborne (Edward, #65) I would really like to see some source information for this connection;427,428 born circa 1579 at Harriard, Hampshire, England; John Sanborn. Internet source needs to be verified;429 baptized 1600; "6. v. Ann, b 1601 m. John Sanborn. The husband of Anne Bachiler, bapt 1600, was one of the Hampshire Samborne's, descended from Nicholas, son of Walter and Margaret (Drew) Samborne of Southcot in Berks, from whom also descended the Samborne's of Timsbury in Somerset;"430 married Anne Bachiler (see #45), daughter of Stephen Bachiler Rev and Ann Bate, circa 1620;431,432 died circa 1630 at England.433
"The husband of Anne Bachiler, bapt 1600, was one of the Hampshire Sambornes, descended from Nicholas, son of Walter and Margaret (Drew) Samborne of Southcot in Berks, from whom also descended the Sambornes of Timsbury and Somerset.."434 He was also known as William Samborne "probably William of Brimpton, Berks).435 He was also known as John Sanborn.436
Children of John8 Samborne and Anne Bachiler (see #45) were as follows:
28. i. Lieutenant John7.
ii. William;437,438 born circa 1622 at England.439
iii. Steven;440,441 died at England?
45. Anne8 Bachiler (Stephen, #67);442,443,444 died at England; born 1601 at Wherwell, Hampshire, England;445,446 married John Samborne (see #44), son of Edward Samborne and Elizabeth Jennett, circa 1620;447,448 married Henry Atkinson 20 Jan 1620/21 at Strood, Kent, England.449
Magna Carta Surety Richard de Clere: This line comes from Richard Samborne, husband of Anne Milborne. It goes through Brocas, Rogers, and finally de Lisle. The father of Margaret de Lisle, Sir John de Lisle, was the son and heir of John de Lisle and Margaret Bramshott. Margaret's mother was a de Lisle from a different branch, and the source of the connection to Richard de Clere.
There is one line which offers a connection to Magna Carta Surety Baron Robert de Ros. I say offers because I am certain that it is legitimate, however I must work hard to improve each profile within the high standards that must be maintained for sourcing, because the lines that I have discovered aren't fully covered by authors like Douglas Richardson or Gary Boyd Roberts because our ancestor hasn't been considered a Gateway Ancestor. Once he becomes one officially upon the publication of Stott's full research, I am certain that what I have found will be published as well over time.
I have done this before with one of my ancestors and it is very challenging.
Magna Carta Surety Robert de Ros: This line is straightforward and It comes from Richard Samborne, husband of Anne Milborne. It goes through Brocas, Rogers, and finally de Lisle. The mother of Margaret de Lisle, Anne Botreaux, was the daughter and heir of John Botreaux, whose (possible) grandfather William Botreaux, married Elizabeth Daubeney.
Other lines that have not been developed here I have been working on you all will see and they are works in progress as I strive to present the most accurate sourcing possible. The use of memorials, inheritance and probate records are vital in filling in the blanks where Visitations are incomplete.
Darrell E. Larocque
As you know, I'm also working to update some, but not all of the ancestral profiles. We may bump into each other along the way. I'm sure we will work things out that happens. --Gene
We are in uncharted territory because there is a large gap in missing information as I said, undocumented by major authors of genealogical works now that will come to the forefront. Very exciting!
Darrell
I laud your interest in getting data and sources added while the information is still fresh in your mind. When you have a lot you want to add and/or change, our suggestion would be to enter that information on a new Free Space Page. Once you have the info there, you can invite the profile managers and interested others to take a look and provide feedback. That way, both your need to add information quickly, and collaboration can both take place. We have utilized Free Space Pages very frequently for such situations. Here is a link to creating a free space page. https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?action=newspace
Thank you!
Darrell
edited by Darrell Larocque
Our former "Unknown Sanborn" is identified as Richard Samborne, baptized Timsbury, Somerset, 1579/80. He married, as her first husband, Ann Bachiler. Richard and Ann are the parents of the three immigrant boys, below. (Will be entering baptismal records, as below, for the boys.)
See Clifford L. Stott, FASG, "The English Ancestry and Royal Descent of John, Stephen, and William Sanborn/Samborne of Hampton, New Hampshire," The American Genealogist 92 (2021/2022):1-16.
This Richard is then otherwise Richard^A Samborne (Richard^B, John^C, Nicholas^D). Nicholas^D Samborne (c1460-1506) married Elizabeth Brocas, daughter of Ann Rogers married John Brocas. This Ann Rogers (died 1492), given as the daughter of John Rogers, Lord of Freefolk, Hampshire, died 1485, married (1) Margaret (Margery) Lisle.
Edited to add: Done.
edited by GeneJ X
"I note a number of apparent discrepancies with Sanborn-45. Most of the discrepancies show up from the book titled: "Batchelder, Batcheller Genealogy: Descendants of Rev. Stephen Bachiler of England," Page 109.
https://books.google.com/books?id=6qcxAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
With this source, it shows the following "inconsistencies": 1. "John" WAS his first name. 2. His birth was in 1601, vice 1596. 3. His father was William Sanborne, though could have possibly been Edward. It is not crystal clear to me. 4. His mother's LNAB was Drew."
Jillaine, I remember when we worked on this way back when. Good memories, good thoughts.--Gene
https://books.google.com/books?id=YpMeAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA271&lpg=PA271&dq=who+married+a+daughter+of+Rev.+Stephen+Bachilor;+had+3+sons+%26+died+in+England,+leaving+the+widow+%26+her+sons+to+the+care+of+her+father.+Mr.+Bachilor+was+born+in+England+about+1561&source=bl&ots=WTmjsKYmz3&sig=ACfU3U2g_BYooUp5hz60TAhLNnhEOgtF9A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-vLXfpN7oAhXHm-AKHdwWAhIQ6AEwAXoECAwQMQ#v=onepage&q=who%20married%20a%20daughter%20of%20Rev.%20Stephen%20Bachilor%3B%20had%203%20sons%20%26%20died%20in%20England%2C%20leaving%20the%20widow%20%26%20her%20sons%20to%20the%20care%20of%20her%20father.%20Mr.%20Bachilor%20was%20born%20in%20England%20about%201561&f=false
<ref> Sanborn, Nathan; Hensiker, M.D., "The Sanborn Family," NEHGR Vol. 10:271</ref>
Perhaps the original poster would like to summarize that paragraph in his own words, then cite the NEHGR article? (nudge, nudge)
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Generation Eight 44. John8 Samborne (Edward, #65) I would really like to see some source information for this connection;427,428 born circa 1579 at Harriard, Hampshire, England; John Sanborn. Internet source needs to be verified;429 baptized 1600; "6. v. Ann, b 1601 m. John Sanborn. The husband of Anne Bachiler, bapt 1600, was one of the Hampshire Samborne's, descended from Nicholas, son of Walter and Margaret (Drew) Samborne of Southcot in Berks, from whom also descended the Samborne's of Timsbury in Somerset;"430 married Anne Bachiler (see #45), daughter of Stephen Bachiler Rev and Ann Bate, circa 1620;431,432 died circa 1630 at England.433
"The husband of Anne Bachiler, bapt 1600, was one of the Hampshire Sambornes, descended from Nicholas, son of Walter and Margaret (Drew) Samborne of Southcot in Berks, from whom also descended the Sambornes of Timsbury and Somerset.."434 He was also known as William Samborne "probably William of Brimpton, Berks).435 He was also known as John Sanborn.436
Children of John8 Samborne and Anne Bachiler (see #45) were as follows:
28. i. Lieutenant John7. ii. William;437,438 born circa 1622 at England.439 iii. Steven;440,441 died at England? 45. Anne8 Bachiler (Stephen, #67);442,443,444 died at England; born 1601 at Wherwell, Hampshire, England;445,446 married John Samborne (see #44), son of Edward Samborne and Elizabeth Jennett, circa 1620;447,448 married Henry Atkinson 20 Jan 1620/21 at Strood, Kent, England.449